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Originally posted by Jayx1 he has said repeatedly he would NOT open the debate on this. This is just liberal smearing and you fell for it.

Im just beeing cautious- that's all. People are entiteled to their own opinions. I'm just not happy to have a leader who has such believs.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Many Liberals are also on record as saying this and some liberals even introduced private members bills on abortion. Why was this never an issue with theM?

I think it has to do with official party platforms.

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Originally posted by Skipper A siginificant number of Conservative MPs have gone on record stating their anti-abortion views.

The most ardently anti-choice MP's are Liberals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Wappel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberals_for_Life

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Originally posted by EvilTree ^And if abortion is ever put to bill, it'll be defeated by most libs, BQ, NDP and more centre Conservatives who might even bolt to Libs if Harper forces the issue.

Harper is young and patient and will ride out the minority until he can win a majority. That's when we will see this coming to the forefront.

There are also a number of liberal MPs who have gone on record stating they are pro-life. The percentage of the liberal party who is pro-life is lower than that of the conservative party though.

I'm not refusing to acknowledge that the pro-lifers spread across all parties - however, Harper refused to state his viewpoint on the issue during the election, and for good reason - he is clearly pro-life and can enact change and influence others much quicker and ebtter than individual MPs can.

The fact that abortion was even raised as an election issue is concerning - at this point, a country as progressive as Canada should not have to worry about taking a step back like this!

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Originally posted by Skipper he is clearly pro-life and can enact change and influence others much quicker and ebtter than individual MPs can.

I agree with everything you wrote except that. Harper is known to be pro-choice. The reason why he doesn't talk about it is...

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The fact that abortion was even raised as an election issue is concerning - at this point, a country as progressive as Canada should not have to worry about taking a step back like this!

...that right there. He sees it as a settled issue. Harper led the charge to explicitly exclude abortion from the CPC policy book. Harper doesn't want to alienate social conservative voters by advertising his pro-choice position.

It was Martin that talked about abortion during the election, trying to scare people.

On the most important abortion vote in a decade, Harper abstained.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/2/parlbus/...1-E.htm#Div-235

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Originally posted by Wyndham Liberals will hopefully have smartened the fuck up, cleaned up, and will be back in office....so lets see what harper can do!

I agree, but I also think that the scandels the Canadian Liberals have gotten involved with are nothing compared to some on going and developing scandels the U.S. Conservatives ( Republicans ) are involved with such as a multi trillion debt, an unpopular war, the Abramoff Bribe Your Congressman scam, Illegal Domestic Spying Without Court Warrents( that included a Quaker Church in Florida - like they have any Al-Queda links ), Pat Robertsons Diamond Mining Scandel, and the fact that Karl Rove and other top Republican officials are still being investigated for treason ( the outing of a CIA agent who disagreed with the reasons for war in Iraq ).
Issue for issue I think the Liberal party is the best for Canada, but I would like to see them do a better job policing thier own party, and get tougher on welfare abuse, and crime ( including reducing the juvenile offender age to 13 ).
As for the Conservatives, I would bet they rack up some scandels of their own including accepting bribes from multi-national corporations, messing up the public health care system, being made a puppet of the Bush administration like Tony Blair, bad environmental policies, pulling back from Global Warming Treaties, and after all that and a drop in approval ratings using the Gay Marriage wedge to shore up their support by trying to get all the bigot support.
They really don't give a fuck about the sanctity of marriage since I never hear them talking about lowering the 50% divorce rate. Polititians usually use bigotry when they lack real issues to sway voters.

I think this election was devisive & bad for Canada, but I hope the Conservatives proved me wrong. I am glad they are a minority government because personally I would not trust them with too much power. This election was also opposite to a widespread trend in Western Countries where almost every country in Latin America is moving to the left partially as a backlash against the U.S,and also as a backlash against the lack of a sizable middle class in most of those countries.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf I agree with everything you wrote except that. Harper is known to be pro-choice.

