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Originally posted by MarkT 23 pounds of muscle in less than 4 months?!? that's damn near impossible for the bulk of the population...you must have some serious workout/diet/genetics to pull that off!

yeah i work hard, 3-4 times a week, and quiting smoking also has major role. and eaitng right, i havent had junk food or pop since that time frame. You have to eat like a pig basically, but all the good food in right proportions.

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Originally posted by MLB yeah i work hard, 3-4 times a week, and quiting smoking also has major role. and eaitng right, i havent had junk food or pop since that time frame. You have to eat like a pig basically, but all the good food in right proportions.

What?
Like 3 eggs cartons and 2 Chickens in the morning
3 Cows for lunch and one pail of protein powder for dinner?? (Throw in little yellow chicks for equally spaced meals!)

Damn man...that's a LOT of beef to be putting on in a short time span.
Kutos to you but I really got to know what the hell you did...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r What? Like 3 eggs cartons and 2 Chickens in the morning 3 Cows for lunch and one pail of protein powder for dinner?? (Throw in little yellow chicks for equally spaced meals!) Damn man...that's a LOT of beef to be putting on in a short time span. Kutos to you but I really got to know what the hell you did...

Morning:
Egg whites,Oatmeal,raisins.

Snack:
2-3 Fruits(banana,apple and orange)+ Protein shake

Lunch:
Chicken Breast ,Rice + salad

Break:
Protein shake, maybe something high in carbs like raisans or salads

Dinner:
Something high in protein like chicken beef and potatoes

Night time:
A shake maybe, depending on my stomach

Make sure you take right multi vitamins, I am taking those as well as Creatine (dietary Supplements called NOk2 ) and even Omega 3 swupplements , try working around susbsitues whatever suites your body

It all even depends on body type and lenght height etc, for me that was possible because i am tall as is, the other thing i quit smoking, so i gained muscle mass, but i have not grown a inch on waistline, infact its a little flatter now.

And MOST IMPORTANTLY you have to excersise right i am doing almost close to 3 sets in 1 hr of excersise.

anyhow hope that helped, but find out whats right for your body size,weight,fat etc, the counseller and trainer will work with you pay attention and concentrate while excersising and DIG DEEP, even if your tired, kill it BACK!

oh yeah make sure you buy good protein shakes (meal replacements) i buy myoplex, excellent!

well also no partying and no drinking also helps, so yeah, not impossible, nothing is impossible, just unstoppable with the right mind set.

23lbs in 3 months....?

Seriously...That's what professional bodybuilders gain, but they dedicate the 3 months to training.

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Originally posted by OrZonE 23lbs in 3 months....? Seriously...That's what professional bodybuilders gain, but they dedicate the 3 months to training.

uh huh...

as i said buddy just put ur mind to it.

i started at 160 lbs now i am 183 lbs

Don't make assumption that you have gained 23lbs of pure muscle mass. Have you had a BF% calculated at the beggining and compare w/ you BF% now? If you did, and it lowered in some definite proportion, I'll gladly eat my words

...and putting "your mind to it" has nothing to do with it, buddy. Some people's genetics don't allow them to gain muscle mass that fast without chemical intrusion, but if you did good for you.

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Originally posted by OrZonE Don't make assumption that you have gained 23lbs of pure muscle mass. Have you had a BF% calculated at the beggining and compare w/ you BF% now? If you did, and it lowered in some definite proportion, I'll gladly eat my words ...and putting "your mind to it" has nothing to do with it, buddy. Some people's genetics don't allow them to gain muscle mass that fast without chemical intrusion, but if you did good for you.

uh hello i am not making a assumption...

dude, wtf do u want me to do show you my stats, my body fat was 24% now is 20%

ok whatever you say, dont be condescending plz

do whatever you have to just dont make any assumptions abt me, you dont even know me and you have no idea what i have been doing, so shut ur pie hole k? thx .

uh man, talk abt degrading your motivation. if you think all that, then why dont you become a trainer and train me??

You arent even a nutrition counseller, geez, what other arguement do you have other than "Assumption"??

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Originally posted by MLB train

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker

sorry abt that, just got me pissed off.

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Originally posted by MLB

COngratulations dude. Sounded farfetched, that's all.

yay for getting pissed off on the internet!

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Originally posted by OrZonE yay for getting pissed off on the internet!

LOL. Honestly now. This stuff is hilarious. Makes me laugh every morning when I get to work. You guys rock!

23 lbs in 3 months.... NOT all muscle. sorry. just not gonna happen... maybe if you were juicing. Definately not natural. Just wont happen. sorry.

and what bs are you saying about 3 sets in an hour? so itll take you like 4 hours to do one workout? You should be in and out of the gym in an hour or you are doing something wrong.



