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ASOT 2006 Part 2
ASOT 2006 Part 3
ASOT 2006 Part 4

Like it's not gonna happen...

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Originally posted by Nayil ermmmmmm technology ? you can have more options than tt/cd player/whatsoever ?

yes, technology is a good thing.
but i guess armin must be showcasing himself as an "artist", cause this kind of mixes don't have anything to do with DJing, imo.

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Originally posted by DJ_Massive yes, technology is a good thing. but i guess armin must be showcasing himself as an "artist", cause this kind of mixes don't have anything to do wih DJing, imo.

Pretty much every dj does this now.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT Pretty much every dj does this now.

That's not necessarily a good thing.

I have it from a rather reputable source that ASOT 2006 will have 7 tracks from Anjunabeats artists, including 3 from Above & Beyond. The only confirmed one so far is Arksun - Arisen, which is honestly rather good.

Which means all you Above & Beyond haters can write off the CD 2 months in advance. It's not often I'll give you that opportunity.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT Pretty much every dj does this now.

Well shame on them
There will always be artists and djs who will continue doing it for the love of music.
Just have to dig a little deeper

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Originally posted by DJ RJT That's not necessarily a good thing.

It is when you are selling it for 15+ dollars. I'd like no trainwrecks or messups in my dj mix cd's, especially when I am paying more then I think I should be for them. When I go see the dj live, yeah... using a computer program could be a little too much for me to watch him do instead of interacting with the crowd and showing some true skill. Maybe this is why I am beginning to take less interest in PvD these days.

this should almost be another thread titled "Ableton live vs. TTs/CDJs" or "technology vs. talent" whatever you want to call it. But i'll weigh in...

If you want to really make use of Ableton, I think you should use it to not just mix tracks but add stuff to them, like Sasha. Rework the tracks, make them different. I mean Sasha seemed to work really hard on Involver. I didn't view the songs on ASOT 2005 as that different from the originals. Sure he made edits and changed things around slightly in tracks, but nothing significant. Technology is best used when it is utilized. Just making a mix on Ableton is boring. If thats all your going to do then all you should just use is MixMeister or Traktor, or just TTs or CDJs (even though with CDJs, there's so much more you can do, I haven't even utilized them yet because I'm still trying to get my beatmatching spot on with them, only have had them for 7 months, with not much practicing..been busy with school, but I want to explore the looping capabilities more and do some fancier stuff then just mix). Just my two cents..

it does'nt matter if PVD is using the PC or not... its his talent to mix the music & produce that makes him unique... Besdies why do people care so much about this if technology changes... i mean come on were in 2006 not 1975

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Originally posted by Spirit5 this should almost be another thread titled "Ableton live vs. TTs/CDJs" or "technology vs. talent" whatever you want to call it. But i'll weigh in... If you want to really make use of Ableton, I think you should use it to not just mix tracks but add stuff to them, like Sasha. Rework the tracks, make them different. I mean Sasha seemed to work really hard on Involver. I didn't view the songs on ASOT 2005 as that different from the originals. Sure he made edits and changed things around slightly in tracks, but nothing significant. Technology is best used when it is utilized. Just making a mix on Ableton is boring. If thats all your going to do then all you should just use is MixMeister or Traktor, or just TTs or CDJs (even though with CDJs, there's so much more you can do, I haven't even utilized them yet because I'm still trying to get my beatmatching spot on with them, only have had them for 7 months, with not much practicing..been busy with school, but I want to explore the looping capabilities more and do some fancier stuff then just mix). Just my two cents..

If you want to make a professional mix cd using software what difference does it make in the software that you would prefer to use? A lot of you really aren't making any sense at all...

And sure he made that "megamix" thing but seriously, that's been done before, without the use of ableton. I recall a DJ called "too kool chris" making big megamixes back in the day (hard house, mixed with cheese), and so does Bad Boy Bill (with just hard and funky house). But I hate megamixes, and IMO aren't appropriate for trance music...

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT If you want to make a professional mix cd using software what difference does it make in the software that you would prefer to use? A lot of you really aren't making any sense at all...

The difference is that with technology should come innovation. Technology improves upon and adds to already existing technology. Like cars, they are evolving, and so will DJing. The blurring from DJ and producer will become greater and greater, they will be one and the same. To me Sasha is a true artist DJ, some of these other guys look to just be playing tunes out, but not making use of all the technology at their disposel. I think it would be nice to have more artist DJ mixes (conceptual DJ mixes perhaps), and not just a play out of tunes, well thats at least what it seems like to me.