Source?

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf The reason why he doesn't talk about it is... Harper doesn't want to alienate social conservative voters by advertising his pro-choice position.

And that folks is the reason he will not take a public position. The man really has to walk a tight rope to hold that party together.... it covers such a wide swath of the political spectrum that any issue that inspires polarity will be one with potential to divide the party, Harper's job is to prevent that.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard And that folks is the reason he will not take a public position. The man really has to walk a tight rope to hold that party together.... it covers such a wide swath of the political spectrum that any issue that inspires polarity will be one with potential to divide the party, Harper's job is to prevent that.

Even if Conservatives pull a majority in the future and Harper does push for anti abortion laws, it will inevitably backlash in future election because it is such a dynamite issue and quite a lot of Canadians, including a lot of Conservatives are pro choice.

IMO this is one of few things that means political suicide for Harper.
It may also be one of few issues that may cause Conservative MPs to bolt for the other side.

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Originally posted by Shamen DJ's As for the Conservatives, I would bet they rack up some scandels of their own including accepting bribes from multi-national corporations, messing up the public health care system, being made a puppet of the Bush administration like Tony Blair, bad environmental policies, pulling back from Global Warming Treaties, and after all that and a drop in approval ratings using the Gay Marriage wedge to shore up their support by trying to get all the bigot support. They really don't give a fuck about the sanctity of marriage since I never hear them talking about lowering the 50% divorce rate. Polititians usually use bigotry when they lack real issues to sway voters. I think this election was devisive & bad for Canada, but I hope the Conservatives proved me wrong. I am glad they are a minority government because personally I would not trust them with too much power.

I dont know how u can "bet" the conservatives are gonna rack up some scandles. They campaigned on cleanin up government, and thats why they were elected. lol bribes? common stop pullin stuff outta the air, what evidence do you have? Messing up health care?? You think its in a good state currently? Hopefully someone finally does something other than tossing more money into the pit, yes i support 2 tier. .GOOD ARTICLE. Bad environmental policies? Kyoto isn't that great of a policy and harper has said he will come up with a better plan that suits canada, not just pull out of kyoto and do NOTHING. Gay marriage should be put to a free vote, it should have been done like that in the first place. Biggot votes? I think marriage should be the traditional defination, but im not against gays, this is the way most people feel, it does not mean "anit-gay". Martin was actually against gay marriage as well before he flipflopped just to let u know. All these issues you are talking about are just BS run by the liberals through the media...what facts do you have that they are gonna fuck up all this stuff?? Its just more smear tactics, but i guess thats to be expected considering the campaign they choose to run.

this election was very very good for canada, the liberals will now clean themselves up because they have been now forced to do so after 12 years. I don't know how you say you can't trust the conservatives, when they haven't done anything wrong or lied at all... but apparently you can trust the liberals? with a majority? and look what happened.

this election was great for the country, we have a new party to test out and see what they can do... and we also have the party that many consider the best choice (as far as policies go) being forced to regroup because they now know canadians wont tolerate the shit they've done with the power they've held for so long. Not much can be done in 2 years with a minority governemtn, but it will give us a proper glimpse of what harper is really like, and i think he'll do good.

either way.. harper does good.. great.. harper does bad..a new liberal government is back in power...also good

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Originally posted by Skipper The way he's stated this though has left it open for a member of parliament to raise the issue for it to be voted on in the house of commons. If he is in power long enough, the issue will be re-visited. A siginificant number of Conservative MPs have gone on record stating their anti-abortion views. Newman: On the issue of abortion, will you pledge that there will be no legislation on abortion, there will never be a free vote in Parliament on that issue? Harper: Never is a long time. What I'm saying is I have no desire to see that issue debated in the near future.

yeah, all he has stated is that he won't introduce any legislation on the issue...while that means not attempting to ban it, it also means not further protecting it either.

he's very diplomatically sidestepped taking a firm stance either way...so as not to piss off pro-choicers while also appeasing his more staunch right-wing, religious supporters.

