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| Originally posted by I <3 NY WHy is this such a big fucking debate to noobs I dont get it....trance music and nother genres stemmed out of house music, acid house started teh actual edm scene in the late 80's out of Manchester .....it was called ACID HOUSE for a reason, any other genre which stemmed somewhat out of this era of music/rave cultture will always be associated with drugs...just accept it and stfu already. Yes trance, and edm comes from an era of drug use, and till this day still remains somewhat in that category. |
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| Originally posted by Demoted The current pope doesn't walk around doing a heil salute and pimping a swastika either, yet for some reason trippy trance tracks are made and people pop e at most raves and twack out. Also, many of the producers make the tracks for drug usage still. Check out James Holden (though he might not really be trance). |
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| Originally posted by Demoted So you're telling me it's complete and utter coincidence that music played from 120bpm - 140bpm with repatitive melodies, breaks, and the like sounds nearly perfect when on certain drugs. That it wasn't designed when people were on drugs and decided to shape the music around it. Someone is sounding naive. |
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| Originally posted by Trance Addix Poppin E to trance is a bad fad...thats it. |
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| Originally posted by Axolotyl uh... yeah |
It's strictly a to each their own kind of thing when it comes to drugs at dance music events. Everyone enjoys themselves in their own way right?
Nothings more annoying and sad than someone endlessly bugging you to take a pill when you don't really want one. It's really a personal desicion and no one should be pressured like it's a grade school thing.
Same goes vise versa with people acting like drug officers.
I think we can all agree on the above
Often I notice I'm less connected to the music when I'm on pills. I rather go talking nonsense to random people and before I know it the nights over lol.
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| Originally posted by Truepioneer It's strictly a to each their own kind of thing when it comes to drugs at dance music events. Everyone enjoys themselves in their own way right? Nothings more annoying and sad than someone endlessly bugging you to take a pill when you don't really want one. It's really a personal desicion and no one should be pressured like it's a grade school thing. Same goes vise versa with people acting like drug officers. I think we can all agree on the above Often I notice I'm less connected to the music when I'm on pills. I rather go talking nonsense to random people and before I know it the nights over lol. |
Its funny how the simple-minded peeps who usually start a debate or attack on drugs usually don't reply in the thread anymore other than their simple unground starting statement. And it is these people time after time who seem most unknowledgeable about drugs.
I've said this in several similar threads before, if you don't know what you are talking about don't talk about it...and certainly don't start categorising people in a negative way.
Its like virgins talking about sex.
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| Originally posted by Trance Addix How do you know when a track is considered for drug usage? Like said earlier in this thread, the utlimate goal is to reach that "state of mind"; and there are ways to do that without drugs. I think its an artificial dependency that's causing people to think they need to 'pop e'. |
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| Originally posted by Synthesia Its funny how the simple-minded peeps who usually start a debate or attack on drugs usually don't reply in the thread anymore other than their simple unground starting statement. And it is these people time after time who seem most unknowledgeable about drugs. I've said this in several similar threads before, if you don't know what you are talking about don't talk about it...and certainly don't start categorising people in a negative way. Its like virgins talking about sex. @Trance Addix, we don't call trance listeners drug-addicts now either do we? <- At your post comparing the Pope and the Nazi youth versus trance and drug use. Besides, I could even proceed to say that opinion may be quite offensive to some. Comparing drug-users to Nazi youth?? I think we can all agree the Nazism/extremism in such form is very negative...and so are drug users?! I don't think I've ever had to personally attack somebody on TA yet but I think that this is a very very narrow-minded naive form of thinking. Fair enough to have an opinion, but try to back it up with some senseful correct information. Also...you mention people NEEDING to pop E...ehm...what makes you think people NEED it. Ok some might not be able to enjoy themselves without anymore, or don't enjoy EDM in the first place without E...but thats quite wrong I think, and shows dependency on the drug. But do I call people who drink alcohol alcoholics? Do you NEED to drink alcohol when you go out? (even though most people do) At all those who want to make an opinion about drug use and judge users, read some replies in the following threads: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=321816 http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=316054 |
You compare the connection bewteen drug users and trance with the connection of the Pope with the Hitler Youth.
One of these is comparing evil with good (Nazism vs. the Pope), whereas the other is comparing good with neutral (trance vs. drug users).
