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I agree that some of this stuff is really boring, but there's enough good tracks out there in this so-called catagory to keep me interested.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 So Rodas would you consider a track such as Micro de Govia's latest Vital Spark "Mctrance"? I mean yes it has a breakdown, but I find it quite different from something with a big trance riff (which I can't stand as much anymore). It doesn't sound like it has low production values, doesn't sound "cheap". So would u consider anything with a breakdown now "McTrance"? . The breakdown isn't overly theatrical, over the top, it's there, but not taking over the track, but still quite beautiful.

To the contrary, I think.

Without taking the "all mighty" Ishkur's example of dance music, lets try to move pass the narrow.

Now, on Micro. Let's talk about Micro's "Epic Monolith ". The track got fairly high praise when it first came out. If I remember correctly, many people that followed the genre thought Micro had a very distinct sound that wasn't heard in the genre. It was different and it was almost a sound of what could've been a very promising direction. Then came his remix, and another, then an album. All with the same sound and formula that made Epic Monolith the track that it was. Now, it's not so much. Get it?

Take James Holden for another example. When "Nothing" gathered so much recognition for it's sound as did Epic Monilth, you didn't get another remix, and another remix, and another track, all following the formula that made "Nothing" a sucess. He completely changed his sound. Even though I'm not really a fan of alot of the stuff he's put out, you still gotta admire the change in direction.

I guess I could say that what alot of people are trying to say is that with 90% of producers in the genre these days, the formula sticks, and sticks, and sticks, and sticks, until it's cemented in. They (the producers / djs) don't try to branch out from that formula, because as easy as it may sound, doing so is really hard (he-he). So when they do try to branch out and change things around, there's not enough time and thought put into it, and it becomes to late. Then back full circle to what works / worked for them in the first place. Thus the cycle continues.

With all that said, I'm sure it's all more complex than that =p.

Rodas

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Originally posted by Rodas Really? I've been reading these boards for a while and don't remember that term being brought up until GDJB became popular. Please post a reference if you can, I'd love to read. Rodas

ill have a look around its in a dj mag or something like that from years ago...for some reason it stuck in my brain

why are you guys making such a big deal about one tiny word? "mcprog" some people seem to be offended by everything

some call it progressive, others call it mcprog, others call it american progressive, others call it cheddar, does it matter?

we're not going nuts over people calling dutch trance "mctrance", are we?

get a grip

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Originally posted by DJ_Massive why are you guys making such a big deal about one tiny word? "mcprog" some people seem to be offended by everything some call it progressive, others call it mcprog, others call it american progressive, others call it cheddar, does it matter? we're not going nuts over people calling dutch trance "mctrance", are we? get a grip

cause mcprog is NOT progressive. thats why it matters.

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Originally posted by DJ_Massive why are you guys making such a big deal about one tiny word? "mcprog" some people seem to be offended by everything some call it progressive, others call it mcprog, others call it american progressive, others call it cheddar, does it matter? we're not going nuts over people calling dutch trance "mctrance", are we? get a grip

Ya, c'mon guys, good music and shitty music are both one in the same. Ashley Simpson is definently comparable to all good and creative bands, it shouldn't matter....

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Originally posted by 303 cause mcprog is NOT progressive. thats why it matters.

yeah but you can keep telling them, they won't listen anyway!

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Originally posted by OurManFlint Ya, c'mon guys, good music and shitty music are both one in the same. Ashley Simpson is definently comparable to all good and creative bands, it shouldn't matter....

wtf.. i think you just missed his point completely

I've kinda given up on calling it "American Progressive", because although the sound originated in the US, it's definitely no longer limited there. In fact, ever since Armin jumped on the McProg bandwagon in 2003 (read: year of Gabriel & Dresden) it ceased to be an exclusively American style. Lost Language and Andy Moor soon hopped on, giving McProg European roots.

Conflict of the name with actual progressive artists from America is also problematic to "American Progressive".

So I nominate a different, and less regional, title for McProg: "Regressive Trance". The main problem with that name is that regressive means "to return to a previous state". McProg isn't realy returning to any previous state; it's just watering down what has come before.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 wtf.. i think you just missed his point completely

I think sarcasm was used to prove the point.

No one would consider comparing Ashleigh Simpson to U2/Led Zep/Tool/ 'name what you consider the most creative and talented band ever here', yet people seem to think it's OK to compare uncreative and formulaic prog trance tracks with an original or truly special progressive track.

It's just not right!