Diet is important. (cut the alcohol etc). 5-6 meals a day. Right portion size.

Re: Personal Training...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I bit the bullet yesterday and made my first downpayment; I start on a 12 week journey (a New Year's resolution *cough*) next Friday. I know some of you are personal trainers (very cool btw ) but I wanted to ask those that might have actually gone through the process of hiring one. What are your experiences? I'm nervous and excited at the same time because I know what the results will be but it's the process that sucks... I guess that's why only great destinations require a long journey....(or some cliche like that...)

Good luck, just keep motivated, keep going, soon you will be in love with the results of how your body looks and more importantly how you feel. In fact, the journey is amazing, from where you start to where you end up. Dont fret.

As for what to look for in a trainer, some simple rules you should follow.

What certifications and training do they have?
Personality?
References, Fees?
Do they offer other services, diet advice, etc?

Best of luck.

possible questions you can ask to test your trainer.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/matt99.htm

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Originally posted by ChrisD possible questions you can ask to test your trainer. http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/matt99.htm

Thanks for the link!

The pain starts in T-Minus 2 days...

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Originally posted by MLB swupplements

he is starting to sound like tyson already.

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Originally posted by Euphorica 23 lbs in 3 months.... NOT all muscle. sorry. just not gonna happen... maybe if you were juicing. Definately not natural. Just wont happen. sorry. and what bs are you saying about 3 sets in an hour? so itll take you like 4 hours to do one workout? You should be in and out of the gym in an hour or you are doing something wrong. Diet is important. (cut the alcohol etc). 5-6 meals a day. Right portion size.

Exactly what I was thinking. Dude's gotta be juicing if he 'gained' 23lbs of 'muscle' in 3 months.

But Monish, good for you man. Keep up the training!

Speaking from a trainer's point of view, be honest with your trainer. You may think they'll be easier on you, which they will, but it's not going to benefit you in the least and you'll be disappointed in your results (or lack thereof). They're supposed to push you to your personal limit, and every day is different. If you're feeling down, you won't lift what you did last time when you slept great and ate well. If you feel like superman, train like superman and your trainer will adjust the weights accordingly. Nutrition is one-third the equation of losing body fat and/or gaining lean weight. Cardio and weights make up the rest. So don't jip yourself on any of it. Cardio is boring, but should be done on your own time. Don't let your trainer convince you it's "good for your program". That's a time waster for them to make you sweat and seem like you've worked harder. Plus, the bosses push them to sell, sell, sell and make you guys dependant on them. So bring a notebook and write EVERYTHING down! From form and names, to sets/reps and weight. There is such a thing as "active rests", but there's a time and a place for that. Supersetting and drop-setting is geared more for the intermediate/advanced weight lifters. It's tough. Suck it up and give it your all. You'll be an S&M superstar by the end

Happy soreness!

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Originally posted by Euphorica maybe if you were juicing.

ftw...

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Originally posted by MLB its going to be extremly hard this is my 3rd month already well almost 4th now, i have gained 23 pounds of muscle and see the diffrence slowly, you just have to eat good meals and protein shakes and vitamins etc.

as an almost-grad kinesiology student, all i can do is at this statement. sorry buddy but when you don't know something for a fact, please don't post it for all people to see b/c there are some that might believe you and that could seriously lead them to health concerns/problems (that's if they are dumb enuf to actually go ahead and listen to this kind of statements).

23lbs of muscle mass and your into your 4th month??????? wow man, as a personal trainer myself, maybe i should quit and learn from your trainer seeing how he did that to you!!

and you don't need protein shakes or vitamin supplements if you're eating right and getting enough of daily amounts. if you eat too much of protein it's not good for you and in fact if you know exactly what they put in that powder to call it protein, you'd be really surprised. you want protein? go get egg whites and make your own shake with real juice and berries at home. too much vitamins could deteriote your digestive tract and enzyme activity in your stomach. so because you constantly hear how good this or that is, everything is only good in moderation!! don't go out and drink protein shakes and vitamin supplements if you don't know what the fuck is going on in this world of kinesiology and nutrition. rather talk to a specialist in nutrition, take tests from your doctor and see what you need or lacking in your body and only then you may take supplements. and use common sence too. remember: all of this protein shake'n'bake stuff, it's all marketing. and protein is primarily used to decrease muscle soreness from microscopic damage that's done to your tissues so it restores muscle tissue. it doesn't build muscle in your body. if you lie on your coach all day long and take protein it wont help you build muscle mass. it will help you get back to the gym the next day without feeling like you're dead. and also it doesn't contribute much to energy (ATP) at all. only 5-10% of protein is used for energy substrates. you're using all the energy to lift the weights from your carbs (50-60%) and when task becomes longer and you require oxygen (ie. running) then you're using primarily your stored fat sources.

anyway, for anyone out there who's looking to find answers to their questions, i can help you out from what i know and from what all my textbooks know.

