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Originally posted by Clovis86 I was thinking of pulling up tracklists and actually counting each track some of the trance jocks vs. prog jocks play to see who really has more diverse t/l's...but then I remembered I was lazy and that it would take alot of effort...but you wanna do it anyway? I'll help lol And Michael, haha...well its about fuckin time lol

I'm digging my own grave here... but...

Tijs has played 362 recognised tracks in the last 12 months...

230 of those were played no more than on 5 occassions.
The remaining 130 odd average 20 plays... or about 6-8 weeks of coverage.



and in 137 live performances in 2005:
The Loves We Lost (57)
Adagio For Strings (54)
La Noche (46)
Traffic (44)
Just Be (41)
are the stand-alone signature tunes he 'happened' to play.
So thats an awful lot of toilet/drinks breaks to anyone with any audible sense



As Jason said - its a shame he can't drop the signature tunes after a few months and just move on. But as i tried to point out a few posts above, the crowd reaction & demand of the new territories he is playing are making that a thankless task.

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! So thats an awful lot of toilet/drinks breaks to anyone with any audible sense

i don't get that

I think the reason most cats make fun of Tiesto now is because compared to yesterday he is utter shit...that also goes for trance today.

In my opinion the whole superstar big DJ thing is getting boring and the DJs realize that as long as they are popular they can play shitty sets....because the kiddies will still think they are Gods...thats why i dont bother with them anymore...apart from Sander every DJ i dig now is a virtual nobody.

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Originally posted by slinkyhead i don't get that

Well when you have heard Traffic over 50 times in a liveset and are a little bored of being in the scramble to the front when it gets played - I think you'd also like to get out of the rabble for 5 minutes for some relief/refreshment

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! I'm digging my own grave here... but... Tijs has played 362 recognised tracks in the last 12 months... 230 of those were played no more than on 5 occassions. and in 137 live performances in 2005: The Loves We Lost (57) Adagio For Strings (54) La Noche (46) Traffic (44) Just Be (41) are the stand-alone signature tunes he 'happened' to play. So thats an awful lot of toilet/drinks breaks to anyone with any audible sense As Jason said - its a shame he can't drop the signature tunes after a few months and just move on. But as i tried to point out a few posts above, the crowd reaction & demand of the new territories he is playing are making that a thankless task.

Interesting info, thanks. Regarding the bold, I think this just reflects poorly on his DJ skill. To me, if a DJ has to rely on known ch00ns and hits to get the crowd going, hes pretty fucking lazy. Sasha has been doing this with some trentemoller and tiefschwarz and it gets anoying. There are LOADS of fucking good music out there, you just have to find it, its up to the DJ to find new tunes that will destroy the dancefloor, not recycle the same crap over and over, no matter how good. Or play em out, and then stop for awhile, and ressurect them much later...

I dunno, I think there is much too much music available, that is really good, to just be playing the same shit all the time. Its just plain lazyness, or self whoring. I mean, if he cant mix well, cant pick good tunes, cant find exciting new music, what does he do thats worth anything these days?

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! I agree with that I think its a scene-wide trend/problem in the trance genre at present to actually feel the need to promote themselves everywhere they go. Tijs only seems to change that attitude when returning to Netherlands for gigs... cos he knows the crowd there just simply won't tolerate hearing the Just Be Album again. He's been burning the candle at both ends - cos on tour he can't not play those tunes, otherwise the crowd just react badly. I didn't think it was possible, but in Budapest, where he was dropping some nice new (to my ears) Proggy stuff like Petersky & Booka Shade.. the 10'000 capacity arena was stationary... milling around and yawning. 10 minutes later Love Comes Again was dropped and you couldn't breathe for flailing arms and leaping lunatics. When he gets that kind of reaction from his signature tunes, what choice does he have but to keep them lingering in the box the longest While i'd agree the progressive DJs change their tunes on a faster rotation, that could also be something to do with the state of the scene as a whole... I mean - i'd rather hear the same good tracks for 6 months, than have him play the same tunes as the majority of ETN DJs.

