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Originally posted by miamitranceman Booooooger.....reeeeeeaaaallllyyyy... You of all people should know Tij plays Blue Circles all the time.

That doesn't mean i have to like it?

Its obviously fashionable to use the Andy Moor TM soundbank... but i can't stand that twinkle fodder- whatever its called.


My point wasn't made in dis-taste or even to weigh in my (unfounded) opinion on the matter... but more to see if Harding was truthful. Is he actually going to take critique from here on board and actually make something that sounds good? or what?

Seems to me like he is just kissing ass in this thread. To try and make the problem go away. The problem being another one of those "found out" producers who don't give the hired help credit... whether they have requested it or not.

There is no problem with getting some help, or having sound technicians, but now Niklas is getting bookings and making a name for himself through those productions, it would be nice if some of the fame went to the unsung hero thats all.

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Originally posted by 8Wonders I think the reason why it was even brought up is that most people just presume that they are produced 100% by Niklas alone, becuase 'the other guy' barely gets mentioned.

and thats sad because the other guy does everything musically wise as niklas cant read notes/doesnt have have the feeling for notes...according to that pm. Why produce music with your name when you dont even make the most essential parts of it (notes, harmonies)....its fake.

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! There is no problem with getting some help, or having sound technicians, but now Niklas is getting bookings and making a name for himself through those productions, it would be nice if some of the fame went to the unsung hero thats all.

To be fair, having a track on armada hardly catches promoters eyes

Ive had a few listens to the Niklas Harding Remix,

Its pretty average in my books, just seems a little bit rushed (i could be wrong)
It just seems to distract the attention from that main dark loop, which really makes this track work
Ive listened to a few of his other tracks, and they are soundly produced,
But this one dosnt do it for me


Original Mix 9.5/10
Niklas Harding Remix 5/10

i like both

I like the original mix. The remix doesnt sound as great.

Original works, the remix, not s'much.

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Originally posted by Stino and thats sad because the other guy does everything musically wise as niklas cant read notes/doesnt have have the feeling for notes...according to that pm. Why produce music with your name when you dont even make the most essential parts of it (notes, harmonies)....its fake.

both of you guys asume, that im basicly not doing anything on these tracks, curious how you are able to do that with the limitied amount of information you got on me and Anders Mikkelsen's way or working together! I will get him to reply on the issue, that might help your level of information a bit, if you dont trust my words. and sure i do know how to read basic notes, chords etc, ive been playing piano a couple of years back, when i was younger, is there anything wrong with getting better at that?

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! That doesn't mean i have to like it? Its obviously fashionable to use the Andy Moor TM soundbank... but i can't stand that twinkle fodder- whatever its called. My point wasn't made in dis-taste or even to weigh in my (unfounded) opinion on the matter... but more to see if Harding was truthful. Is he actually going to take critique from here on board and actually make something that sounds good? or what? Seems to me like he is just kissing ass in this thread. To try and make the problem go away. The problem being another one of those "found out" producers who don't give the hired help credit... whether they have requested it or not. There is no problem with getting some help, or having sound technicians, but now Niklas is getting bookings and making a name for himself through those productions, it would be nice if some of the fame went to the unsung hero thats all.

i do take criticizm to me when its usefull, lines like you wrote (Mcprog crap etc), i honestly couldnt use much to improve the stuff we do. I heard u didnt like the so called andy moor bassline, il take that into consideration next time working on a track. Thanks.

Taste differs from person to person, its rather impossible to make tracks that everybody loves.

and sure i do credit the guy involved, everywhere where i can! homepage, label info on the 12", interviews etc etc.

Niklas Harding: try to listen to other djs than Markus Schulz, Armin and Andy Moor. It's pretty obvious that you were influenced by the Andy Moor sound which by now pretty much everyone is copying. In other words if you don't want to end up with a massivly boring tune go for other influences.

But on the other hand if you are doing the tunes for yourself you are free to use anyones sound. It's just that this basslines have been whored to death by so many now hardly anyone will remember tunes like this one i 3 months.

Matthew Dekay:

Sound Revolt: You prefer to be called producer or musician?
Matthew Dekay: I�m more like a musician. I was taking piano lessons when I was only 5, so I started as a musician. Being a producer is some other job and you�re not the artist then. It�s all about sound and arrangements... I chose both but in the first place I�m a musician.





