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Originally posted by Trancer-X You just have to learn how to set your own goals, man. If you try to do that while binding yourself to the dictates of a materialistic and shallow society you will only wind up as soulless and superficial as everyone else whose days revolve around slaving for that next dollar. In my opinion, that's definitely not the road to happiness or even a life worth living. Self-reflection is a good way to figure things out, but few people are comfortable undertaking the monumental task of actually delving into their own minds. However, if you're truly in search of what will make you happy, there is really no other way to go about it. I jumped off of that rat-race bandwagon years ago. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it - I don't think that I ever really got on it to begin with. Good luck, bro!

if you dont mind me asking, what do you do now? make enough money to have some savings or just enough to do what you want?

This is one of the best and most thought-provoking threads I've come across here on TA.

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Originally posted by Taub if you dont mind me asking, what do you do now? make enough money to have some savings or just enough to do what you want?

Honestly, as of late I've been doing only just enough to get by.

I have bad credit and was turned down for a loan so I wound up spending the last of my savings by going back to school. Now I have some computer certifications and enough close contacts to make it a regular thing, I'm in the process of starting an IT consulting business. So far I'm the only employee, but right now I'm more than content with that.

I like computers so I figure that I may as well concentrate in that area (especially since I have a lot of friends who are business owners who are always asking me for help both at their workplaces and at their homes.)

Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate, so we can buy shit we don't need.

You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fu**ing khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world. - FIGHT CLUB

Gotta love that movie.

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Originally posted by wizniz dude make time in your life to do absolutely nothing

impossible...the need to be productive is what wakes me up in the morning and keeps me awake at night....

inactivity has to be the most useless feeling to me, unless i'm on a beach chair somewhere in the carribean, but then i'd justify that as just working on my tan =P

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Originally posted by Miss Bliss I would say life is pretty confusing right now, just like yours, Brian.

yes life is confusing, i'm contemplating my current situation as i've opened myself up to new markets. i'm looking to solidify my new york assets and move on...toronto possibly (ala porky)

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Originally posted by Choobak And +++1 to you Matt. Let's go to Goa and leave this shit behind! ... and this thread rocks by the way. I love talking/thinking about his stuff.

you ain't leaving to Goa without me ya heard...sandboarding is a good compromise! as for the thread...thought provoking is exactly the way i think, i sometimes feel alone in my thoughts because in my mind i constantly beat these topics to death...i always keep these thoughts in consideration because it helps me create an grounded environment to live in. always doing something...even if it's too much and im about to snap...atleast its too much versus having nothing at all...

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Originally posted by Trancer-X You just have to learn how to set your own goals, man. If you try to do that while binding yourself to the dictates of a materialistic and shallow society you will only wind up as soulless and superficial as everyone else whose days revolve around slaving for that next dollar. In my opinion, that's definitely not the road to happiness or even a life worth living. Self-reflection is a good way to figure things out, but few people are comfortable undertaking the monumental task of actually delving into their own minds. However, if you're truly in search of what will make you happy, there is really no other way to go about it. I jumped off of that rat-race bandwagon years ago. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it - I don't think that I ever really got on it to begin with. Good luck, bro!

i think the point i was trying to make has been lost in translation as alot of people have made valid points which are relevant to what i was saying...all in good dialog i must state. im just saying (a day later) that, under the pressures of deadlines (yesterday), realization smacked me in the face, that my world is full of priorities, responsibilities, deadlines, with the focus on success. i constantly create those mentioned in order to be productive. i think i fear being unproductive as it makes me feel useless. maybe some people have less "drive" or reason to be the way they are, for me it's the crutch of my life. i can't stand being stagnant, so i load my life up with things-to-do, then i realize i've obligated myself to so many things that i just want to not do any of them at all [insert - "baby steps, baby steps"].

a day later, i sit back relieved because i've successfully removed 7 of 18 tasks from my list. yes 18 is quite the number of "things to get done" in 2 days, but im happy like that. often feel that life is moving 1,000 mph and i never reflect on my accomplishments. i'm starting to do that, but i feel that time dwelling/reflecting is time loss being productive.

