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It's ridiculous not to accept changes and adapt to the future. It's the only way to survive in any business.

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Originally posted by PoisonJam19 .. It's kind of like, "I hope you're all having fun watching me stare at my computer screen." For all we know he could just be doing his taxes on there or something...

big l0l on that one

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Originally posted by Demoted Shouldn't you be partying with people, making out with slutty club whores, and having a good time instead of just looking at the dj as he puts on a record or inserts a cd? The quality of the music matters, not the way it's made. ...n00b...

doing sets like pvd does, shouldnt be that way. its like; fucking a dead body isnt sex either .. then youre a necro

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Originally posted by Clovis86 Whats more is that the quality of an ableton mix can far exceed the quality of a CD/vinyl mix.

vinyl will always be the best quality. always. but its how you process the signals, that can make a difference

and btw, im not saying ableton sucks (or whatever), the better the mix, the better the party ..

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Originally posted by ThaMaestro vinyl will always be the best quality. always. but its how you process the signals, that can make a difference and btw, im not saying ableton sucks (or whatever), the better the mix, the better the party ..

I dunno...my wav files dont have any clicks in them from running over dust.

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Originally posted by Clovis86 I dunno...my wav files dont have any clicks in them from running over dust.

thats true, a well known fact. since wav files are digital, they dont suffer from wear, like vinyls do. but the groove in a vinyl is like a combination of (co)sinus, and a wav file is digital, where that (co)sinus track is mastered into little pieces. (im dutch, i dont know the right english words to explain this 100% clear for those who dont understand me, sorry for that) .. anyway, the smaller those pieces the better the wav starts to look like a real vinyl groove/(co)sine, but it will never get the same 'looks' ... for those who are english, and know what i mean, please try to explain my thoughts a bit better, since this might be a bit vague to those who dont understand me

the expression you're looking for is sampling rate.. i think.

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Originally posted by alpha84 the expression you're looking for is sampling rate.. i think.

indeed, that's 1 one of the things i mean thnx !

Is sound quality really that important at a party, I never go into a club and see a giant mob of audiophiles saying anything about sound quality, unless it is really really bad. The only people who ever really obsess about this issue are people who are trying to advocate their side over the other.

The performance issue I think is more valid than the sound quality argument, most people reach a point where they cannot tell the sound sources apart unless they listen to them in a side by side comparison. If you are spoiled enough to make an issue because you have done such comparisons then you are probably spoiled enough to be able to throw your own damn party. Audiophiles are just spoiled people who can teach themselves to hate cheap sound equipment, and there aren't really that many of them hanging around these parties that we go to. The number of times this topic comes up is way out of proportion with the amount of people who are that hypersensitive to sound quality at a party.

I don't think that the perfomance argument is very important either. Parties aren't about DJ performances, they are about what the people in the crowd are doing. DJ's arent supposed to be the center of attention hoisted up on a grand stage for everyone to watch, they are supposed to sit in the corner and be ignored while the kids dance with each other. Sure you have a little bit of interaction but they aren't rock stars that you sit in front of and watch them entertain you, the crowd is what entertains you at a party, so why should it matter that the dj looks like he is checking his email, stop looking at the guy.

I think reducing the DJ's role as a spectacle is the best side affect of using ableton.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 Is sound quality really that important at a party, I never go into a club and see a giant mob of audiophiles saying anything about sound quality, unless it is really really bad. The only people who ever really obsess about this issue are people who are trying to advocate their side over the other. The performance issue I think is more valid than the sound quality argument, most people reach a point where they cannot tell the sound sources apart unless they listen to them in a side by side comparison. If you are spoiled enough to make an issue because you have done such comparisons then you are probably spoiled enough to be able to throw your own damn party. Audiophiles are just spoiled people who can teach themselves to hate cheap sound equipment, and there aren't really that many of them hanging around these parties that we go to. The number of times this topic comes up is way out of proportion with the amount of people who are that hypersensitive to sound quality at a party. I don't think that the perfomance argument is very important either. Parties aren't about DJ performances, they are about what the people in the crowd are doing. DJ's arent supposed to be the center of attention hoisted up on a grand stage for everyone to watch, they are supposed to sit in the corner and be ignored while the kids dance with each other. Sure you have a little bit of interaction but they aren't rock stars that you sit in front of and watch them entertain you, the crowd is what entertains you at a party, so why should it matter that the dj looks like he is checking his email, stop looking at the guy. I think reducing the DJ's role as a spectacle is the best side affect of using ableton.

your right on that, i agree. but i was talking about the quality of music on the most literally way of speaking. i wasnt talking about the quality of the party. i like it when dj's use (more) side effects on a set/in a club, because itsan extra. i agree on you man, but im definately not trying to 'advocate my side over the other'.

I didn't mean to sound hostile, as far as music enjoyment goes I think it depends more on the person using the tool than the tool that is used. I like to think that digital has less limits but it also has more predictable behaviour, and often beautiful sounds are caused by unpredicted accidents. So while more things are possible on a computer it is less likely that something unpredicted will cause a plesing sound the way it happens on analog media.

My opinion leans more towards computers but I am a bit biased because of my job aspirations. I will still appreciate a good vinyl set any day.

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