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Hmmm,

Actually when I think about this, the ability to change the key of a track makes it sound very interesting.

Someone who knows how to use the colour effect could in theory make some very interesting transitions. Two tracks in the same key and same BPM could be turned into a key lift mix and so on.

On the down side, I have always found that this type of effect always has a really bad effect on the kick and low end frequencies so it would be intersting to see how it handles that.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Hmmm, Actually when I think about this, the ability to change the key of a track makes it sound very interesting. Someone who knows how to use the colour effect could in theory make some very interesting transitions. Two tracks in the same key and same BPM could be turned into a key lift mix and so on. On the down side, I have always found that this type of effect always has a really bad effect on the kick and low end frequencies so it would be intersting to see how it handles that. Cheers Nem

But it doesn't actually change the key of the track, just pushes it in to a perfect version of they key is is already closest to. So if a track was in A and you pushed it slightly off to beatmatch it, the mixer would have the ability to put it back in to a perfect A again. Or that's how I understood it from the description anyway. I'll watch the video later when i get home.

Also remember that if you use master tempo on your CDJ's this isn't really necessary...

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Originally posted by est But it doesn't actually change the key of the track, just pushes it in to a perfect version of they key is is already closest to. So if a track was in A and you pushed it slightly off to beatmatch it, the mixer would have the ability to put it back in to a perfect A again. Or that's how I understood it from the description anyway. I'll watch the video later when i get home.

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Originally posted by est But it doesn't actually change the key of the track, just pushes it in to a perfect version of they key is is already closest to. So if a track was in A and you pushed it slightly off to beatmatch it, the mixer would have the ability to put it back in to a perfect A again. Or that's how I understood it from the description anyway. I'll watch the video later when i get home.

Maybe I misunderstood but I thought that this was something that you manipulated by hand.

If that's all it is then it's a bit pointless if you ask me.

Cheers
Nem

my understanding is that it does put it in perfect key (you have to know what that is) and then you have the ability to increment in perfect semi-tones (without changing tempo) by the markers on the color dial.

i think of it as a reverse master-tempo control.

just watch the video people lol

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Originally posted by kimchi just watch the video people lol

My gay comp wont let me

I've never tried this mixer or even seen it/heard it in action - i'm reading around to find out what it does, so do correct me if I'm wrong here. Are you saying that it has the ability to tweak it in to a perfect tone, and you can then assign what key you want the track to be in?

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Maybe I misunderstood but I thought that this was something that you manipulated by hand. If that's all it is then it's a bit pointless if you ask me. Cheers Nem

well it wouldnt be like pioneer to add a pointless feature now would it?

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Originally posted by Basstard well it wouldnt be like pioneer to add a pointless feature now would it?

Yeah that's what I was thinking! But you said that this:

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when u change the pitch ur gonna have the key of the track somewhere in "no man's land" less than a semi-tone either way of the true key. because of this, true harmonic mixing is made impossible. all the mixer is doing is adjusting it to that semitone

I took that as meaning that the mixer adjusts to the nearest semitone. The website seems to suggest the same, so where am I wrong?

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Originally posted by est My gay comp wont let me I've never tried this mixer or even seen it/heard it in action - i'm reading around to find out what it does, so do correct me if I'm wrong here. Are you saying that it has the ability to tweak it in to a perfect tone, and you can then assign what key you want the track to be in?

download or upgraded to the latest version of quicktime.

you use the knob to adjust the tone fo the track

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Originally posted by kimchi download or upgraded to the latest version of quicktime. you use the knob to adjust the tone fo the track

OK i got it now cheers! I see how it works. The descriptions of the colour knob aren't very good on the websites I read, which just went on about performing a 'perfect harmonic mix' when the tracks have been pushed out of key (so what lol). But it's quite obvious now what this would be used for. Doesn't show exactly how far up/down it can go, but I would guess quite a reasonable distance.

I'd love to have a shot on this - I have a problem when I'm trying to beatmatch of intuitively trying to push the tracks in to key instead of lining up the beats becuase of my musical background, so this would be a cool thing to play around with.

Well I think the harmonic mixing thing is a marketing gimmick to attract more customers. Anyways I am interested in the quality of effects & midi with this mixer.

"Effects
The DJM-800 incorporates a highpass / lowpass filter, notch filter and bit crusher effect for all channels. In conjunction with the additional Beat Effects, 50 combinations of effects are possible."

I wonder how the highpass/lowpass filter compares to Allen & Heath Xone 92s clean analog VCF's.

"Fully Assignable MIDI function
There are a total of 61 assignable controls. The MIDI signal can be sent from almost all knobs and switches on the surface of the DJM-800 to external midi equipment. Since the mixer can send out many MIDI signals, it can be used as a flexible interface to music software or hardware such as Ableton Live or EDIROL V-4 Video Mixer."

I think this is a great feature if you use Ableton Live or other Djin software. Honestly how many Dj mixers in the market today have 61 assignable MIDI control? The only one I can think of is the new Allen & Heath Xone 3D which is kinda expensive.