I have nothing against Niklas Harding.
I do have something against producers parading as technically gifted individuals when all they have done is hum their idea or choose what direction to go with their sound technician.


2 Niklas,
Your site is currently not loading here but i'm looking forward to viewing the pages for your praise of your studio partner
Might restore some of my faith in you away from this topic.


Completely on topic: the original rocks. By far JPL's best work - sadly i feel the release is timed a little late.. as most of the people i know were raving this tune 6 months ago when it was in Tijs' playlist... now its erm... exactly.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 Niklas Harding: try to listen to other djs than Markus Schulz, Armin and Andy Moor. It's pretty obvious that you were influenced by the Andy Moor sound which by now pretty much everyone is copying. In other words if you don't want to end up with a massivly boring tune go for other influences.

wow i hope he will not listen to you
As he said before, no one can do music that everyone likes and im glad he is doing this so called "mcprog" because it fuckin rocks. Boring for some not for others.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 Niklas Harding: try to listen to other djs than Markus Schulz, Armin and Andy Moor. It's pretty obvious that you were influenced by the Andy Moor sound which by now pretty much everyone is copying. In other words if you don't want to end up with a massivly boring tune go for other influences. But on the other hand if you are doing the tunes for yourself you are free to use anyones sound. It's just that this basslines have been whored to death by so many now hardly anyone will remember tunes like this one i 3 months.

i know mate, but if you actually listen to my dj sets, you would say something else.. im playing everything from axwell, ozgur can, to ur so called andy moor tracks, and more regular trance. Try check recent tracklists of mine at this board.

ofcause its not my goal to sound to much like anybody else, i produce in the lines of what i like the most. And ofcause il take it into concideration for future tracks. But again, its hard to make something that nobody have made before, though we will try to do so.

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! I have nothing against Niklas Harding. I do have something against producers parading as technically gifted individuals when all they have done is hum their idea or choose what direction to go with their sound technician. 2 Niklas, Your site is currently not loading here but i'm looking forward to viewing the pages for your praise of your studio partner Might restore some of my faith in you away from this topic.

and i can honestly say that im not. I basicly just enjoy doing what i do with my partner in crime, and just being happy if anybody likes what we do.

yeah dont know why it was down, webserver update or something, should be back up soon!

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Originally posted by trancedanne wow i hope he will not listen to you As he said before, no one can do music that everyone likes and im glad he is doing this so called "mcprog" because it fuckin rocks. Boring for some not for others.

believe me. you will get bored too really soon. any sound that is whored to death dies out. so did goa trance in the 90s.
you propably think that Probspot, Andy Moor and Schulz are your trance heroes today but within 3 years no one want to be associated with the sound they resemble.

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Originally posted by Niklas Harding i know mate, but if you actually listen to my dj sets, you would say something else.. im playing everything from axwell, ozgur can, to ur so called andy moor tracks, and more regular trance.

funny enough �zgur Can and Axwell are the ones who practically every djs play now; Armin, Schulz etc. and I honestly cant think of any good tune �zgur made lately. Not anything new under the sun.

With broaden your horizon I meant that you should check out other djs who doesn't play the typical ASOT material.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 funny enough �zgur Can and Axwell are the ones who practically every djs play now; Armin, Schulz etc. and I honestly cant think of any good tune �zgur made lately. Not anything new under the sun. With broaden your horizon I meant that you should check out other djs who doesn't play the typical ASOT material.

and the discussion goes on... i guess that was a bad example then, try look at the latest tracklist of mine:
http://www.uktrancealliance.com/for...34&hl=westbronx

dont know if that is the usual asot tracks? ofcause there will be some, in ur so called term. Cause thats the direction i preffer. But im still listning to a wide name of dj's in different genres. did it become criminil to preffer a certain genre? or am i now only allowed to listen and play tracks, that is so underground, that nobody have heard of any of the producers before?

