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Originally posted by matt167698 does he loop stuff for an hour while comes back out of a k-hole... yeah.

again, exagerations here. have you ever seen JP do K? have you ever heard him loop a song and looked at your watch to count exactly how long it was looped for?

I have been to many many JP parties over the years and have never ever once heard him loop or mess with a song for more than 20 minutes. But of course, somebody exagerated one of his looping sessions til it was 30 minutes, then the next guy made the story even grander until it was 40 minutes...so on and so on til now JP loops songs for over an hour. lol Seriously.

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Originally posted by zizack according to who? Clovis from TA? he uses 2 laptops, same as a lot of other djs / acts. Most clubs come standard with 3 cd decks and 3 TT's. he doesn't use TT's anymore so he uses laptops. so what. I'm by no means a JP fan, but most of the criticisms of the guy are done by people "who have heard" things about him. Get off the bandwagon and form your own opinion of the guy.

This looks like Vinyl to me:



Look at the amount of equipment here, its absolutely ridiculous. There is no way in hell it all serves a purpose, because even if it does, you dont need THREE instances of Ableton, let alone more than 1.






I didnt go to this party, but I have a few friends who went and said he wrecked numerous times, and fucked up effects work aswell.

ok, so now we're down to 3 from 4. That other laptop may well be someone else's from that night. Either way, what the hell does it matter how many computers he uses? Look at pictures of Infusion's live set up or Hybrids or NU NRG's. they do Live PAs and rtequire a ridiculous amount of gear. JP does a slightly stripped down version of a live PA, hence so much gear. So what? Hats off to him.

In regards to him wrecking, all djs do, no one is perfect. carl Cox rocks three TTs on ngihts and you know what, his mixes go off a lot. Does that mean he isn;t a good dj, no. It means he takes risks and is trying to push his sound. Same with JP. Anyway schmuck dj can mix two records together, hats off to the guys who push themselves and technology, even if they do mess up every so often.


And I never said he didn't use TTs, I just know he uses more cds these days.

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Originally posted by zizack ok, so now we're down to 3 from 4. That other laptop may well be someone else's from that night. Either way, what the hell does it matter how many computers he uses? Look at pictures of Infusion's live set up or Hybrids or NU NRG's. they do Live PAs and rtequire a ridiculous amount of gear. JP does a slightly stripped down version of a live PA, hence so much gear. So what? Hats off to him. In regards to him wrecking, all djs do, no one is perfect. carl Cox rocks three TTs on ngihts and you know what, his mixes go off a lot. Does that mean he isn;t a good dj, no. It means he takes risks and is trying to push his sound. Same with JP. Anyway schmuck dj can mix two records together, hats off to the guys who push themselves and technology, even if they do mess up every so often. And I never said he didn't use TTs, I just know he uses more cds these days.

lol do you work for him or something? As far as pushing technology, try James Zabiela, or Richie Hawtin. I havnt seen him live, but I seriously doubt he is utilizing all that equipment to deliver a more interesting set. Hes doing a scaled down live PA? Doesnt look like it. Looks like a standard DJ set with 10 tons of extra equipment to make him look cool. And how do you WRECK using ableton live?

I should add the disclaimer, that since I havnt seen him yet live, I'm only basing my opinion on what I have heard from good friends, and through the photos I see.

But I'm not the only one with this opinion. Anyways I'm done wasting my time arguing about "The Jonathan Peters Experience"

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Originally posted by Clovis86 lol do you work for him or something? As far as pushing technology, try James Zabiela, or Richie Hawtin. I havnt seen him live, but I seriously doubt he is utilizing all that equipment to deliver a more interesting set. Hes doing a scaled down live PA? Doesnt look like it. Looks like a standard DJ set with 10 tons of extra equipment to make him look cool. And how do you WRECK using ableton live?

I'm not a JP fan at all, I just get annoyed when I see people jump on the bandwagon and talk shit about djs they have never seen because they "have heard" things about them and feel cool regurgitaing what they have heard. You can speculate all you want, but you still haven't heard him to actually criticize. zabiela and hawton are two of the biggest djs in the world so comparing them to him is unfair.

And as you pointed out, JP uses vinyl too, hence how a trainwreck could happen.

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Originally posted by Clovis86 I should add the disclaimer, that since I havnt seen him yet live, I'm only basing my opinion on what I have heard from good friends, and through the photos I see.

you base opinions on what friends of yours tell you and though out of context photos you have seen on the internet? Sweet!