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Originally posted by Harkay Well I think the harmonic mixing thing is a marketing gimmick to attract more customers. Anyways I am interested in the quality of effects & midi with this mixer.

I can see the usefuleness of it. Suppose it depends on what your priorities are though. I think many DJs will find it really helpful in creating smoother mixes.

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Originally posted by Harkay I think this is a great feature if you use Ableton Live or other Djin software. Honestly how many Dj mixers in the market today have 61 assignable MIDI control? The only one I can think of is the new Allen & Heath Xone 3D which is kinda expensive.

Ecler Nuo 4

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Ecler Nuo 4

Exactly...the NUO4 has 89 MIDI messages and is around half the price of the DJM-800 (MAP $750). No FX tho, but it leaves you with $750+ for an external FX unit

DJM - 800 has arrived... Will post a review after I stop playing, meaybe liek next week.. Very addicting effects.. Got all the digital working. So, from every point I have a digital connection.. SOund is way better than a 500 or 600.

Ok, so after playing with the 800 now for liek 6 hours straight, I have come to the conclusion I made the best choice possible. Definately way happier I got this over the Xone92. The only thing I liek better about the Xone, is the way the faders feel. The Pioneers faders are more stiff, although this can be good, as to an accidental touch, they wont move where as a Xone fader if you blow on it it will move. Personal taste there I guess.

The sound on this thing is phenomenal, absolutely no noise whatsoever on any channel, even the head phone output. No hiss, clicks pops or any of that stuff. Big improvement over the DJM-600.

As far as the Harmonic sound color adjustment, so far for me, I don't think I will really ever use it. It seems to me to be too sensitive to get it just where I would want it. I will have to play with it more to really give it a fair review.

Now the other new Sound Color FX, like Sweep, Filter and Crush are all independent of the Beat Effects processor. With a seperate rotary knob for each channel. Pretty sweet. The Filter, seems to me to sound just liek the filters on xone. The sweep is really cool, like an adjustable crossover, giving you bandpass or notch filter. The Crush, gives you that digital Bit crusher sound. All of these adjustable with 127 different points available.

The New beat effects are amazing. They automatically synchronize with the BPM of the song. Then you can choose how the effect will work in different intervals, like 1/4,1/2,3/4,1/1,2/1,4/1,8/1,16/1, as well as they are indepentdantly adjustable with a rotary knob, to any time you want to set.

There is now a Reverse Delay, Phaser, Robot, Chorus, Roll (this samples the track in different beat increments that you set, as soon as you hit the on/off button of the effects, the track has been sampled and will replay over and over at whatever beat selection you set it at. Then you can use the Level Depth and bring in the sample over the track that is still playing. This effect is super hot! I love it. Then there is also Reverso Roll, same thing just in reverse.

If the mixer is not getting an accurate reading of the BPM, you can always set it manually, by tapping the tap button.

The new display is very clean and clear, with good lighting. over allt he mixer looks way better than anything Pioneer has made except for the DJM-1000. This is the DJM-1000's Newer Brother.. The SAME quality as the DJM-1000 with way more features and effects built in. Unless you need more than 4 inputs, this is a better choice by far!

I must say the big advantage to this mixer is the digital inputs and outputs. This makes all the difference in making sure you have the same signal all the way across the board. Listening to tracks through the headphones, made me want to just sit here and relisten to stuff all night. Sounds excellent! Turn the volume all the way up, no hiss or anything. Turn the Master all the way up, and there is no clipping to my M-Audio Firewire 4/10, connected to the G5 tower. Giving the possiblility of pristine recordings, with no interference or noise.

Almost every single fader, knob, button is completely midi assignable. And if I read everything correctly, I can use the DJM-800 to Sync BPM for Ableton. Will have to look into this more, as I ahven't played with that part yet, figuring it will take the most time. I did get Ableton running digitally out of my sound card into the DJM-800, and way mixing CD's over loops in Abelton. Pretty sweet.

If you are looking for a High Quality, Studio or Professional mixer, definately spend some time palying with the DJM-800 before you buy anything. This mixer is the only thing of its kind right now. Taking every input and converting it to digital, makes sure that you have the best signal to noise ratio available on the market right now. teh only thing I think that will compare will be the Xone 3d. But for well over $3000, it better be better.

I think I should sleep now...

Soon, I should have my first Mix available, when I do. I will post it, so you can hear the quality of the sound.

