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Posted by Nemesis44 on Jan-12-2006 14:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_Blue
well what key is "another way" at 134 BPM? well, lemme bust out the calculator, the pencil and paper, let me write down the quadratic equation of pi, bring down the 1.... subtract 7 from 18... and... it's too much bullshit, imo.

Probably C minor given that you will have to change the pitch about 5%. Don't need a calculator for that either. There are some simple rules that will teach you to deal with this without having to bust out the calculator, plus knowing your tunes goes a long way.

Major and Minor is important in the sense that you can get some really clangerous results. However the majority of trance music is mostly in minor so it's not much of an issue.

The Mix from C minor to D# minor can be used to great effect and will give you a great lift of energy, whilst there are certain types transitions that wont work with it.

There is also no such note as Fb (F flat) as there is no space between E and F in the chromatic scale.

Will update later.

Cheers
Nem

Posted by Nemesis44 on Jan-12-2006 14:51:

quote:
Originally posted by sm44
I have a real quick question about harmonic mixing. i know if u speed a record up 5.612...% it goes up a key. So if i had 2 records both in C and 100BPM, however one was pitched to 105BPM and the other was 106BPM, they would be in different keys right? I know they wouldnt be beatmatched just using a bad example. Sorry if confusing.

No they wouldn't be different keys, what you have to think more in terms of is if there is more than 5.6 percent difference between the two tracks you are playing. As both in this case would be increased by a similar amount you would still be within the realms of what will work.
You may get the effect of a Detune but they would still be pretty similar in key, enough to be mixed together if you don't take the bpm into account.

Cheers
Nem

Posted by trancecadet on Jan-12-2006 16:18:

this is exactly what I was after since I found the sticky quite unhelpful.

Cheers Nbrablec9 because alot of my questions have been answered here

Posted by Nbrablec9 on Jan-12-2006 16:53:

Hey, thanks for the Help everyone , but i do have one more question.. Isnt major and minor somewhat important? I was reading this chart -- http://www.harmonic-mixing.com/charts/keychart.mv
and by the looks of it, major and minor is somewhat needed? Just wondering. I know you were saying that its heard by ear, but would you consider the darker deeper side of the key board to be one or the other ...happy. for the higher , sad for lower...

Posted by Nbrablec9 on Jan-12-2006 16:54:

Posted by Nbrablec9 on Jan-12-2006 17:51:

My bad im on wireless laptop..I hit enter an it posted it twice

Posted by Zild on Jan-12-2006 18:41:

99% of EDM is in a minor key.

Posted by Omega_Blue on Jan-12-2006 21:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Nemesis44
Probably C minor given that you will have to change the pitch about 5%. Don't need a calculator for that either. There are some simple rules that will teach you to deal with this without having to bust out the calculator, plus knowing your tunes goes a long way.

Major and Minor is important in the sense that you can get some really clangerous results. However the majority of trance music is mostly in minor so it's not much of an issue.

The Mix from C minor to D# minor can be used to great effect and will give you a great lift of energy, whilst there are certain types transitions that wont work with it.

There is also no such note as Fb (F flat) as there is no space between E and F in the chromatic scale.

Will update later.

Cheers
Nem

right... just using random notes as examples

Posted by est on Jan-13-2006 00:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Nbrablec9
Hey, thanks for the Help everyone , but i do have one more question.. Isnt major and minor somewhat important? I was reading this chart --
and by the looks of it, major and minor is somewhat needed? Just wondering. I know you were saying that its heard by ear, but would you consider the darker deeper side of the key board to be one or the other ...happy. for the higher , sad for lower...
If this makes any sense to you

Thanks ,
Nick

Don't think of major/minor keys as 'different sides of the keyboard' - they are just different keys that have the same tonic. Be wary of definitions like 'major keys are happy and higher, minor keys are sadder and lower': there are many examples of major key tunes that are played on low notes, or are not uplifting at all, and minor key tunes that reflect happy feelings e.t.c. The best way to tell the difference it to listen to a few of each and you will hear the difference (Pete Heller's Big Love = major; BBE 7 days 1 week = minor). Somebody posted the scales, which are worth listening to, along with some tunes, and you will soon hear the difference.

A key is like a family of musical notes. After hundereds of years of classical music and harmony rules, we have basically become accustomed to hearing certain keys next to each other (however, the whole system is incredibly mathematical). We tend to like the sound of keys that share a lot of the same notes. Each major key has a relative minor key that shares all the same notes in the key signature: that's why they sound good mixed together.

I learned this through years of Bach harmony school, but there is a system called 'Easymix'. I think this would be useful, but can anybody confirm this?

The idea is that you mix tunes that are next to each other on the wheel. e.g. If you are in D-flat minor, mixing in to a tune in Emajor, A-flat minor, or F-sharp minor (or another D-flat, of course!) will sound good. As for keying tunes, if you can learn to do this yourself, you'll be off to a good start in terms of understanding harmony/music theory in general.

Hope that helps!

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