But I understand this was not your intention, at least I hope its not 
May I still suggest you have a read through the replies to some ungrounded opinions by other users in those other 2 thread 
Not for the sake of saying one is right the other is wrong, but perhaps some of the thoughts mentioned there may bring some insight to some people about drug users and usage. And it saves me having to repeat myself over and over
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| Originally posted by Synthesia You compare the connection bewteen drug users and trance with the connection of the Pope with the Hitler Youth. One of these is comparing evil with good (Nazism vs. the Pope), whereas the other is comparing good with neutral (trance vs. drug users). But I understand this was not your intention, at least I hope its not May I still suggest you have a read through the replies to some ungrounded opinions by other users in those other 2 thread Not for the sake of saying one is right the other is wrong, but perhaps some of the thoughts mentioned there may bring some insight to some people about drug users and usage. And it saves me having to repeat myself over and over |
Fair enough I think I've clarified mine. Suit you
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| Originally posted by Synthesia Fair enough I think I've clarified mine. Suit you |
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| Originally posted by Trance Addix Just a random fact: I represented Belgium, when I was doing the WW II simulation in school |
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| Originally posted by Synthesia Hehe thats pretty cool |
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| Originally posted by Trance Addix Well, I believe we have misunderstandings between eachother..I shall cut this arguement to maintain some civility between us. Have a good day! |
I can honesty say that alot of my best nights were sober. As long as you can get into the music and there's good company that's all that matters.
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| Originally posted by Truepioneer Wow! some heat on this thread lol. I have been an occasional user for 7 years and have done clubbing both sober and high. I beleive I can make a very valid opinion here. One thing I don't like seeing on this thread is that some people almost seem to view EDM without drugs almost unthinkable. Too me that is just as narrow minded as saying all drug use should be banned togther. But.....I guess as long as you don't push that view on other people It's fine. I do about 80% sober and 20% with drugs in my clubbing. Otherwise I wouldn't have been able to still keep going after 7 years I can honesty say that alot of my best nights were sober. As long as you can get into the music and there's good company that's all that matters. Once again I can't stress it enough TO EACH THEIR OWN!!! |
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| Originally posted by Truepioneer Wow! some heat on this thread lol. |
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| Originally posted by Synthesia No heat anymore Each to their own 100% agree, but to those who make (negative) judgements about others try to ground them first, and no I'm not pointing at anybody |
yikes, this was a fun thread
look, I'm not saying that this music can't exist without drugs, I'm just saying that it doesn't happen today aside from within some obscure circles. I've had plenty of real experience that causes me to think this way. One only needs to go out and observe the people around them to realize that most people are in on this drug using underworld. Go to a party, walk in the bathroom, at alot of parties you will find a guy in the bathroom sitting behind a desk with a huge wad of cash in front of him. What the hell do you think that guy is doing? Why do you think he can just sit right there in front of the door like that?
Everyone is in on it!
Have you ever had drugs confiscated by a bouncer? Wanna know what he does with them? I can guarentee he isn't flushing them, and if you offer to flush them right then and there he wont let you and instead will take them from you. Guess what, the bouncers, and indeed the entire club enterprise is involved in drug peddling in some fashion.
The DJ's, standing in front of the crowd, would have to be retarded not to notice the looks on al the peoples rolling faces. If they didn't aprove of the drugs surely they would discorage them somehow when they see such a sight night after night, but they dont! They don't because those drug users are their meal ticket.
Todays clubbing environment is deeply conected with drugs. Everyone in the crowd who has even a tiny bit of observation skill can see it all hapening right in front of them. Even those kids who talk like they dont do them often are the ones doing them, or even seling them. People act all ritchous on these message board sites but you meet them in person and you quickly notice that look in their eye, that trembling motion they have and the drug lingo that they speak in. The drugs are everywhere and the people involved in the music realize this, but they continue to do nothing about it because they don't have a problem with it.
I'm not saying you need to to drugs when you go out, I'm not saying that anyone should be condemned for letting this happening, I'm just saying that you better realize what you are getting into when you go out, because that is what's out there.
^Excellent, very well said. Agree entirely.
