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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I wasn't presuming to speak for any particular individual, however, you must admit that is the overwhelming sentiment in the US currently. Be careful, if you get any more apathetic you'll turn Canadian

That's like saying French women have mustaches. Or Italian-Americans are involved in the Mafia. Or Irish people live in bars. Or Candians are apathetic as you say.

Assumption will get the best of you.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 That's like saying French women have mustaches. Or Italian-Americans are involved in the Mafia. Or Irish people live in bars. Or Candians are apathetic as you say. Assumption will get the best of you.

Tell you what, when the citizens of the US finally take some action to stop the errosion of their rights and freedoms then I'll accept that they haven't fallen into the depths of apathy, however, as it presently stands one must conclude that (by and large) they have... at least on this issue. Either that or they have decided that their personal liberty should take a back seat to their collective security.... if that is the case I fear the citizens of the US will soon find themselves with neither liberty or security.

is their quality of life worth the sacrifice for War....

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Tell you what, when the citizens of the US finally take some action to stop the errosion of their rights and freedoms then I'll accept that they haven't fallen into the depths of apathy, however, as it presently stands one must conclude that (by and large) they have... at least on this issue. Either that or they have decided that their personal liberty should take a back seat to their collective security.... if that is the case I fear the citizens of the US will soon find themselves with neither liberty or security.

Tell you what stop equating Americans on a whole as do nothings. You fail to grasp what it is I just told you so lemme 'splain it for ju one more time:

Not all Americans are sitting idly by.
Not all Americans want this current war.
Not all Americans want their rights and liberties taken from them.
Just to throw a few ideas on the table.

If you stop watching ABCNNBCBS all day then maybe you can see for yourself that you speak for no one in the US.

I might as well think Canadians are uneducated with the way you're trying to imply things about Americans.

Your uneducated assessment of Americans is very very shortsighted and uninformative.

There would be a public revolt in the US if abortions were banned again.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 Tell you what stop equating Americans on a whole as do nothings. You fail to grasp what it is I just told you so lemme 'splain it for ju one more time: Not all Americans are sitting idly by. Not all Americans want this current war. Not all Americans want their rights and liberties taken from them. Just to throw a few ideas on the table. If you stop watching ABCNNBCBS all day then maybe you can see for yourself that you speak for no one in the US. I might as well think Canadians are uneducated with the way you're trying to imply things about Americans. Your uneducated assessment of Americans is very very shortsighted and uninformative.

I believe you are the one viewing things too simplistically. I acknowledge not all US citizens are sitting idle, however, too few have been moved to do anything about it. What I have stated is undeniable, there are not enough Americans who care enough about what is happening to reverse the current trend, if there were then there would be demonstrable results already. If you deny that they you clearly don't recognize what is happening in your own country.

Equating apples to oranges:

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wasn't presuming to speak for any particular individual, however, you must admit that is the overwhelming sentiment in the US currently

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there are not enough Americans who care enough about what is happening to reverse the current trend, if there were then there would be demonstrable results already

If a tree falls in a forest does it make a sound?
Just because you seem to believe that Americans are not trying to stop this war, nor stop the liars, doesn't mean nothing is being done. So stop assuming no one is doing anything. If I were to think that way then yeah you're right Canadians aren't doing squat, ay.

PICS LIKE THIS DON'T MAKE THE FRONT PAGE....THEY'RE BAD FOR BUSINESS.

Take your "was the Iraq war justifiable?" debate to a diferrent thread please

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd There would be a public revolt in the US if abortions were banned again.

If the Republicans do it, they commit political suicide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion

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A November 2005 Pew Research Center poll asked about Roe v. Wade and found that 29% of Americans want it overturned while 65% do not.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I believe you are the one viewing things too simplistically. I acknowledge not all US citizens are sitting idle, however, too few have been moved to do anything about it. What I have stated is undeniable, there are not enough Americans who care enough about what is happening to reverse the current trend, if there were then there would be demonstrable results already. If you deny that they you clearly don't recognize what is happening in your own country.

