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Steve Lawler - Lights Out 3 FTW!
Check out Lights Out 1 and 2 as well...
Satoshi Tomiie FTW as well 
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| Originally posted by Oldman1313 you people think this is a phase, or has my taste changed completely. Does this happen to other people!?! |
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| Originally posted by Belgian Bonzai My best guess is that you'll be appreciating a wider variety of music in the future; you'll miss certain trance elements and will search for tracks that incorporate elements from both sides. Your average tempo will fall by 5bpm. Optionally, you will later come in contact with good psy (in my time that was still called Goa, feel free to teach me the fundamental difference) and love that. Then you'll wait and see that all these seperate branches are seemingly becoming vaguer and vaguer, as the tree of EDM grows to maturity and the vertex gets more compact. And love that process. |
I wouldn't listen to suggestions from anyone cause It will probably bias your opinion before you listen to it.
If someone says its the best cd you probably wouldn't agree, and where someone says its a bad cd you may love it.
Just listen to everything and branch off from that. If you like holden, then listen to all of holdens stuff, and stuff from his label then other artists and cds they have made from his label.
www.discogs.com
uhm, congrats?
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| Originally posted by I <3 NY You gotta love how progressive house gets thrown around like a fuckin baseball in a gino toss. wtf, stop using PROGRESSIVE HOUSE to describe any other form of music other than trance, its so lame its almost as dirty as the word trance now. |
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| Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Progressive house practically is trance. It's so trancey that a lot of trance has been mistakenly labelled prog house |
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| Originally posted by Roger Federer can you explain to me in detail how prog. house is akin to trance ? |
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| Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Compared to real trance |
Before McProg, before Epic, before Progressive. Just raw trance. No complications. The base template the genre is taken from.
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| Originally posted by Oldman1313 what would you suggest man? |
Progressive dance music
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Progressive dance music (occasionally progressive electronic dance music or prog) is a collection of electronic music genres which draw upon the concepts of progressive music and include the subgenres of progressive trance, progressive house, progressive techno and progressive breaks.
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1 Overview
2 Progressive house
3 Progressive trance
4 Progressive breaks
5 Progressive psytrance
6 Progressive drum & bass
7 Similarities in progressive genres
8 Artists and labels
9 Online Radio
10 External links
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Overview
Most electronic dance music tracks released are produced with certain features that are favourable for DJs to beatmatch records togher with an almost seamless sound to it. Unlike the obvious song structures of genres like hard house or Hi-NRG, the peaks and troughs in a progressive dance track tend to be less obvious. Layering different sounds on top of each other and slowly bringing them in and out of the mix is a key idea behind the progressive movement.
When discussing progressive electronic styles, the term "progressive" typically refers to the progressive structure (that changes occur incrementally, as in the case of progressive house). The exception is progressive trance, since trance is typically progressive in structure already. Progressive trance usually refers to a type of trance music that's minimalistic and more beat and percussion centric.
In the case of progressive house, the term 'progressive' can also refer to the style's open mindedness to bring in new features to prog-house tracks. Such elements can be almost anything, like a guitar loop, computer generated noises, typical elements of other music genres etc. Please consider that this feature makes the genre change all the time, apparently faster than the other electronic genres (trance, techno, ...).
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Progressive house
Progressive house has its origins in Britain in the early 1990s, with the output of the Guerrilla record label and Leftfield's first singles (particularly "Song of Life") inspiring, according to various accounts, either Genesis P-Orridge of Throbbing Gristle fame or then Mixmag editor Dom Phillips to coin the term. In 1992, what was to be the first superclub, Renaissance threw open its doors in the small mining town of Mansfield, and its DJs - particularly Sasha and the then-unknown John Digweed - were instrumental in pushing the sound in its early days. The music itself consisted of the 4-to-floor beat of house music allied to deeper, dub-influenced basslines and a more melancholic, emotional edge. Often, the ethereal "swirly" textures of early trance could be heard in the mix, and various other elements from across the electronic spectrum. "Song of Life", for instance, has a trip-hop like down-pitched breakbeat and a high-energy Roland TB-303 riff at various stages.