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| Originally posted by Zombie0915 yikes, this was a fun thread look, I'm not saying that this music can't exist without drugs, I'm just saying that it doesn't happen today aside from within some obscure circles. I've had plenty of real experience that causes me to think this way. One only needs to go out and observe the people around them to realize that most people are in on this drug using underworld. Go to a party, walk in the bathroom, at alot of parties you will find a guy in the bathroom sitting behind a desk with a huge wad of cash in front of him. What the hell do you think that guy is doing? Why do you think he can just sit right there in front of the door like that? Everyone is in on it! Have you ever had drugs confiscated by a bouncer? Wanna know what he does with them? I can guarentee he isn't flushing them, and if you offer to flush them right then and there he wont let you and instead will take them from you. Guess what, the bouncers, and indeed the entire club enterprise is involved in drug peddling in some fashion. The DJ's, standing in front of the crowd, would have to be retarded not to notice the looks on al the peoples rolling faces. If they didn't aprove of the drugs surely they would discorage them somehow when they see such a sight night after night, but they dont! They don't because those drug users are their meal ticket. Todays clubbing environment is deeply conected with drugs. Everyone in the crowd who has even a tiny bit of observation skill can see it all hapening right in front of them. Even those kids who talk like they dont do them often are the ones doing them, or even seling them. People act all ritchous on these message board sites but you meet them in person and you quickly notice that look in their eye, that trembling motion they have and the drug lingo that they speak in. The drugs are everywhere and the people involved in the music realize this, but they continue to do nothing about it because they don't have a problem with it. I'm not saying you need to to drugs when you go out, I'm not saying that anyone should be condemned for letting this happening, I'm just saying that you better realize what you are getting into when you go out, because that is what's out there. |
Worldlyway, I guess in some aspects I'm one of those obscure people lol no argument there lol
I have so much to say on this topic.
This isn't aimed at anyone specific by the way.
I don't have a problem with drug use unless they're abused of course. I also don't see any sense in critisizing peoples personal system of doing drugs that suites them best. Some people get a kick out of pointing the finger and condeming occasional users when they want to indulge, which can be annoying. They must just do it to get a laugh though
Their is no way I would deny the drug scenes existense or my part in it at all. That would kinda be denying something that has been happening since the beggging of time! (the drugs+music thing)
I just don't like that black and white view of either your 100% into them all the time or your 100% against. If I followed that view I would find it very limiting.
But yeah they're fun when you want to let loose no arguments there right??? lol
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| Originally posted by Zombie0915 yikes, this was a fun thread look, I'm not saying that this music can't exist without drugs, I'm just saying that it doesn't happen today aside from within some obscure circles. I've had plenty of real experience that causes me to think this way. One only needs to go out and observe the people around them to realize that most people are in on this drug using underworld. Go to a party, walk in the bathroom, at alot of parties you will find a guy in the bathroom sitting behind a desk with a huge wad of cash in front of him. What the hell do you think that guy is doing? Why do you think he can just sit right there in front of the door like that? Everyone is in on it! Have you ever had drugs confiscated by a bouncer? Wanna know what he does with them? I can guarentee he isn't flushing them, and if you offer to flush them right then and there he wont let you and instead will take them from you. Guess what, the bouncers, and indeed the entire club enterprise is involved in drug peddling in some fashion. The DJ's, standing in front of the crowd, would have to be retarded not to notice the looks on al the peoples rolling faces. If they didn't aprove of the drugs surely they would discorage them somehow when they see such a sight night after night, but they dont! They don't because those drug users are their meal ticket. Todays clubbing environment is deeply conected with drugs. Everyone in the crowd who has even a tiny bit of observation skill can see it all hapening right in front of them. Even those kids who talk like they dont do them often are the ones doing them, or even seling them. People act all ritchous on these message board sites but you meet them in person and you quickly notice that look in their eye, that trembling motion they have and the drug lingo that they speak in. The drugs are everywhere and the people involved in the music realize this, but they continue to do nothing about it because they don't have a problem with it. I'm not saying you need to to drugs when you go out, I'm not saying that anyone should be condemned for letting this happening, I'm just saying that you better realize what you are getting into when you go out, because that is what's out there. |
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| Originally posted by DJ Indus Creed The fundamental problem with this post is the poster has already made up his mind that Clubs = EDM and EDM = Trance and hence Trance = Drugs. In US, most dance clubs play hip-hop - genuine EDM clubs are very few and far off and genuine Trance-clubs even less. And, in my observation, drug use/abuse is much more rampant in the ghetto-ish hip-hop clubs than anywhere else. Also, the fundamental premise that Trance originated from rave-parties is also debatable and so are the claims that it has its origins in the drug-parties. Lastly, music was never meant for drugs. Anyone who even remotely tries to claim so is not worth arguing with. |
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