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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Would that make them TA Jihad trolls?

quiet right.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Um, Afghanistan is under the jurisdiction of the Eurocorps, sorry. If you threw in Vietnam is just confuse the situation, you did; that's a totally different situation, on a different timeline and has no relevance to this arguement.

Lepanto said small insurgents dosent have a slight chance against the marines from big countries like US.

So I gave him an example of how Russia failed in Afganistan after like 30 years of war. And how US lost in Vietnam.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Like South Korea, Kuwait, West Germany and South Vietnam for example? Those that have been liberated from oppression have done very well for themselves. It only took a peek over the border to see whos style of government really works and who helped them to acheive that.

Totally different situation, on a different timeline. Different countries, different people, different 'aspirations'.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r With your agruement, you probably would think dropping the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Japan was 'terrorism' too. The West was quick to rectify that situation with billions of dollars worth in loans and Japan became a leading manufacturer in the world.

No with my argument, if Bush was president during WW2, he would have labeled Japan a 'terrorist nation' too for attacking Pearl Harbour.

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Originally posted by trancaholic I'm probably being totally unreasonable here, but would you be so kind to present a little, you know, evidence? Who are the knights of truth that were denied the right to run? And upon what do you base your assertion that, if these were allowed to run, they would have won in a landslide victory? Btw. Wikipedia, states that the december elections offered only 228 lists for the poor Iraqis to choose from. Lack of choice indeed. Of course, this outrageously low number would be much more tolerable if all the poor US-branded "terrorist organizations" were allowed to run. A bit odd that organizations such as the SCIRI are allowed to run by the US overlords, though. One would think that organizations with close ties to the Axis-of-Evil Mullahs of Iran would be banned from running in the brutal US-dictatorship that is Iraq?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r What?? The government was freely elected by the people of Iraq, not some puppet regime. Simply side-stepping thier whole electoral process so you can try and make your point is ignorant indeed...

He is the 12th person to be announced head the State of Iraq in past 3 years. He is Kurdish caught in between Shia and Sunnis. Noone looks at him, listen to what he has to say. He is hardly quoted in any national/international news channel. People dont know what he does whole day, people dont know what plan he got for his country (if he has any at all). His political views - as expressed in interviews with Western media - remain unclear beyond the obvious intention of winning and conserving power for his tribe. You guys have too much fixation for figures and statistics.

When the Kurds launched an armed uprising against the Iraqi government in 1961, Talabani led battles at home in Iraq, as well diplomatic missions to Europe and elsewhere in the Middle East to seek support for the Kurds and a seperate country for Kurds. This man has been in EU to sell his idea of a seperate Kurdish country outside of Iraq. And now he is made 'The Pesident of Iraq'. Is he not a puppet yet? Ok you might want 'proof'.

And you are telling me he was freely elected by the people of Iraq, not some puppet regime. You want statistics, United Iraqi Alliance had 41% votes and Democratic Patriotic Alliance of Kurdistan from which Iraq's current President belong had 21.7% votes. Why is he still made the President of Iraq? I dont know who voted for a Kurdish president at first place in Iraq? Shias or Sunnis or Japanese people?

Once again you DO NOT HAVE A SENSE OF MILITARY HISTORY! First of all, no one would label Japan a terrorist nation because all they did was perform a preemptive strike.

Second of all, he is not hte 12th or whatever leader in the last 3 years. This is now the first actually ELECTED government in Iraq.

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Totally different situation, on a different timeline. Different countries, different people, different 'aspirations'.

so you could throw WWII in the mix but we can't throw in past WWII years? What the hell is wrong with you?

AND YES THE JAPANESE PEOPLE VOTED FOR A KURDISH PRESIDENT!!1

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Right and you have?

most people get it. you don't. more importantly, the people whose lives are directly on the line...the people that struggle against what you find tragic, get it. what you think or have been programmed not to feel, is so unimportant.

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Originally posted by Purple Honestly? I think the will of the people is more important, and the will of Iraqi people is to fight the terror which US has brought to their lives.

great. now. let it be known...that the will of the people have marginalized you like they have the Jihadist cowards that kill them.

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Originally posted by Lepanto only an idiot with no knowledge of military history would think that the insurgency have a slight chance against the marines. even when they fight like little B I T C H E S. They don't have the balls to fight like real M E N. they put up human shields of women and kids. PANSYS. and USMC > all. SEMPER FI! i'm glad my boys over there shreded these ******s like no tommorow. if you think they have a chance against the best trained, physically, metally, psychologically, most battle-ready, most fanatical, bad ass mother******s on this earth you're sadly mistaken.