^^^ excess protein will be excreted by the body, for the most part...isn't saying "it's not good for you" somewhat misleading?

I also think (hope) that when many people say "protein shakes" they are referring to a balanced shake (protein, fat, carbs and water). Extra protein alone is indeed pointless.

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Originally posted by Tiesto4Life as an almost-grad kinesiology student, all i can do is at this statement. sorry buddy but when you don't know something for a fact, please don't post it for all people to see b/c there are some that might believe you and that could seriously lead them to health concerns/problems (that's if they are dumb enuf to actually go ahead and listen to this kind of statements). 23lbs of muscle mass and your into your 4th month??????? wow man, as a personal trainer myself, maybe i should quit and learn from your trainer seeing how he did that to you!! and you don't need protein shakes or vitamin supplements if you're eating right and getting enough of daily amounts. if you eat too much of protein it's not good for you and in fact if you know exactly what they put in that powder to call it protein, you'd be really surprised. you want protein? go get egg whites and make your own shake with real juice and berries at home. too much vitamins could deteriote your digestive tract and enzyme activity in your stomach. so because you constantly hear how good this or that is, everything is only good in moderation!! don't go out and drink protein shakes and vitamin supplements if you don't know what the fuck is going on in this world of kinesiology and nutrition. rather talk to a specialist in nutrition, take tests from your doctor and see what you need or lacking in your body and only then you may take supplements. and use common sence too. remember: all of this protein shake'n'bake stuff, it's all marketing. and protein is primarily used to decrease muscle soreness from microscopic damage that's done to your tissues so it restores muscle tissue. it doesn't build muscle in your body. if you lie on your coach all day long and take protein it wont help you build muscle mass. it will help you get back to the gym the next day without feeling like you're dead. and also it doesn't contribute much to energy (ATP) at all. only 5-10% of protein is used for energy substrates. you're using all the energy to lift the weights from your carbs (50-60%) and when task becomes longer and you require oxygen (ie. running) then you're using primarily your stored fat sources. anyway, for anyone out there who's looking to find answers to their questions, i can help you out from what i know and from what all my textbooks know.

I really have only an 2-3 hours a week (2 sessions) to do weights. What would be your recommendation on excercises I can do for a total body workout, I do have access to a gym. I am a boxer in training, this has to be kept in mind i guess.
Should I do a full body workout twice a week, or upper b one day, and lower b the other?
I go to Boxing class 4 days a week which is 1.5 hours of Aerobic/Anaerobic training so I figure theres enough cardio in there.
Help would be appreciated.
Thanks,

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Originally posted by MarkT ^^^ excess protein will be excreted by the body, for the most part...isn't saying "it's not good for you" somewhat misleading? I also think (hope) that when many people say "protein shakes" they are referring to a balanced shake (protein, fat, carbs and water). Extra protein alone is indeed pointless.

too much is bad for your kidneys but thats a pretty high level. Eating 1-1.5gper pound of body weight is good for someone heavily working out. (bodybuilders eat more).

It also doesnt have to be a balanced shake. Whey protein shakes(good ones with as much WPI as you can afford in it) are great supplements with little to no carbs and fat in them. And while yes nutrients from natural sources is always better (like said above) it ususally benefial to add a protein supplement (or vitamens) to your daily routine since you cant/dont always get what you need from eathing, not to mention it would cost a lot of money to eat that way (Espeically ) if you are trying to bulk.

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Originally posted by MarkT ^^^ excess protein will be excreted by the body, for the most part...isn't saying "it's not good for you" somewhat misleading?

no it's not b/c by excreting it has an effect on kidneys and when it's in excess than your kidneys must secrete more and then the entire process of absorbtion/excretion works harder and not to go into physiology too much it's basically not good if that happens.

as far as protein recommendation per kg someone mentioned here it's .8 grams per kg of body weight per day thus 56 grams per day for males and 44 grams for female. if you're building muscle mass then it's more, more like 110-120 grams per day for males and 85-95 for females. for endurance trainers it's a little less than for strength but more than normal values. thus it all depends what you're doing with your body.

remember that the worst thing you can do is keep switching diets and workout programs constantly. it puts a huge stress on your body and thus will fuck up your immune system in the process. when that happens, well, yes, you're fucked!! then you must take globulin to try to get your immune system back however that's very difficult.

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