yeah i agree. but then again, his music is targeted to an audience that is different than progressive dj's. once again as a rule, i'd say the majority of trance fans, and in this case tiesto fans, are younger in terms of EDM experience. like you said, the netherland crowd isn't going to take some shit set...because they've been around the block and know what's up. but i think that tiesto has choosen the road he has by producing and playing the type of music that he does. not everyone can name all the songs that tiesto plays like the hardcore tracklisters here and on tiesto.com...most have a very vague idea of EDM and their appreciation of it, so of course they only want to here love comes again...that's all they know.

progressive dj's on the other hand, have always played sets which i think appeal more to people that appreciate EDM and have for some time. unless you can appreciate them people think they are boring and monotonous. i think that's even evident in the members of TA for the most part. because of that, i think it gives them that freedom you are talking about to play more tunes...because like the netherland tiesto fans, they know what's up and don't want the same thing all the time.

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Originally posted by Clovis86 Well someone told me the other day that Armin rotates his choons just as fast as Sasha and I was like WHAT?

the problem is he has Aftermath rotated into his bin about 6 months too late

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Originally posted by tiesto14 I think the reason most cats make fun of Tiesto now is because compared to yesterday he is utter shit...that also goes for trance today. In my opinion the whole superstar big DJ thing is getting boring and the DJs realize that as long as they are popular they can play shitty sets....because the kiddies will still think they are Gods...thats why i dont bother with them anymore...apart from Sander every DJ i dig now is a virtual nobody.

I'd agree with that too. Of the 6 hours liveset in December i like the proggy first hour and the final 30 minutes where he played Preach tunes. The rest was ASOT filler.

The whole "worshipping" of the big names in trance is a complete joke.
Take one guy in the UK for example, he makes 4-5 flags to thrust in Tiesto's face every gig he goes to. The look on Tijs's face was damn priceless when he spotted the gimp in the crowd at Gods.

I find it pretty funny that 2-3 years ago you were banned from the tiesto forums for having a negative attitude, nowadays, its pretty hard to find a Tiesto veteran who isn't moaning on the current sorry state of affairs.

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! Well when you have heard Traffic over 50 times in a liveset and are a little bored of being in the scramble to the front when it gets played - I think you'd also like to get out of the rabble for 5 minutes for some relief/refreshment

gotcha, and a set with traffic played 50 times in it would be a little boring

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! I'd agree with that too. Of the 6 hours liveset in December i like the proggy first hour and the final 30 minutes where he played Preach tunes. The rest was ASOT filler.

see and the thing with those sections is he totally just playing what has been popular for the sasha's and the digweed's or the techno dj's...armin does the same thing on ASOT. he plays Eric Prydz - Aftermath or Booka Shade - Mandarin Girl...and all the ASOT kids are like "ooo cool tune"...but those tunes have already been doing the rounds for half a year in other dj's boxes...they were just popular so they decide to play them after the fact.

they've both been doing it more and more lately...i think eventually they are going to make the switch to be honest...they see how it's taken off...and i'm sure they want apart of it. it's things like that which make me really say pfffffft to armin and tiesto...they are almost like bandwagon dj's...they just play music to promote themselves or because it's popular...

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! I find it pretty funny that 2-3 years ago you were banned from the tiesto forums for having a negative attitude, nowadays, its pretty hard to find a Tiesto veteran who isn't moaning on the current sorry state of affairs.

Dude why go to a Tiesto show and hear his crappy productions (post 2002) or, like you said, ASOT fillers all night and maybe some wannabe prog house tune or cheesy ass tech tune when i can go see a DJ like Demi, Stephane K, Lance Jordan and at times Sander and like every single tune from begining to end.