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Originally posted by Miami it does'nt matter if PVD is using the PC or not... its his talent to mix the music & produce that makes him unique...

PvD is the only DJ who can get away with mixing a proggy/housey track (let's take that D-Nox & Beckers track he's been hammering as an example) right AFTER a bunch of pumping trance tracks..and then happily return to hands in the air pumping trance. Worst build-up ever
crazy world we live in

Just to clarify, I am talking about this in the context of mix CDs, not neccessarily playing out. I don't think it should be expected that every trance DJ should be an Eddie Halliwell or James Zambiela, or a Sasha for that matter. Just playing out tunes in a club is fine, but perhaps offering something different for a change with mix CDs. Like i said, I didn't see that big of a difference with the tunes on ASOT 2005 to their originals, but maybe there is and I just am not aware of it...

Edit: I don't think every track should be totally different from the original either, but a balance between them. Perhaps a balance between artist or conceptual mix CDs and mix CDs that just focus on the originals or remixes of the track. Just think this would be nice...to truly make use of the technology. If Sasha, and even PvD can do it (esp with the first Politics Of Dancing) then I'm sure more DJs can do it as well...

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Originally posted by Reactic armin said in an interview, that it will be "the next level" of his cd mix series, so we will get an imporoved version of asot 2005 I think..

does that mean we can forget about the 000 series? [ending with 004 - Transparence?]

that's kind of disappointing.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT It is just the selection of tunes on the cd's that I am not too impressed with. There are a lot of songs in his ASOT shows that he simply doesn't play in his live gigs and throws on these ASOT cd's.

Actually, when I saw him live in chicago last year; I heard a good chunk of tracks from ASOT2005 - i dunno if that was a one time occurance, but it was pretty slick.

+edit+

what was actually kinda cool was that he kept switching; going from a track from "light" to "dark" and back and forth [obviously with some others in there too]. so that kind of made it a different listening experience i suppose.

what was the deal with ASOT 2005 disc 2 being incredibly short?
yeah, ill probably buy this tho

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Originally posted by eye_03 what was the deal with ASOT 2005 disc 2 being incredibly short? yeah, ill probably buy this tho

ULTRA, the company that released it in the USA cut the album short by 3 tracks on CD2 and 2 tracks on CD1.

hopefully they will not do this with '06

why does every hate the fact that mixing it with ableton is dumb?

this mix compilation is going to be released nationwide so what it should sound like is as professional as possible. nothing can beatmatch as well as computer. with cd or vinyl you can go offbeat for 1 kick. its not a matter of laziness, its a matter of market and sounding good. just because hes using ableton doesnt mean it sucks.

another comment i hear alot from people when talkin about armin is 'all his sets sound like ASOT'. what else can you expect from the guy? he plays about 20 songs every week in each episode i assume. how can you keep up with 20 new tracks every week? what else do you want the guy to play? whatever he plays on ASOT is what he likes, and he plays to the audience what he likes. i understand the fact that it might be boring but what can you do? as long as this guy has his radio show, he will sound boring elsewhere to some people. but the radio show itself isnt a bad idea.

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Originally posted by stefanoc whatever he plays on ASOT is what he likes, and he plays to the audience what he likes.

He has said in an interview that this is not true.

EDIT - To clarify what I said, he often plays what he likes, but not every track he plays is something that he is into. Like you said, he has a two hour show every week, and he has to fill it up somehow, so he resorts to playing some tracks just because he knows his fans want to hear them.

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Originally posted by DJ_Massive Don't get your hopes up. Surely it'll be another Ableton-constructed studio mix, containing the "greatest" new armind tunes. Listen to the upcoming ASOT episodes, add a few unreleased killarggs and there's the new cd.

what is Ableton-constructed studio mix??

i read it before

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Originally posted by tubularbills Actually, when I saw him live in chicago last year; I heard a good chunk of tracks from ASOT2005 - i dunno if that was a one time occurance, but it was pretty slick. +edit+ what was actually kinda cool was that he kept switching; going from a track from "light" to "dark" and back and forth [obviously with some others in there too]. so that kind of made it a different listening experience i suppose.

I wouldn't doubt he did. First time I saw him he played a lot of tracks he played on his recent ASOT shows. Was a fabulous night!!!!

This news doesn't excite me much, and I don't think I'll be buying the CD.

im looking forward for this album, hopefully this compliation will be much better than ASOT 2005.

can we expect to see some appearances of some of the same artists and producers from the previous album releases such as nu frequency, elevation, interstate, mike shiver, or anyone like that??

I'm not gonna buy this CD, but would like to see the tracklist..

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