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Originally posted by RobertStern Ok, so after playing with the 800 now for liek 6 hours straight, I have come to the conclusion I made the best choice possible. Definately way happier I got this over the Xone92. The only thing I liek better about the Xone, is the way the faders feel. The Pioneers faders are more stiff, although this can be good, as to an accidental touch, they wont move where as a Xone fader if you blow on it it will move. Personal taste there I guess. The sound on this thing is phenomenal, absolutely no noise whatsoever on any channel, even the head phone output. No hiss, clicks pops or any of that stuff. Big improvement over the DJM-600. As far as the Harmonic sound color adjustment, so far for me, I don't think I will really ever use it. It seems to me to be too sensitive to get it just where I would want it. I will have to play with it more to really give it a fair review. Now the other new Sound Color FX, like Sweep, Filter and Crush are all independent of the Beat Effects processor. With a seperate rotary knob for each channel. Pretty sweet. The Filter, seems to me to sound just liek the filters on xone. The sweep is really cool, like an adjustable crossover, giving you bandpass or notch filter. The Crush, gives you that digital Bit crusher sound. All of these adjustable with 127 different points available. The New beat effects are amazing. They automatically synchronize with the BPM of the song. Then you can choose how the effect will work in different intervals, like 1/4,1/2,3/4,1/1,2/1,4/1,8/1,16/1, as well as they are indepentdantly adjustable with a rotary knob, to any time you want to set. There is now a Reverse Delay, Phaser, Robot, Chorus, Roll (this samples the track in different beat increments that you set, as soon as you hit the on/off button of the effects, the track has been sampled and will replay over and over at whatever beat selection you set it at. Then you can use the Level Depth and bring in the sample over the track that is still playing. This effect is super hot! I love it. Then there is also Reverso Roll, same thing just in reverse. If the mixer is not getting an accurate reading of the BPM, you can always set it manually, by tapping the tap button. The new display is very clean and clear, with good lighting. over allt he mixer looks way better than anything Pioneer has made except for the DJM-1000. This is the DJM-1000's Newer Brother.. The SAME quality as the DJM-1000 with way more features and effects built in. Unless you need more than 4 inputs, this is a better choice by far! I must say the big advantage to this mixer is the digital inputs and outputs. This makes all the difference in making sure you have the same signal all the way across the board. Listening to tracks through the headphones, made me want to just sit here and relisten to stuff all night. Sounds excellent! Turn the volume all the way up, no hiss or anything. Turn the Master all the way up, and there is no clipping to my M-Audio Firewire 4/10, connected to the G5 tower. Giving the possiblility of pristine recordings, with no interference or noise. Almost every single fader, knob, button is completely midi assignable. And if I read everything correctly, I can use the DJM-800 to Sync BPM for Ableton. Will have to look into this more, as I ahven't played with that part yet, figuring it will take the most time. I did get Ableton running digitally out of my sound card into the DJM-800, and way mixing CD's over loops in Abelton. Pretty sweet. If you are looking for a High Quality, Studio or Professional mixer, definately spend some time palying with the DJM-800 before you buy anything. This mixer is the only thing of its kind right now. Taking every input and converting it to digital, makes sure that you have the best signal to noise ratio available on the market right now. teh only thing I think that will compare will be the Xone 3d. But for well over $3000, it better be better. I think I should sleep now... Soon, I should have my first Mix available, when I do. I will post it, so you can hear the quality of the sound.

Talk about a review wow! I need to try one of these out for myself, hope you don't have too much fun with the 800

i wanna hear that mix

Played with the Midi. The mapping is so easy using Ableton, just liek any other Midi device. So, far everythign I wasnted to map, has worked flawlessly.

Also, I played a little bit with using the DJM-800 as the external Midi Clock for Ableton. Pretty damn sweet, as the DJM-800 will take the BPM from whatever you are playing and send that info to Ableton, to sync it up. This is going to take some time to perfect as, it jumps around and is not in perfect sync. I will say this, if it can be figured out, holy shit! PVD watch out! Could be pretty insane, this could be the ultimate setup.

i was going to buy a zone 92 rotary
now after reading this new info, i might have to wait to test out an 800

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Originally posted by RobertStern Played with the Midi. The mapping is so easy using Ableton, just liek any other Midi device. So, far everythign I wasnted to map, has worked flawlessly. Also, I played a little bit with using the DJM-800 as the external Midi Clock for Ableton. Pretty damn sweet, as the DJM-800 will take the BPM from whatever you are playing and send that info to Ableton, to sync it up. This is going to take some time to perfect as, it jumps around and is not in perfect sync. I will say this, if it can be figured out, holy shit! PVD watch out! Could be pretty insane, this could be the ultimate setup.

you should let me play with yours =)


hahah, paycheck next friday = djm800 for me!! woot!!! where did you buys yours form? i wanna purchase online or out of state so i dont get ripped off for tax lol

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Originally posted by kimchi you should let me play with yours =) hahah, paycheck next friday = djm800 for me!! woot!!! where did you buys yours form? i wanna purchase online or out of state so i dont get ripped off for tax lol

I got mine from guitar center, for 1450 price match to a special from a friend.

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Originally posted by RobertStern I got mine from guitar center, for 1450 price match to a special from a friend.

tax im guessing?? im debating going with 1549.99 shipped from a onlien retailer.

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Originally posted by kimchi tax im guessing?? im debating going with 1549.99 shipped from a onlien retailer.

I would do that

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