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Originally posted by zizack you base opinions on what friends of yours tell you and though out of context photos you have seen on the internet? Sweet!

Yes and so does everyone else, whoever says they dont is a liar.

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Originally posted by zizack you saw him 2 years ago and he played music that you found boring and that means he is 'just plain bad?' When I see djs who bore me I chalk them up as just not being my cup of tea, but I don't run off and tell peopel they suck.

No, I do like that type of music... Just him playing it was boring... Plenty of other DJs in the same style are not boring at all! However, he was! There's a difference between not being my cup of tea or just being a really nasty-ass bitter cup of tea... He was the latter

If I didn't know any better, you sound like a relative or promoter of his?? LOL... You like refuse to accept what people who HAVE seen him, HAVE heard his music and HAVE listened to other comparable djs think about JP (and common consensus is that he really isn't all that great). You're gonna have to swallow that

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Originally posted by zizack again, exagerations here. have you ever seen JP do K? have you ever heard him loop a song and looked at your watch to count exactly how long it was looped for? I have been to many many JP parties over the years and have never ever once heard him loop or mess with a song for more than 20 minutes. But of course, somebody exagerated one of his looping sessions til it was 30 minutes, then the next guy made the story even grander until it was 40 minutes...so on and so on til now JP loops songs for over an hour. lol Seriously.

everyone knows that JP is a serious drug addict.... i know people whove done bumps, sniffed lines, and shared tina with him, and have pics of some of these instances (of course i wasnt there, so taking their word and pics to formulate my own opinion still makes it invalid?).... i've been to probably half the JP parties in the past year (only because all friends of mine go, and i always get free admission, so why the hell not?) and i can safely say all times, he looped for wayyyyy more than 20 minutes... Zack, youre cool and all, but dont say that youve stayed through a whole JP set, be it 12 hours or 24 hours, enough to say that he doesnt loop more than 20 minutes.... i left his Copa party following a 15 minute loop of a BREAKDOWN in some like 1999 trance song, and then when the beat came in, he looped it another 30 minutes at least while throwing in some acapellas, and everyone thought he was god for it.... hes just terrible, and this is not from word of mouth, this is from some1 whos seen him plenty of times to say so.... and as far as WORD OF MOUTH that hes a drug addict (back to that point), take a look at his pupils at any given point of his party, and thats enough evidence right there

i got so bored at his Avalon Halloween party, i decided to just watch him from the mezzanine or w.e. u call it.... there is nothing he does that requires anything more than one laptop, a mixer, maybe 2 turntables, and 2 CD decks.... didnt see him touch the keyboard once, and all he does is loop and loop and loop and loop.... seriously, i dont know why youre defending him so much, hes got normal skill as far as DJing goes, but half of that equipment is unnecessary, and the REAL DJs know it.... sure all the JP heads see that and think hes no ordinary DJ, but thats because they dont know the half of it

dont even get me started on how bad his productions are.... he should sell all that unneccessary gear and take lessons on how to produce

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and as far as WORD OF MOUTH that hes a drug addict (back to that point), take a look at his pupils at any given point of his party, and thats enough evidence right there

I don't quite see how that contributes to the anti-JP category... plenty of DJs are on drugs while they spin, and plenty of DJs do just fine. When Blank&Jones were at Avalon, they dropped a killer set... yet one of them was drinking enormous ammounts of beer and the other was most probably rolling, judging from his behavior. I'm not defending JP here, I'm just saying that being high doesn't always equal dropping a bad set (everybody that saw Tiesto in November probably disagrees with me hahahaha!).

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but half of that equipment is unnecessary, and the REAL DJs know it....

Ok, so he has unnecessary equipment on stage with him. As I said earlier, having a keyboard up there that you don't use might be a waste, but it definately doesn't detract from the set...

Whatever the deal is, I don't think there should be a big argument over JP's skills flying around the NYTA board. But I do agree with Zack about the whole opinion thing... I'll form an opinion about him when I see him spin and when I see exactly what kind of crowd he attracts. But for now, I don't have a problem with him because I enjoy some of his mixes that are out on CD, like that "S&M Party Mix" from 2003 (the one I talked about before and that was recorded in Soundfactory).

I am not defending Jp because I like him as a dj. I would go as far as to say that I do not like him actually. But I just think its hilarious when peopel decide to jump on the bandwagon and bash certain djs to no end because everyone else does. JP is one of those djs. he is like "the cool dj to bash" right now. bash him all you want, i just always find it comical when people who haven't seen him try to get in on the jokes by regurgitating exagerations that they have heard from their friends.