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Originally posted by Sinus McProg doesn't resemble progressive house in the slightest bit.. it's just slow, boring trance with a lot of twinkly sounds. Some more examples of mcprog producers: Probspot, Benz & MD, Andy Moor.

Benz & MD? That they have been played by Schulz doesn't mean automatically that's mcprog. IMO it's closer to prog house than mcprog, proghousey basslines and drums etc. They have their own style, far from those others you mentioned

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Originally posted by Rodas It'd be almost insane to label every pop tune produced since 97 (boy band invasion) until now in a similar fasion because in between there (even if not so adopted), there are some really great tracks that have came out even for the genre.

He gots nothing against boy bands and pop music fool. You officially don't "get" it.

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Originally posted by 12anceaddict He gots nothing against boy bands and pop music fool. You officially don't "get" it.

Really? I thought everybody had a problem with boy bands and pop music except pubescent girls.

Well anyway, for the impaired, let me try to try to clarify a bit more on what I meant. The comparison was made in contrast to his entire assault on the genre he stated (re. above). Every genre has it's bad apples, but a few horrible or uncreative productions, vocals, and etc don't make a whole genre bad. Thus stating that in between every genre or artform, there is innovative, stuff being put out.

So no,

you officially don't "get" it...

Fool.

But you gots great grammar, so thumbs up there (notice the satire? he-he).

Rodas

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Originally posted by Rodas The comparison was made in contrast to his entire assault on the genre he stated above. To try to clarify a bit more on what I meant (for the impaired) was that every genre has it's bad apples, but a few horrible or uncreative tracks / producers don't make a whole genre bad. Thus stating that in between every genre or artform there are great, unique, innovative, etc. stuff being put out.

You still don't get it. If you had proper reading comprehension skills you would see that he didn't insult the whole genre, but rather ASOT, Anthem Trance, Epic Trance, and Dutch Trance. God you're dense.

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Originally posted by masticateur You still don't get it.

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Yes, and you still have no life but to create another username just so you can say that I still don't get it.

Now go make another and quote and reply with the same so that you can be Mr. funnay.



Rodas

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Originally posted by Rodas Profile For masticateur Antigua Search for all posts by this user. Date Registered: Yesterday Status: tranceaddict in training Total Posts: 1 (1 posts per day) Yes, and you still have no life but to create another username just so you can say that I still don't get it. Now go make another and quote and reply with the same so that you can be Mr. funnay. Rodas

And you're Mr. Idiot with only one username.

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Originally posted by masticateur And you're Mr. Idiot with only one username.

Like I said,

Everybody hail Mr. Funnay.

Rodas

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Originally posted by masticateur If you had proper reading comprehension skills you would see that he didn't insult the whole genre, but rather ASOT, Anthem Trance, Epic Trance, and Dutch Trance. God you're dense.

Um.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Every single track that has ever been played on ASOT. Generally, all trance made with a predictable, cookie-cutter formula (the breakdown, snare roll and crescending anthem extra value meal, with a side order of inane vocals), made in minutes like a mad libs exercise and rolled off the assembly line and pressed quickly to wax so the DJ could play it on Pete Tong's show that night. This would include all Anthem Trance, Epic Trance and Dutch Trance made since 1998. Cheap, shallow junk mass-produced for quantity's sake.

Uh. Also.

Generally, all trance made with a predictable, cookie-cutter formula (the breakdown, snare roll and crescending anthem extra value meal, with a side order of inane vocals), made in minutes like a mad libs exercise and rolled off the assembly line and pressed quickly to wax so the DJ could play it on Pete Tong's show that night. This would include all Anthem Trance, Epic Trance and Dutch Trance made since 1998.

What kind of reading comprehension skills does a person need to understand that. I mean hell

gen�re Audio pronunciation of "genre" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (zh�nr)
n.

1. A type or class: �Emaciated famine victims... on television focused a new genre of attention on the continent� (Helen Kitchen).
2.
1. A category of artistic composition, as in music or literature, marked by a distinctive style, form, or content: �his six String Quartets... the most important works in the genre since Beethoven's� (Time).
2. A realistic style of painting that depicts scenes from everyday life.

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Now, Posting a definition out of a dictionary makes me sound nothing but Mr. snobbish but sorry I had no choice here than to show you that my reading comprehension skills are on top form. Example being, notice how I just grabbed that definition out of the dictionary (satire again.. he-he).