I'd guess 2 years, tops...depends on the Liberal leadership status and how well the parties work together.

I was listening to a radio talkshow in a cab today and one caller mentioned that in a minority government, a lot more positive things tend to get done because all parties are normally in agreement of the things that do pass.
Interesting perspective and I hope a true one...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I was listening to a radio talkshow in a cab today and one caller mentioned that in a minority government, a lot more positive things tend to get done because all parties are normally in agreement of the things that do pass. Interesting perspective and I hope a true one...

Also on the other hand, a lot less things get done because there is so much debates and negotiations going around.

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Originally posted by EvilTree Also on the other hand, a lot less things get done because there is so much debates and negotiations going around.

Isn't debate and negotiation the sign of a healthy democracy?

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Originally posted by baystreetboi Isn't debate and negotiation the sign of a healthy democracy?

Well, there are plus and minus to both.

I'm just a bit peeve as I believe that parliamentary process to pass the bill takes way too long even under a majority govt.

I'm surprised that any bill gets passed sometimes

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Originally posted by EvilTree Let's also keep in mind that personal morals do not necessarily reflect on a politician's will to impose it on others. Harper has his views. That's fine. But I think he realizes that he cannot try to force it on others without severe backlash. As for Canadian military, just this week new rotation of 2000 left for Kandahar and this is a firm commitment in Afghanistan for a while. Even if Canadian public wants CAF in Iraq, (and it won't, unless Harper wants to commit political suicide) CDS and top generals will tell him that this is unsustainable. At least until the army grows enough to sustain 2 large ops at once.

maybe that's what the 5 bil in military funding is for ?

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Originally posted by dEsidEL maybe that's what the 5 bil in military funding is for ?

It's not just money. It's also taking time to build the military infrastructure to train and equip the increase in soldiers and you can't do those things overnight, esp. instructors to train the recruits and further leaders to lead the soldiers.

I think it would be great if the people who voted convervative and their children are the first to go to Iran when the impending war starts this year.

People should open their eyes and see whats going on in their world.

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Originally posted by hexnix I think it would be great if the people who voted convervative and their children are the first to go to Iran when the impending war starts this year. People should open their eyes and see whats going on in their world.

And since when did voting conservative mean going in every war?

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Originally posted by hexnix I think it would be great if the people who voted convervative and their children are the first to go to Iran when the impending war starts this year. People should open their eyes and see whats going on in their world.

if you think iran is not a fully international problem then i'd say u really need to open your eyes. You think country's should not help take care of a man who wants to destory isreal? wants to acquire nukes? tells people the holocaust is a myth lol (not just exaggerated, A MYTH) amoung other things. i've been following whats goin on there for the last few years... and if the russian deal doens't go through, its going to the security council and who from there..etc..etc.. so if it happens it will be an international effort this time, unlike iraq. I can understand being against canada going into iraq, but this is not going along the same path. I suggest you open your eyes, or at least read a bit more.

lol maybe harper will just have canada invade iran by itself since hes such a war mongering evil bush puppet?

haha heres the latest out of iran... "we can put Israel in 'eternal coma like Sharon'"

Try reading something outside the realm of your daily conservative newspaper.

I suggest you read up on the 03.06 Iran Oil Bourse that is in the works. Iran definitely will be a problem to the **Western world**.

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Originally posted by hexnix I think it would be great if the people who voted convervative and their children are the first to go to Iran when the impending war starts this year. People should open their eyes and see whats going on in their world.

The Liberals just sent 2000 troops to afghanistan right before they were kicked out.

Where is the outcry over that??

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Originally posted by hexnix Try reading something outside the realm of your daily conservative newspaper. I suggest you read up on the 03.06 Iran Oil Bourse that is in the works. Iran definitely will be a problem to the **Western world**.

any info plz?
All I find are German sites.

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Originally posted by fayraree Three words: Viva Lifetime VIP.

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