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Originally posted by StanVoid This is one of the best and most thought-provoking threads I've come across here on TA.

welcome to my mind, my life, and my fuel to wake up every day. mind power can be the strongest thing in the world, you just gotta know how to use it =)

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Honestly, as of late I've been doing only just enough to get by. I have bad credit and was turned down for a loan so I wound up spending the last of my savings by going back to school. Now I have some computer certifications and enough close contacts to make it a regular thing, I'm in the process of starting an IT consulting business. So far I'm the only employee, but right now I'm more than content with that. I like computers so I figure that I may as well concentrate in that area (especially since I have a lot of friends who are business owners who are always asking me for help both at their workplaces and at their homes.)

you hiring? need a partner? lol

can i ask how old you are? mid 20s. could be your 1/4 life crisis.i feel the same way dude. i think just find something you love to do. youll find value in your time. also do something for others. nothing like the feeling of giving something that isnt measured my money. do some volutneer work.

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Originally posted by illmaticnyc can i ask how old you are? mid 20s. could be your 1/4 life crisis.i feel the same way dude. i think just find something you love to do. youll find value in your time. also do something for others. nothing like the feeling of giving something that isnt measured my money. do some volutneer work.

i'm 24 - i think alot of people are missing the point here. it's not about me not liking what i do, or finding value in my time and my time is clearly measured by money as well as volunteering my personal life for others. it's about the quality of life. the way i make my life busy and then hate the fact that its busy. get it? some people don't realize this, they just "live life" to me it's important. maybe its the 1/4 crisis, may be it's re-evaluating things. maybe it's just identifying it and find out who can relate to it.

again, alot of dialog here, i really appreciate it. it helps me understand and feel that im not alone when it comes to this, just that not alot of us put ourselves out there for people to suggest, comment, or even criticize...but then again, thats how you take it, and i for one, am open to all suggestions, comments, and even criticism...like i said...thats the stuff that keeps me grounded.

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Originally posted by ride^snowboards i'm 24 - i think alot of people are missing the point here. it's not about me not liking what i do, or finding value in my time and my time is clearly measured by money as well as volunteering my personal life for others. it's about the quality of life. the way i make my life busy and then hate the fact that its busy. get it? some people don't realize this, they just "live life" to me it's important. maybe its the 1/4 crisis, may be it's re-evaluating things. maybe it's just identifying it and find out who can relate to it. again, alot of dialog here, i really appreciate it. it helps me understand and feel that im not alone when it comes to this, just that not alot of us put ourselves out there for people to suggest, comment, or even criticize...but then again, thats how you take it, and i for one, am open to all suggestions, comments, and even criticism...like i said...thats the stuff that keeps me grounded.

so do you feel like you dont have enough time for other things? or its just the fact that you are busy. like no time in your days? like the days go by so fast. like your weeks and years blaze by. one min you are 22 and then all of a sudden you are 24 and try to think about wtf you did for two years? im 27 this year. i remember graduating college 4 years ago like it was last year. 4 years flew by. that scares me. in 4 years ill be 31. then 4 years from that illbe 35. i do the regular 9 to 5 and feel busy all the time. i think we just need to sit back and just soak it all in. take a breather. remanage our lives and just slow it down a bit. i think esp living in ny you have this mentality to get things done in a rush to do other things. next thing you know you are rushing to do more work. even my weekends are busy. im busy doing things to find myself to stay busy with. but thast ny. people rarely stay sedentary. and if we do we feel like the rest of the world is whizzing by us. cnat think that way. just live it min by min.

Trancer-X, I had a grandpa who passed away two years ago; I also feel that I could've got closer with him...

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Originally posted by illmaticnyc so do you feel like you dont have enough time for other things? or its just the fact that you are busy. like no time in your days? like the days go by so fast. like your weeks and years blaze by. one min you are 22 and then all of a sudden you are 24 and try to think about wtf you did for two years? im 27 this year. i remember graduating college 4 years ago like it was last year. 4 years flew by. that scares me. in 4 years ill be 31. then 4 years from that illbe 35. i do the regular 9 to 5 and feel busy all the time. i think we just need to sit back and just soak it all in. take a breather. remanage our lives and just slow it down a bit. i think esp living in ny you have this mentality to get things done in a rush to do other things. next thing you know you are rushing to do more work. even my weekends are busy. im busy doing things to find myself to stay busy with. but thast ny. people rarely stay sedentary. and if we do we feel like the rest of the world is whizzing by us. cnat think that way. just live it min by min.

thats the gist of it.

dj tek once told me "from 21-25, it'll go by so quickly" he couldn't have been more right about it....