That sniper is fuckin RAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPING them HARD!!!!!!!! lol

go iraqis go!!!!!

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Originally posted by Cyrus King That sniper is fuckin RAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPING them HARD!!!!!!!! lol go iraqis go!!!!!

stfu!

This video is better.
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Originally posted by Purple He is the 12th person to be announced head the State of Iraq in past 3 years. He is Kurdish caught in between Shia and Sunnis. Noone looks at him, listen to what he has to say. He is hardly quoted in any national/international news channel. People dont know what he does whole day, people dont know what plan he got for his country (if he has any at all). His political views - as expressed in interviews with Western media - remain unclear beyond the obvious intention of winning and conserving power for his tribe. You guys have too much fixation for figures and statistics. When the Kurds launched an armed uprising against the Iraqi government in 1961, Talabani led battles at home in Iraq, as well diplomatic missions to Europe and elsewhere in the Middle East to seek support for the Kurds and a seperate country for Kurds. This man has been in EU to sell his idea of a seperate Kurdish country outside of Iraq. And now he is made 'The Pesident of Iraq'. Is he not a puppet yet? Ok you might want 'proof'. And you are telling me he was freely elected by the people of Iraq, not some puppet regime. You want statistics, United Iraqi Alliance had 41% votes and Democratic Patriotic Alliance of Kurdistan from which Iraq's current President belong had 21.7% votes. Why is he still made the President of Iraq? I dont know who voted for a Kurdish president at first place in Iraq? Shias or Sunnis or Japanese people?

You shouldn't equate the Iraqi President with Head of Government. The Head of Government is the Prime Minister, Ibrahim al-Jaafari, who is a shia Muslim. The president wields no real power.

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Originally posted by trancaholic You shouldn't equate the Iraqi President with Head of Government. The Head of Government is the Prime Minister, The president wields no real power.

so was this a quasi-dictatorship then?

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Originally posted by trancaholic You shouldn't equate the Iraqi President with Head of Government. The Head of Government is the Prime Minister, Ibrahim al-Jaafari, who is a shia Muslim. The president wields no real power.

You are wrong again, Iraq is a 'Republic' country. President has all real powers and Prime Minister weilds no power in republic system.

Remember Saddam Hussein was the President of Iraq and not Prime Minister.

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Originally posted by Lepanto That's cause purple and his dear friend trancer are the best example of Mujahideen jihad-mongers.

and you are a prefect example of a true American coward with absolute no brain whatsoever.

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Originally posted by Purple You are wrong again, Iraq is a 'Republic' country. President has all real powers and Prime Minister weilds no power in republic system. Remember Saddam Hussein was the President of Iraq and not Prime Minister.

"Again"?

I suggest that you do some actual studying before opening your mouth on the issue of Iraq again. You're hardly convincing. Maybe you could start here. The money quote:

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The president serves in a largely figurehead capacity, with few powers. The Prime Minister of Iraq holds most of the actual executive authority and is required to appoint a cabinet. All three were appointed in April 2005 after elections which saw political differences papered over by ethnic unity (and inter-ethnic divisions).

While you're at it, you might care to address the other issues I have been raising, such as the insane amount of Iraqis targeted by the "freedom fighters", which parties were denied the right to run in the elections, and the uncomfortable issue of the Saddam Tapes, which seem to contradict your claims of Iraq being a society of "peace" where people lived "normal lives".

I'm not holding my breath, though.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer and you are a prefect example of a true American coward with absolute no brain whatsoever.

you only wish that stereotype was true for Westerners and not for Mujahideens

I wish the war was more bloodier. Yeah so what about the videos? The Iraqis have no chance against the marines. If we withdraw it doesnt matter. We will win anyways just wait like 50yrs and Iraq will be like Vietnam-KFC's everywhere.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer and you are a prefect example of a true American coward with absolute no brain whatsoever.

Wow.
We live in a country that is fighting terrorism/extremism and you have the gaul to sit there at your keyboard with the freedom provided by those fighting and call us cowards...
At least we understand why we support our soldiers and not ridicule them.
And yes, I'm talking about Canadian soldiers.
But there are no Canadians soldiers in Iraq?
Don't be so sure...
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/03/27/cdnsoldiers030327

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Originally posted by trancaholic While you're at it, you might care to address the other issues I have been raising, such as the insane amount of Iraqis targeted by the "freedom fighters", which parties were denied the right to run in the elections, and the uncomfortable issue of the Saddam Tapes, which seem to contradict your claims of Iraq being a society of "peace" where people lived "normal lives".