Not too mention i can not deal with those 45 minute break downs anymore.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 In my opinion the whole superstar big DJ thing is getting boring and the DJs realize that as long as they are popular they can play shitty sets....because the kiddies will still think they are Gods...thats why i dont bother with them anymore...apart from Sander every DJ i dig now is a virtual nobody.

but don't you find that the atmosphere sucks with the lesser known djs. For me clubbing is a good 80% about atmosphere, which is why i still like seeing big named djs.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Dude why go to a Tiesto show and hear his crappy productions (post 2002) or, like you said, ASOT fillers all night and maybe some wannabe prog house tune or cheesy ass tech tune when i can go see a DJ like Demi, Stephane K, Lance Jordan and at times Sander and like every single tune from begining to end. Not too mention i can not deal with those 45 minute break downs anymore.

lol nachos hyped the shit out of sander but he didnt do it for me on NYE. Danny Howells was ACE last weekend though!

I think you guys are clearly overestimating the dutch audience. I would say that they are the one which are most positive to his cheesy style.
they like big arenas and then it doesnt matter if the dj is DJ Jean or Tiesto or if he can beatmatch or not. as long as they play some cheesy anthems.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller yeah i agree. but then again, his music is targeted to an audience that is different than progressive dj's. once again as a rule, i'd say the majority of trance fans, and in this case tiesto fans, are younger in terms of EDM experience. like you said, the netherland crowd isn't going to take some shit set...because they've been around the block and know what's up. but i think that tiesto has choosen the road he has by producing and playing the type of music that he does. not everyone can name all the songs that tiesto plays like the hardcore tracklisters here and on tiesto.com...most have a very vague idea of EDM and their appreciation of it, so of course they only want to here love comes again...that's all they know. progressive dj's on the other hand, have always played sets which i think appeal more to people that appreciate EDM and have for some time. unless you can appreciate them people think they are boring and monotonous. i think that's even evident in the members of TA for the most part. because of that, i think it gives them that freedom you are talking about to play more tunes...because like the netherland tiesto fans, they know what's up and don't want the same thing all the time.

Yeah thats why he can never go back... the demographic he has adjusted his playlist to will never be accepting of musical change to a deeper significantly more progressive/darker sound.

The latest idea to combat this is the 2-up weekender... where he'll play a shit concert one night to the teenagers... then the experienced EDM crowd (who were quite happily away from proceedings in the VIP the night before) get their own 200 capacity VIP extended hours set in some cosy location the next day.

We can all look back and imagine it differently or criticise what he has(n't) done.. but what about the future?

The recent change of address to LA to work on the new artist album is like another nail in the freaking coffin for me. I mean, i thought he'd stopped copying Oakey back in 2002!

If that comparison is to be completely drawn... its only a matter of time before Tiesto is a 10-gigs-per-annum wonder at Ibiza & the festivals with a couple of weekend's away touring....

Hopefully at that point the sets won't have gone completely to waste like Oakenfolds.

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Originally posted by KeSs Right now there is a huge PVD craze because he is now the #1 DJ. And yes, I do also like PVD, I have also heard him make mistakes mixing (like Tiesto). Yet, there are 100x more Tiesto sucks threads going around than PVD sucks threads.

lol theres a pvd craze now? u just hear about him recently? He's had a craze following for more than a couple months.

and there's more tiesto sucks threads, because tiesto actually does suck, pvd doesn't, though he has been a lot better than currently. Tiesto is not a good dj in anyway any more, yet he still believes hes the shit, when he hasn't been since like 2001. At least pvd uses his popularity to promote things like politics,freedom, the music, etc. unlike tiesto who just rides his popularity, continuing to promote himself further as the worlds best dj instead of paying any sort of attention to the things that got him there in the first place. I love his old stuff,sets...but he's a joke.

Tiesto is just a big marketing campaign, a brand name even. He hasn't been a real/good dj for a long long time.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller they are almost like bandwagon dj's...they just play music to promote themselves or because it's popular...