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Originally posted by ride^snowboards thats the gist of it. dj tek once told me "from 21-25, it'll go by so quickly" he couldn't have been more right about it....

i find it depressing that most of us spend more time with our coworkers than we do with our families and friends.
and that we work our wholel ives for what. to sustain things like a house? cars?

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Originally posted by illmaticnyc i find it depressing that most of us spend more time with our coworkers than we do with our families and friends. and that we work our wholel ives for what. to sustain things like a house? cars?

Yeah, I see life in America as a train; everyone tries to follow the most proved track: Buying a house, having kids, going on vacation...This all sounds really similar to the American Dream

I agree with a lot of what's being said. I'd still propogate some sort of balance though. It's dangerous to live only for the moment. That Mexican fisherman could enjoy his kids but I bet he couldn't afford to get any of them treated were they to fall ill. That's never cool.

Of course it might as well be just as dangerous to become consumed in that which is not life. I guess that phrase "Work to live. Don't live to work." applies here.

It's interesting what Trancer-X mentioned about his grandfather. I pretty much have the same situation with my own father. I think though that in the case of a parent it might be more about sacrificing your own time on earth so that your offspring may be able to make more of their own experience than you did.

Being productive is in our nature. It's fairly difficult to do nothing and not become depressed. Having a sense of utility is what drives us as beings. I would make time to either do something you enjoy or if that's still too much like working, then I'd make some kind of down-time.

Personally, on weekends or during the week when I have free time I tend to take long walks around the city. It seems like I find something new every time and even having lived here almost my whole life, there's plenty that I haven't explored. Plus it kind of gives me a chance to clear my mind of things and focus on smelling the roses so to speak. It took me until about the age of 20 or 21 before I actually began to marvel at Times Square. All those years I was so focused on where I was going. I never really bothered to look up. Now when I walk around, wherever I am, I try to take in my sorroundings as much as I can. Until recently I'd even bring my camera around with me and take random pics.

Now it's about 60 degrees. It's a pretty nice day albiet the clouds. I'd personally like to take a walk around Union Sq/Astor Place area. It would be a nice trip from where I am way up in the Bx. I'm probably gonna be at work in an hour and stay until midnight. I have the option of not going in until 6pm though. It definatey bothers me that I have to watch the sun set from behind the glass office windows. Is the money really worth missing out on the day? I can't really fully answer that but I definately do make time for chillin and hanging out and Spirit and Crobar and Made @ Central Park etc.

If you're feeling like there's too much on your plate then there probably is. I don't think there's anything wrong with lightening one's load, plus the years won't go by so fast.

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Originally posted by illmaticnyc i find it depressing that most of us spend more time with our coworkers than we do with our families and friends. and that we work our wholel ives for what. to sustain things like a house? cars?

Try going out of town for weeks at a time and working 80-100 hour weeks while you're away. Then you'll understand the concept of seeing co-workers more than your friends and family.

I have been leaving work earlier for the past few months, but when work picks up (like it's started to the past week or so), the amount of time I spend at work sucks. To compound it, my girlfriend, who I do love a lot and enjoy spending time with, makes me feels like all of my time outside work should be with her. Between the work hours and the time with her, I don't have time for myself. The other night I told her not to come over, so I got home from work at like 8:30 and just sat and played video games all night. It was actually pretty relaxing not having to fulfill someone else's expectations for a few hours.

And yeah, the last 3 years since I've moved here have flown by.

I'd still pick this over the hunter-gatherer lifestyle of the Mexican fisherman, though. He's living worse than paycheck to paycheck. If he doesn't meet his deadlines for catching fish, he'll die. Unlike the fisherman, the Harvard MBA who wants to retire and have the life of the fisherman does have savings in his retirement and a back-up plan in case his fishing lifestyle fails. He won't care if he doesn't catch fish, he'll just buy them from someone who did catch them. The other point to consider is with the amount of people in this world, if everyone tried to live by the hunter-gatherer lifestyle, we'd run out of things to hunt and gather.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Try going out of town for weeks at a time and working 80-100 hour weeks while you're away. Then you'll understand the concept of seeing co-workers more than your friends and family. I have been leaving work earlier for the past few months, but when work picks up (like it's started to the past week or so), the amount of time I spend at work sucks. To compound it, my girlfriend, who I do love a lot and enjoy spending time with, makes me feels like all of my time outside work should be with her. Between the work hours and the time with her, I don't have time for myself. The other night I told her not to come over, so I got home from work at like 8:30 and just sat and played video games all night. It was actually pretty relaxing not having to fulfill someone else's expectations for a few hours. And yeah, the last 3 years since I've moved here have flown by. I'd still pick this over the hunter-gatherer lifestyle of the Mexican fisherman, though. He's living worse than paycheck to paycheck. If he doesn't meet his deadlines for catching fish, he'll die. Unlike the fisherman, the Harvard MBA who wants to retire and have the life of the fisherman does have savings in his retirement and a back-up plan in case his fishing lifestyle fails. He won't care if he doesn't catch fish, he'll just buy them from someone who did catch them. The other point to consider is with the amount of people in this world, if everyone tried to live by the hunter-gatherer lifestyle, we'd run out of things to hunt and gather.