Did you happen to look at the percentages of people who voted for each candidate in the last presidential election? Bush got 51% of the vote. Let's just say it sucks for the other 49%. It sucks that the the population's growing significantly more in the areas that voted for him than in the areas where people voted against him. I guess the liberals should start reproducing like rats so that we can get represented rather than advocating population growth control.

I mean, just look at the results - http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/, then look at the birth rates - http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763849.html. It's an unsettling comparison and it's only going to get worse.

Saying that 49 percent that voted for Kerry are liberal or pro-abortion or anti-war or whatever is ludacris because that election was picking between 2 lethal poisons. I based my decision on choosing a retard i know over a retard i don't.

Americans ARE acting apthetic because alot of us leave the work up a bunch of morons who protest in union square while stoned or on something else without making a clear case. While protest warriors organize and conduct flawless and intelligent rallies. We must unite under one banner to drive this tyrant out.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers Take your "was the Iraq war justifiable?" debate to a diferrent thread please

I wasn't going there. If you go back and actualy read what was being said you'd be a little more informed and less like someone who's come in on the back end of a conversation.

I was illustrating what Americans do in their free time. If I could have shown some non-war protests I would but guess what we're in the middle of a war and I don't see you signing up to ship off into the desert.

The mans' assumptions were that Americans are sitting idly by watching their rights being taken away in one form or another. Then I get a comment like yours that was unwarranted.

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Originally posted by Lepanto Saying that 49 percent that voted for Kerry are liberal or pro-abortion or anti-war or whatever is ludacris because that election was picking between 2 lethal poisons. I based my decision on choosing a retard i know over a retard i don't.

You summed that up pretty good. But why vote? If you know they're both retarded why not make your own choice to not vote.

What would happen if no one voted?

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 You summed that up pretty good. But why vote? If you know they're both retarded why not make your own choice to not vote. What would happen if no one voted?

Because I hate people who don't vote. It's your fucking right to vote, and you should use your rights. If you don't want to vote move to a socialist country where your vote doesn't even matter.

We had to pick the lesser of two evils, wouldn't you agree, dude?

more reasons why australian political system > the US.

1) compulsory voting

2) you vote for a party, not 1 person. thus, if your leader led an attack on a country that proved bullshit, and your popularity was languishing and most constituents wanted you gone, your party could remove you & change policies without waiting another 4 years. nice!

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Originally posted by Lepanto Because I hate people who don't vote. It's your fucking right to vote, and you should use your rights. If you don't want to vote move to a socialist country where your vote doesn't even matter. We had to pick the lesser of two evils, wouldn't you agree, dude?

You also have freedom of speech should you decide to exercise that right. You have the right to be a nice person or a jerk. If people don't want to vote that is their problem. Just because you have rights and do not use them doesn't make you any less of an American or person. Just like how you hate people that don't vote, you're also exercising your rights. This is where the Liberty porton of the Declaration of Independence and the First, Ninth and Tenth Amendments to the Constitution are exerised for your benefit.

Besides with electronic voting where does your vote matter?

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 Stop throwing the Constitution in my face, it�s just a goddamned piece of paper George W. Bush A dictatorship would be a heck-of a lot easier; as long as I'm dictator George W. Bush There ought to be limits to freedom George W. Bush The Constitution is an outdated document Alberto Gonzales

Where did you get these "credible" source quotes from? I doubt their authenticity.

BTW: Do you support the WHOLE Constitution then? Even the right to bear arms, which was put in place to allow us the chance to over-throw our government by force if necessary?

All this ranting on and on about precious rights and the Constitution, but in my experience, most liberals in this country are only too ready to give up one of their most important and critical ones; The right to defend themselves from an oppressive government should things ever REALLY get bad....dumb-ass hypocrites.