Rodas

I humbly apologize. You have defeated me in a battle of wits that only a master would be able to win. Signing your name at the end of your posts only increases your appearance of intellect.

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Originally posted by masticateur I humbly apologize. You have defeated me in a battle of wits that only a master would be able to win. Signing your name at the end of your posts only increases your appearance of intellect.

Thanks.

Although, I would've rathered a coment on my signature as it did take me some time to come up with such a rather complex theme.

Rodas

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Originally posted by masticateur I humbly apologize. You have defeated me in a battle of wits that only a master would be able to win. Signing your name at the end of your posts only increases your appearance of intellect.

I actually find it kind of classy...

Its basically what happens when person A doesnt like what person B does therefore they do the kiddy thing and make up a term to put person B down.

Thats what I got out of it.

Who thought music was all about judging people and their tastes in styles?

Sh*t I didnt know.

Spirit5 you have restored my faith in message board discussions! Not because I agree with you (which I do) but because of the way you conduct them�

McProg is mankinds way of always having to have to put a title to things. I think it is actually immature kids in some dark corner of the world trying to take the piss out of a style of music they don�t fully understand. Progressive trance should cover most of this style. Some people hate it, hence every time a forum topic comes up like this they jump into it and start abusing it�.why? Who knows, maybe the cartoons finished on tv and their hamster had to be put back in the cage. People think its waterd down trance�.but its not�.its just another form of melodic dance music, some of it gives an emotional feeling and is nice to listen to�some of it less so but pounds in a club.

A lot of people like it..but on TA some people think its not �cool� to like it and will jump at everything you say. This board is so bitchy like that�you cant express and opinion without being �wrong�.

Anyway this music is pioneering to me..and although some of the productions sound like they can be made in 10 minutes, some of it is a lot more complex. Some of the good prog-trance stuff is a lot harder to make than most genres of dance music�.and to come up with different �plinky� melodies (as some people call them) is harder than using sawtooth stabs etc, to do this and for it to sound good takes a good producer. Transatlantic is a good example, nice deep bassline, nice big melody without sounding cheesey, nice drums and intricate production.

Just my view, but its good to read spirit5`s post. We should all be more tolerant of other peoples tastes.

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Originally posted by PvD2005 I think it is actually immature kids in some dark corner of the world trying to take the piss out of a style of music they don�t fully understand.

That could be seen as valid criticism if it wasn't for what's in bold - that's just not true at all. Most people who take the piss out of "mcprog" have been long time listeners of progressive trance, or even liked "mcprog" in the beggining, then grew out of it. We understand it very well..

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Originally posted by paranoik0 That could be seen as valid criticism if it wasn't for what's in bold - that's just not true at all. Most people who take the piss out of "mcprog" have been long time listeners of progressive trance, or even liked "mcprog" in the beggining, then grew out of it. We understand it very well..

Well I'm someone whose grown out of epic trance a little. Still enjoy it but not as much. I'm also someone who owns and listens to a lot of progressive trance. Acutally at the same time I was into Tiesto and Oakenfold, Corsten and Armin, I was also into Sasha & Digweed, Dave Seaman, Nick Warren, Anthony Pappa, some Sander K, James Holden and a few others. I've always tossed between listening to epic and listening to prog, and then when I started hearing more melodic stuff like Probspot, Joni Ljungqvist, Mark Otten, Alucard, Kalafut & Fygle, Hydroid, "some" Markus Schulz and Elevation, etc, is when I realized that this stuff is a combination of the two styles i've enjoyed since 98, when I first got into this music. Yeah it doesn't quite have the energy of epic, yeah it's not "super deep or sophisticated" as the proggiest of prog, but it's logical for someone like me, to be drawn to stuff that combines both. Sure in another few years I might grow out, but you never know, in another few years this music might become more mature. You might be seeing a new "listening" style of trance that isn't made for just club consumption, but rather for home or soundtrack use. It happened to techno, I'm sure it will happen (or is happening) to trance. Heck Chicane I think was the one who started moving trance beyond the dancefloor (he was going in that direction), but sadly I haven't heard anything from him in six years.

Just to let you know, i'm NOT a huge fan of Markus Schulz, his new productions don't do much for me. I'm not a G&D fan either, ASTRC was too overplayed, and I really don't consider it "trance", that or "Beautiful Things". Nor do I listen to Armin anymore (not a huge fan anymore), I haven't listened to ASOT in over a year. I just search around and look up various songs on Beatport and AudioJelly and occasionally download a set.

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