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Originally posted by Niklas Harding and the discussion goes on... i guess that was a bad example then, try look at the latest tracklist of mine: http://www.uktrancealliance.com/for...34&hl=westbronx dont know if that is the usual asot tracks? ofcause there will be some, in ur so called term. Cause thats the direction i preffer. But im still listning to a wide name of dj's in different genres. did it become criminil to preffer a certain genre? or am i now only allowed to listen and play tracks, that is so underground, that nobody have heard of any of the producers before?

im not so much into underground either.
it's just that its boring to see people copying the top djs tracklists and playing out the same tunes.
there is loads of great non-underground trance out there which isnt highlighted because Armin or Tiesto doesnt play it.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 im not so much into underground either. it's just that its boring to see people copying the top djs tracklists and playing out the same tunes. there is loads of great non-underground trance out there which isnt highlighted because Armin or Tiesto doesnt play it.

My opinion of that is simple - they're the ones most widely available too. You could pretty much chart the release date of digital releases by analysing ETN dj's playlists!

Unfortunately on the most part i think those guys have some kind of justification that it works or that its a good track because it was selected by XXXX uber-dj.



01. Karen Overton - Your Loving Arms (Club Mix) ISOS5
02. Niyaz - Dilruba (Junkie XL Remix)asot
03. Supermodels From Paris - Keep On (JC1 Remix)asot/anjuna
04. Kings of Tomorrow - 6pm (Mark Knight & Martijn Ten Velden Mix)
05. Sam Perez & Dariush - Across The Ocean (Max Graham Remix)
06. ID
07. Yoshimoto - Du What U Du (Trentem�ller Mix) who isn't?
08. Group Therapy Featuring Nat Leonard - Faith Again (Luke Chable Vocal Mix)
09. James Holden - A Break In The Clouds (The Lamp Chops Whaddyamean It's Super Tigga Rigga Wigga Mix)
10. Swoop - Black Market (�zg�r Can Remix)
11. JDOTP - Sharing Is Caring
12. A Boy Called Joni - Green Astronauts tijs
13. ID
14. Blank & Jones - Revealed (Niklas Harding Remix)
15. HKN - What If I Do
16. Glenn Frantz - Final Round
17. Lange vs. Gareth Emery - Three asot
18. Nic Chagall - Monday Bar lol
19. San & Sebastian Moore - Night Eyes (Niklas Harding Presents Blackout Remix)


I'll concede there is some interesting inclusions actually.

sorry to hijack the thread but niklas do you know if the break in the clouds remix will be released? first heard it in shilohs january mix and i love it!

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Originally posted by Tenshi sorry to hijack the thread but niklas do you know if the break in the clouds remix will be released? first heard it in shilohs january mix and i love it!

i actually dont know, sorry to say.

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Originally posted by Niklas Harding i actually dont know, sorry to say.

well thanks anyways

After one listen I think that original is better one. Niklas Harding Remix is good one too, but I have to agree what you have said before. Bassline is too much Andy Moorish. But anyway two nice versions.

Rebel9 You seem to come off pretty childish in this thread.

Every accusation you had for hawadi he explained and yet you still look for a reason to argue.

Hawadi plays ASOT style of shit, its his choice, just because you dont like it is hardly a reason to change his style.

You guys are biting his head off for something a billion of other DJs are doing everyday.


Hawadi is still very very young, takes many years to make your own style, you think Cox, Morillo, Guetta came up with their style after a year or 2 ? try 15.

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Originally posted by Tayfoon Rebel9 You seem to come off pretty childish in this thread. Every accusation you had for hawadi he explained and yet you still look for a reason to argue. Hawadi plays ASOT style of shit, its his choice, just because you dont like it is hardly a reason to change his style. You guys are biting his head off for something a billion of other DJs are doing everyday. Hawadi is still very very young, takes many years to make your own style, you think Cox, Morillo, Guetta came up with their style after a year or 2 ? try 15.

+1

Is it just me or does the Original Mix sounds a bit like Nathan Fake's Outhouse in a way?

OMG I just stepped on someones toes.
Sorry for saying that this tune didn't impress me.

This reminds me:
A well known producer (not gonna mention his name) which have been on ASOT several times posted a sample of a new tune he was working with a while ago. Practically all the replies were like "OMG CHOOOON!", "MASSIVE FUCKIN GREAT!!" etc.
The tune was really boring and the structure was poor. I wrote that, then the guy msg:ed me and said that out of all those replies he got he took mine most seriously. Why? Because the others were sheeps who think any guy which have been on ASOT is the next God and no matter what crap he produce they will bow to it. But someone who can honestly say what needs to be done better etc is worth more than any of the sheep comments.

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