i have worked and done that. was in texas on a site working 7 days from 4am till 12am every day. 140 hr work weeks. depressing. yes. definitely.
as for your gf...i was in the same deal. i cut her off. lifes much better. girls need to understand us guys need time to ourselves. guys need to understand that too about their women. such is life thoguh right?

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy I'd still pick this over the hunter-gatherer lifestyle of the Mexican fisherman, though. He's living worse than paycheck to paycheck. If he doesn't meet his deadlines for catching fish, he'll die. Unlike the fisherman, the Harvard MBA who wants to retire and have the life of the fisherman does have savings in his retirement and a back-up plan in case his fishing lifestyle fails. He won't care if he doesn't catch fish, he'll just buy them from someone who did catch them. The other point to consider is with the amount of people in this world, if everyone tried to live by the hunter-gatherer lifestyle, we'd run out of things to hunt and gather.

I think you're reading too much into that story...

I mean the point isn't figuring out whether the fisherman's life is better than the mba's or not. It's about realizing that in the end this whole lifestyle that we live is kind of ridiculous.

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Originally posted by Choobak I think you're reading too much into that story... It's about realizing that in the end this whole lifestyle that we live is kind of ridiculous.

i agree...i turned 23 a month ago and i keep getting surprised at just how fast time has been passin by since i left college and started workin the daily grind (9 - 5, 5 days a week, workin in a cubicle)...and i dont even really like my job, i just see it as something im doin right now until i either go back for grad school or find something im really passionate about...so its a tough transition period at times...im content with earning a steady paycheck and being able to support myself but i also have a lot more ambition and frequently get frustrated that im not actively moving onto the "next" stage of my life, regardless of what it might be..maybe its impatience...just got to learn to savor the smaller, finer luxuries in life i guess and slow down with everything (smokin a bowl def helps me pause and not take things to seriously a lot of times )

consumerism, materialism, whatever you call it...has definitely impacted a generation of kids negatively, depending on how much one "buys" into the culture...but in the end, America is still a place where we have a fair amount of freedom to do what we want if we really want to(and will hopefully remain that way).

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Originally posted by ride^snowboards im just saying (a day later) that, under the pressures of deadlines (yesterday), realization smacked me in the face, that my world is full of priorities, responsibilities, deadlines, with the focus on success. i constantly create those mentioned in order to be productive. i think i fear being unproductive as it makes me feel useless. maybe some people have less "drive" or reason to be the way they are, for me it's the crutch of my life. i can't stand being stagnant, so i load my life up with things-to-do, then i realize i've obligated myself to so many things that i just want to not do any of them at all [insert - "baby steps, baby steps"].

I try to look at the big picture. In terms of the big picture, how are you actually being productive? Are you actually doing something that will benefit the world as a whole or are you simply doing enough busy work to make you feel like you're not being stagnant?

The way I see it, we are all rapidly accelerating the environmental destruction of our planet through our wasteful greed and lascivious materialism - something that will lead to the downfall of our own species at one point or another.

I mean, is it considered progress for all of us to be complicit in destroying our environment and many of it's diverse ecosystems which were once teeming with life? Is it progress that we are the biggest consumers of sweatshop manufactured goods, where woman and children make only pennies a day on which they can barely subsist? Is it progress that people are ever increasingly becoming self-seeking egocentrics because of this cutthroat competitive system that we have in place? I could go on and on...

In reality, all of what you're feeling is just a mental state which you have been trapped into. Your mindset is basically trapping you in your own little Matrix.

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