Thats hardly a newsflash

They were bandwagon DJs in 1998-99... so what changes?

lol

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Dude why go to a Tiesto show and hear his crappy productions (post 2002) or, like you said, ASOT fillers all night and maybe some wannabe prog house tune or cheesy ass tech tune when i can go see a DJ like Demi, Stephane K, Lance Jordan and at times Sander and like every single tune from begining to end. Not too mention i can not deal with those 45 minute break downs anymore.

Hehehe I can never make the complete switch like you did. Its taken 3 extra years to get the hell off the shittest forum on the planet.

You know my commitments man.. and it would be a damn shame to leave them

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! Thats hardly a newsflash They were bandwagon DJs in 1998-99... so what changes? lol

Following up on this and your point about his move to LA, we saw him at Danny Howells night hanging in VIP...I wonder how many tracks he wrote down that Danny blew the place up with...lolol

Everyone was pointing and looking at him, it was weird, like seeing a car crash or something...or a train wreck?

I wanted to add that this is the best Tiesto thread I've seen on here in awhile. lol Cheers to all parties.

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Originally posted by Clovis86 I wanted to add that this is the best Tiesto thread I've seen on here in awhile. lol Cheers to all parties.

yeah what's happening. Are TA's getting more rational

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Originally posted by Floorfiller see and the thing with those sections is he totally just playing what has been popular for the sasha's and the digweed's or the techno dj's...armin does the same thing on ASOT. he plays Eric Prydz - Aftermath or Booka Shade - Mandarin Girl...and all the ASOT kids are like "ooo cool tune"...but those tunes have already been doing the rounds for half a year in other dj's boxes...they were just popular so they decide to play them after the fact. they've both been doing it more and more lately...i think eventually they are going to make the switch to be honest...they see how it's taken off...and i'm sure they want apart of it. it's things like that which make me really say pfffffft to armin and tiesto...they are almost like bandwagon dj's...they just play music to promote themselves or because it's popular...

Yeah i was freaking gutted when he dropped Pryda...

What about :-
Elio Riso & Raffunk - To Be Or Not To Be
Klement Bonelli - Ethna
or
Empty Streets (Seamus Haji & Emmanuel Remix)

were those heavy rotated before Tijs picked them up.
I know he found them via a few CDR's he bought out on the white isle.



In a recent poll he has listed Eric Prydz as his favourite artist from 2005... I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 I think you guys are clearly overestimating the dutch audience. I would say that they are the one which are most positive to his cheesy style. they like big arenas and then it doesnt matter if the dj is DJ Jean or Tiesto or if he can beatmatch or not. as long as they play some cheesy anthems.

hmmm

Tiesto only played Sensation once.

Since then Armin has been to blame for that crock of shit.

The audience might be more accepting to big anthems, but they are also tired of hearing both these and the 'In Concert' themes. (At least the people i hanged out with were!)

Another problem is that these guys are so popular on home soil... they have to fill a stadium, cos quite frankly a 1000-capacity club just isnt big enough anymore.

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Originally posted by Clovis86 Following up on this and your point about his move to LA, we saw him at Danny Howells night hanging in VIP...I wonder how many tracks he wrote down that Danny blew the place up with...lolol Everyone was pointing and looking at him, it was weird, like seeing a car crash or something...or a train wreck?

Yeah its funny that.. more sightings on Miami's South Beach around Christmas, and the freaking funny Sushi Bar thread in LA section...

Is the dude actually working on an album or just milking his bank balance?




Getting back on-topic, as a DJ for me he definitely peaked during 2001 and 2002, where with the death of epic (end of bandwagon jump # 2), he had to get out there and find a freaking sound that he DID like.

The SOLOs and Dutch Dimension 02-02-02...

its all been skydiving without a parachute since then.