The centre-of-gravity of the sound, so to speak, has shifted over the years. After the release of Brian Transeau's (aka BT) debut album "Ima", for instance, the bulk of the style's records were in a more ethereal, melodic style. (That record was also an enormous influence on the nascent progressive trance sound.) Then, as trance became more and more popular and melodic, prog darkened and acted as a deliberately underground counterpoint, merging with tribal house to produce many very minimal percussive tracks as this decade kicked off. Modern progressive house tracks have innovative bass lines and strong closed atmospheric sounds. This particular style made the rise of a new sub genre, 'Dark House'. (It also marked the return to the sound of Sasha and Digweed, who had picked up and popularised the progressive trance sound in the interim.)
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Progressive trance
Progressive trance is popular sub-genre in trance music and contains elements of house, techno and ambient music. The basic formula of trance became even more focused on the anthemic qualities and melodies, moving away from predictable arpeggiated analog synth patterns (aka acid synth lines). Acoustic elements and spacey pads became popular, compositions leaned towards incremental changes (aka progressive structures), sometimes composed in thirds (like Brian Transeau frequently does). The sound became more and more ethereal and heavenly. Progressive trance contains very intuitive elements, such as unusual basslines or original synths, which generally make it more "catchy".
The structure of progressive trance is different from a typical techno track. The introduction generally starts with slower ambient beats. Following this section is a "breakdown" and then the main melody. Electronic effects and vocals are usually in both the intro and the coda.
Phrases can be any multiple of 4 bars (4-8-12-16 etc.) in most typical progressive trance tracks. Phrases usually begin with the introduction of a new or different melody, or the introduction of hi-hats to the track. In progressive trance there may be four more simultaneous layers.
Known artists in this electronic music genre include Brian Transeau, James Holden, Luke Chable, DJs Sasha and John Digweed. Newer artists include Terje Bakke, The Last Atlant, Hydroid, Gerry Cueto.
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Progressive breaks
Progressive breaks is a relatively recent phenomenon, essentially growing out of nu skool breaks and progressive house. However, Way Out West was fusing progressive house, trance and breaks in a successful commercial fashion with "The Gift" and "Domination" in 1996 with Hybrid introducing "Symphony" the same year. It is mostly of a trancier feel, with plenty of atmospheric pads and melodies. Most artists working in the genre also work in its immediate relatives too, with only the likes of Hybrid really sticking to it consistently. That said, it is one of the more exciting developments on the progressive scene.
Progressive breaks artists include Digital Witchcraft, Momu, Hybrid and progressive house artists include Leftfield, BT, Steve Porter; however, the lines between these progressive styles and progressive trance, as groups such as Way Out West and Fluke have shown with their works, are less pronounced now than they were originally.
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Progressive psytrance
Progressive psytrance is the progressive form of psychedelic trance. Some see it as the evolution of minimalist trance. Important artists in the genre include Son Kite, Krueger & Coyle , Vibrasphere, Sensient, Phacelift, Krumelur and Igneous Sauria. Contrary to mainstream progressive trance, psy-progressive is usually not as uplifting as it puts more focus on sound production rather than melody. The structure is not well-defined as in most other styles of progressive trance.
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Progressive drum & bass
There are a few forms of Drum & Bass which are considered progressive. Neurofunk, a progression of the Techstep subgenre incorporates elements of Jazz and Funk along with multiple electronic influences including Techno and Trance. The style also follows traditional progressive form, building up to a peak of intensity. Drumfunk, a relatively new subgenre, is also considered progressive by many, along with Techstep itself.
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Similarities in progressive genres
Since about 2000, progressive house and progressive trance have mostly converged, it's very difficult to differentiate one from another. While the faster (130-140bpm), more energetic records can continue to be classified as progressive trance, most producers from both styles have moved towards a softer, slower (110-130bpm) sound, and prefer to be classified as progressive house. In addition since 2000 many psychedelic trance artists also moved to a slower (125-138bpm) range branding their style as progressive trance or progressive psytrance.
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Cheers sandstorm !
As Wikipedia has stated, there is a difference between modern day prog. house and trance. I would venture to say that the only form of prog. house that is close to trance is melodic prog. and its evil twin McProg.