Ya those are bad, but its a war and nothing is good in war. You cant justify UK bombing entire Berlin in WW2, you cant justify them blasting bombs everywhere. US brought this war to this country and its people. The point I want to make is that; when you want rape a country and its people for your own greed and personal vengance; than dont label the whole country a terrorist country and all people fighting the war terrorists. When your people kill them they are terrorists, and when they kill you its bad and sad. Dont label it a 'War on Terror' and invade Iraq/Iran. Because its not a war on terror and they are no terrorist.


Hey threadstarter, where are the more vedios you promised?

so many people have requested more videos from iraq. Instead of posting links, I'll just give you address and remember to check the archives as there is hundreds of videos going back to 2003

http://www.infovlad.net/

bonus
attack on humvee in afghanistan
http://www.flurl.com/item/Afghanist...h_2006_u_92378/

soldiers drive into an ied
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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Wow. We live in a country that is fighting terrorism/extremism and you have the gaul to sit there at your keyboard with the freedom provided by those fighting and call us cowards... At least we understand why we support our soldiers and not ridicule them. And yes, I'm talking about Canadian soldiers. But there are no Canadians soldiers in Iraq? Don't be so sure... http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/03/27/cdnsoldiers030327

Fighting terrorism and extremism??? I think theyve REINFORCED terrorism and made iraq... specifically... a more EXTREMIST nation with a civil war brewing. Iran indirectly controls Iraq now.. GOOD JOB YANKS!!! YOU FUCKED UP AGAIN!

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Fighting terrorism and extremism??? I think theyve REINFORCED terrorism and made iraq... specifically... a more EXTREMIST nation with a civil war brewing. Iran indirectly controls Iraq now.. GOOD JOB YANKS!!! YOU FUCKED UP AGAIN!

So how many bombs are going off in Canada/U.S. again since Iraq was liberated from Saddam?
While true, they are in a period of instability but let's not kid ourselves, that problem already existed but was snuffed by Saddam and his henchmen.
This needs to be played out and to say it wasn't expected would be very shortsighted indeed.
I'd like to see the Canadians get a little more involved as they tend to gel with the locals a little better than our American counterparts (no offence to our Americans brothers )

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r While true, they are in a period of instability but let's not kid ourselves, that problem already existed but was snuffed by Saddam and his henchmen.

Thats bullshit,Iraq was in a much better shape then it is now.There were no terrorist attacks and no Al Quada when Saddam was in charge.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Wow. We live in a country that is fighting terrorism/extremism and you have the gaul to sit there at your keyboard with the freedom provided by those fighting and call us cowards...

Giiiiiiiiiiiiiiive me a fuckin break.I dont feel safer,the war on terror is the biggest scandle of our time and it is truly pointless.

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At least we understand why we support our soldiers and not ridicule them. And yes, I'm talking about Canadian soldiers. But there are no Canadians soldiers in Iraq? Don't be so sure... http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/03/27/cdnsoldiers030327

our soldiers should be there for peace keeping only,there is no reason for us to fight for the American cause.

I will tell you why Americans are pussies. They bomb the battlefield first with aircraft making the enemny obsolute.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Giiiiiiiiiiiiiiive me a fuckin break.I dont feel safer,the war on terror is the biggest scandle of our time and it is truly pointless.

Pointless - no. The rationale behind it is a simple and just one - hunt down and destroy those who attacked us and our allies. Work together with our international allies to help dry them out financially and halt potential terrorist recruiting.

However, the difference between that basic rationale and this Administration's bumbling and ineptitude in doing exactly that is a world apart.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer our soldiers should be there for peace keeping only,there is no reason for us to fight for the American cause.

It's the same cause as ours though.
and what exactly do you think peacekeepers do?
What? You don't think they should know how to protect themselves?
They just wander around aimlessly and think they're untouchable or something because they're under the banner of the U.N.?
Are you even aware the a CANADIAN peacekeeper was killed by an axe??!
Whether you want to believe it or not, there are people out there that what to kill us, not just Americans, but anything to do with Western society.
They've been brainwashed by mullahs who have no concept of what Western soceity is or what a democracy is; they're afraid of change and loosing the power they have over their people.
If we were to take even a handful of their religious leaders to someplace like Toronto, where they can see for themselves that people of different cultures CAN co-exist peacefully that place would be an entirely different situation.

gah. All I have to say is gah.

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