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01. Peres & Petersky - Hello Ladies [Aurium] 02. Oliver Moldan Pres. Prawler - Marrakech [Audio Therapy] 03. Markus Schulz Feat. Anita Kelsey - First Time [Coldharbour Recordings] 04. Niklas Harding Pres. Arcane - Blue Circles Coldharbour Recordings 05. Kalafut & Fygle - Novocaine (Mark Otten Remix) 06. ID 07. Portishead - Roads (Sultan & Tonedepth Remix) (Live Edit) [rr1000] 08. Pryda - The Gift [Pryda] 09. Late Night Alumni - Empty Streets (Seamus Haji & Paul Emmanuel Remix) [Hed Kandi] 10. Coca And Vila - La Noche [Songbird] 11. Joris Voorn - Incident [Sino] 12. ID 13. Sasha - Belfunk (Matthew Dekay Remix) [N/A] 14. Schiller - Das Glockenspiel (Humate Remix) [Data] 15. Leama & Moor - Everything Matters (Matthew Dekay Remix) [Lost Language] 16. Above & Beyond Feat. Andy Moor - Air For Life [Anjuna Beats/Euphonic] 17. ID 18. Solarstone Feat. Jess - Like A Waterfall (In Search Of Sunrise Edit) [Blackhole] 19. Jam & Spoon - Odyssey To Anyoona [Dance Pool] 20. Kosmas Epsilon - Innocent Thoughts Heavy [Rotation] 21. Funabashi - Daylight [Coldharbour Recordings] 22. Super8 vs. DJ Tab - Helsinki Scorchin [Anjunabeats] 23. ID 24. Carrie Skipper - Time Goes By (Super8 Deep Mix) [Anjunabeats] 25. Factoria - Kissed By An Andel (DST-7 Remix) [Selective Recordings] 26. ID 27. Scott Mac � Damager 02 (Mac Zimms Remix) [Limit] 28. Mark Norman - Brasilia (Phantom Edit) [Magik Muzik] 29. Gabriel & Dresden Feat. Molly - Tracking Treasure Down [Organised Nature] 30. Solid Haze & Milez - ID [TBR] 31. Purple Haze - Eden [Oxygen Records] 32. James Holden - Horizons [Silver Planet] 33. ATB - Let U Go (E-Craigs 2005 Rework) [Kontor Records] 34. Nautical Imagery - Distant Dreams (Alex Morph Remix) [Enhanced Recordings] 35. Will Holland - Timeless (Deepwide Remix) [Enhanced Limited] 36. Interstate - Remember Me (Terry Bones Remix) [Bandung?] 37. Inertia - The Chamber [Discover] 38. Headstong - Close Your Eyes (Dwight van Mann Remix) [N/A] 39. Marksun & Brian - Gran Rey (Ronski Speed Remix) [Euphonic] 40. Sinead O'Conner - Troy (Push Remix) [Yris] 41. Peetu S - A Bigger Palace [Spinnin Records] 42. Mark Norman - Touchdown [Magik Muzik] 43. Tiesto - Flight 643 [Magik Muzik] 44. Bart Claessen - Playmo (1st Play) [Yakuza] 45. Ekon - Skywalker [N/A] 46. Duende - Ilimitado [Afterglow Records] 47. Ekon - Existence [N/A] 48. ID 49. Aalto - Resolution [Anjunabeats] 50. Alfa - Sacrosant [Cyber Records] 51. ID 52. Ronski Speed Feat. Stoneface And Terminal - Incognition (Club Mix) [Euphonic] 53. ID 54. Danny Oliveira - Hold On [Blackhole] 55. Thomas Bronzwaer - Shadow World [Yakuza] 56. Preach - My World [Magik Muzik] 57. Preach - Broken Inside [Magik Muzik]

You can't seriously mean that all of these tracks are cheese. He did a nice progressive warm-up here in this 6 h heineken music set. I know his mixing skills are very poor; but te atmosphere in his performances are great (seen him 5 times now)

And whereas armin still is a total sellout on major gigs, ti�sto got back into the clubscene...
His tracklisting in 2005 was motsly poor... but recently he started playing with more variety and i really like that.

Ti�sto should'nt be worshipped; nor bashed.
He's just an average dj; but he knows how to entertain a crowd!

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