That being said, it should be quite obvious to anyone that there is a difference between Sultan,Cattaneo, and Tomiie vs. Armin,PVD,etc. Thus my rationale why modern day prog. house is vastly different than trance.
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| Originally posted by Roger Federer Cheers sandstorm ! As Wikipedia has stated, there is a difference between modern day prog. house and trance. I would venture to say that the only form of prog. house that is close to trance is melodic prog. and its evil twin McProg. That being said, it should be quite obvious to anyone that there is a difference between Sultan,Cattaneo, and Tomiie vs. Armin,PVD,etc. Thus my rationale why modern day prog. house is vastly different than trance. |
I was wondering when people would start talking about "progressive" dnb. I always thought it would be the stuff Ishkur calls trancestep, particularly the stuff that's just trance anthems with spastic breakbeats and loud angry basslines. As in, the stuff Dieselboy's been playing lately.
Next up, progressive hardcore. 
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Really, this is just the second step on a journey. Eventually, you'll find yourself liking more and more styles of music, and you'll get to the point where you're enjoying things outside of EDM as well, like post-rock and indie. I don't think it's necessarily trance that does it to people, I think that there are just people who are drawn to good music, and develop a taste for all music that is good. It doesn't depend on where you start from, you'll just find your tastes growing more eclectic over time.
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| Originally posted by Roger Federer That being said, it should be quite obvious to anyone that there is a difference between Sultan,Cattaneo, and Tomiie vs. Armin,PVD,etc. Thus my rationale why modern day prog. house is vastly different than trance. |
After trance started "decay", I started search more diff. stuff, nowadays, instead trance I like more techno followed by more prog/techy/funky house...
kinda sebastian leger music or lucien foort sets...
Kinda went from psy/goa to uplifting to deep trance or whatever and now prog/tribal house (trance-house, dark house? bleh, billion genres). I'm not WTF'ing about it though, it's probably just as much the fact that trance has changed as it is my taste changing.
Heh, my tastes are still evolving as well, even though I've been listening to EDM for more than half of my life.
Lately I've noticed my tastes are getting broader and broader again, in the sense that in the past, I somewhat jumped between genres (trance, progressive, Swedish techno, Eastern European (offbeat) stuff, more minimal stuff, and back to progressive) wheras I now listen to most of those next to each other. It has become increasingly difficult for me to say what is my favourite blend of EDM, it really depends on the mood I'm in.
I've even been regaining a liking for trance in the past few weeks, especially the Hook stuff and things similar to that. Something I didn't imagine happening a year or so ago.
It's all about broadening your tastes and picking what you like best from each stall on the market that is EDM. Or something like that.
now i know what is mcprog is
. all i know is good music and bad music.
EDM is all about how elitist you can be.
You're one level more elitist if you hate trance because it's cheesy and like house because you're more mature. One level above that if you hate house because it's too energetic and sit at home on a friday night, listening to minimal Swedish techno on iTunes while sipping an obscure Czech beer because you're too underground to go to parties. And some may argue that those that can still appreciate happy hardcore and gabber for the PLURR may be the most elitist of all. It's all subjective.
I forego the complications. I listen to what I like, and I listen to a LOT of EDM genres - trance (my strongest love), hardcore, hardstyle, house, prog, tech-house, electro, tribal, breaks, ambient, etc...
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| Originally posted by dittoalex I forego the complications. I listen to what I like, and I listen to a LOT of EDM genres - trance (my strongest love), hardcore, hardstyle, house, prog, tech-house, electro, tribal, breaks, ambient, etc... |
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| Originally posted by thoughtlessjex And somehow many people who reach this point forget that they are in fact in the highest echelon of EDM elitism, that of maximum eclecticism. I suppose that there's a level higher though; Those that have reached maximum eclecticism and know that their elitist because of it, and use their knowledge as grounds for even more elitism. |
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| Originally posted by dittoalex No-no-no. It's okay, I'm not elitist because I listen to Scooter. Or does that make me even more elitist? |
Where is Ishkur when you need him? 
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