^^ not this topic again donny! youre bloody obsessed with your right to shoot shit and (again) id like to see you rag-tag civilians playing army trying to fight against your armed forces in a rise up against your govt. rofl!

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 You also have freedom of speech should you decide to exercise that right. You have the right to be a nice person or a jerk. If people don't want to vote that is their problem. Just because you have rights and do not use them doesn't make you any less of an American or person. Just like how you hate people that don't vote, you're also exercising your rights. This is where the Liberty porton of the Declaration of Independence and the First, Ninth and Tenth Amendments to the Constitution are exerised for your benefit. Besides with electronic voting where does your vote matter?

Then the people who don't vote have no right to bitch.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ^^ not this topic again donny! youre bloody obsessed with your right to shoot shit and (again) id like to see you rag-tag civilians playing army trying to fight against your armed forces in a rise up against your govt. rofl!

Why not this topic? It's a MAJOR part of the Constitution, and it was a favorite of the Framer's who wrote it. It's one of our "rights" that too many are so quick to discount, yet one that the framers considered vital given history and oppression.

And if you knew ANYTHING about armed resistance and history, both recent and distant, you'd know that MANY a lightly armed guerilla force has been able to fend-off the total domination by a fully equiped military.

This "Rising up" that is being spoken of...do you think your posts on a message board or your simple vocalizing your discontent would ever be enough to stop a truly oppressive Government or Dictatorship? pffft, talk about ROFLMAO!

Hey, you know what... I heard this rumor that there is more than two candidates on the ballot when you vote...GASP! How could this slip by us!

Hey if anyone did ever consider the third party then maybe we can get both of these shit parties to change their ways. Don't like the two top candidates? Vote for the third party. The lack of money it has at least guarantees it will be less corrupt than the other two.

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Originally posted by The Greek Hey, you know what... I heard this rumor that there is more than two candidates on the ballot when you vote...GASP! How could this slip by us! Hey if anyone did ever consider the third party then maybe we can get both of these shit parties to change their ways. Don't like the two top candidates? Vote for the third party. The lack of money it has at least guarantees it will be less corrupt than the other two.

"Fine, throw your vote away!"

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Originally posted by donnybrasco Where did you get these "credible" source quotes from? I doubt their authenticity.

http://www.google.com

Right click then copy and paste.

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BTW: Do you support the WHOLE Constitution then? Even the right to bear arms, which was put in place to allow us the chance to over-throw our government by force if necessary?

Yes, wholeheartedly, I support it. Although sedition is a powerful word which is what you're implying I should support but don't.

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All this ranting on and on about precious rights and the Constitution, but in my experience, most liberals in this country are only too ready to give up one of their most important and critical ones; The right to defend themselves from an oppressive government should things ever REALLY get bad....dumb-ass hypocrites.

I agree with you there.

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Originally posted by Lepanto Then the people who don't vote have no right to bitch.

Bitching is guaranteed free speech is it not?

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Because I hate people who don't vote. It's your fucking right to vote, and you should use your rights.

You just bitched didn't you? Then why say "people who don't vote have no right to bitch"?

You make it a mandate for people to vote based on rights but you're so willing to eliminate their right to free speech.

America America!! Is it beautiful? America America!

Yes, it is beautiful because the real power behind the scene outsmarted communinists all forms of government and enemies in and out of the borders. They have pacifide all Americans and more than half the world because everywhere you go(or at least most places) you will see Coca cola.

This political bullshit is incredibly stupid. All words but no action is what they want us to do and it is what the American people do. Things will never change unless blood is shed. And that asking for Americans to do against their government is a hard thing to ask since our government has given us our "freedom".

"Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been tried..." - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by ogvh5150

it is also a right to bear arms, do you fully support that? hmm. I don't think that most people who use your argument would actually support the gun laws and automatic weapons using the comparision that you've just used. don't want to vote, fine but then you can't complain cause it's irrational

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