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Originally posted by DJ Eco i got so bored at his Avalon Halloween party, i decided to just watch him from the mezzanine or w.e. u call it.... there is nothing he does that requires anything more than one laptop, a mixer, maybe 2 turntables, and 2 CD decks.... didnt see him touch the keyboard once, and all he does is loop and loop and loop and loop.... seriously, i dont know why youre defending him so much, hes got normal skill as far as DJing goes, but half of that equipment is unnecessary, and the REAL DJs know it.... sure all the JP heads see that and think hes no ordinary DJ, but thats because they dont know the half of it

uh, dude. You know all this EDM stuff is looped based right? lol

Look at those Ableton screens...he loops everything and just builds and builds tracks in layers, that is how he djs. All you really need are two TTS and a mixer to dj, but that doesn't mean you have to do it that way. He is going about making / playing music differently, so what if he finds thats a more interesting way to do it.

to make this debate short and sweet
back in the day jp at sf was a great run and a great party
but that era is over from the reviews ive been reading since jp left sf
i dunno i hear hes not the same but
if jp is on he is on he will play some serious tech-house and will keep you danceing all night long
only downside is his fanbase
honestly they are the worst of the worst
if your going there to hear good music then i would try it out
but be prepared to face some serious white trash people

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Originally posted by DJ A.K I don't quite see how that contributes to the anti-JP category... plenty of DJs are on drugs while they spin, and plenty of DJs do just fine. When Blank&Jones were at Avalon, they dropped a killer set... yet one of them was drinking enormous ammounts of beer and the other was most probably rolling, judging from his behavior. I'm not defending JP here, I'm just saying that being high doesn't always equal dropping a bad set (everybody that saw Tiesto in November probably disagrees with me hahahaha!). Ok, so he has unnecessary equipment on stage with him. As I said earlier, having a keyboard up there that you don't use might be a waste, but it definately doesn't detract from the set... Whatever the deal is, I don't think there should be a big argument over JP's skills flying around the NYTA board. But I do agree with Zack about the whole opinion thing... I'll form an opinion about him when I see him spin and when I see exactly what kind of crowd he attracts. But for now, I don't have a problem with him because I enjoy some of his mixes that are out on CD, like that "S&M Party Mix" from 2003 (the one I talked about before and that was recorded in Soundfactory).

i actually forgot that i had that s&m cd but it really wasnt for the music at the time, it was more because i saw people glowstickin on the Dvd that came with it and wanted to see what that club was like. I honestly havent seen him and i have heard some of his sets from way back which were mostly decent. but these days i have to say that the cheesy vocal house is annoying, and his young crowd followin is absolutely horrible, a couple of them do also go to reg trance nights because there usually in the back doing there dance, or which ever other thing they do.

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Originally posted by zizack uh, dude. You know all this EDM stuff is looped based right? lol Look at those Ableton screens...he loops everything and just builds and builds tracks in layers, that is how he djs. All you really need are two TTS and a mixer to dj, but that doesn't mean you have to do it that way. He is going about making / playing music differently, so what if he finds thats a more interesting way to do it.

i know EDM stuff is looped based, im not an amateur.... JAMES MOWBRAY's "the day hip hop died" is a good song, right?.... of course it is.... not when the same 16 counts are looped for literally 20 minutes.... thats not "taking it to the next level" or whatever u wanna call it, thats pressing a loop button and sitting back for 20 minutes....


....every JP set is the same same same old story, i dont get what youre defending him about... he doesnt "build tracks in layers", he loops a beat for a mininum of 20 minutes, and plays some classic diva acapella over it; when was the last time youve seen him because there is no "building" or "layers" or talent involved at all, i know basically all the songs he plays everytime, and there is nothing he does to those tracks but loops them, dont tell me he uses Abelton to "build tracks in layers", its bullshit.

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Originally posted by DJ A.K I don't quite see how that contributes to the anti-JP category... plenty of DJs are on drugs while they spin, and plenty of DJs do just fine. When Blank&Jones were at Avalon, they dropped a killer set... yet one of them was drinking enormous ammounts of beer and the other was most probably rolling, judging from his behavior.

if a DJ needs to be on drugs literally every extended set he plays, then no, i dont think theyre a great DJ.... i remember you told me about the Blank and Jones guy (whichever one it was) going crazy, and you swore he was on drugs, but could it be hes having such an amazing time, and the vibe's just right that he wants to go insane? i do have less respect for Tiesto when there was huge speculations about his drug use.... if you need drugs to perform, i have less respect for you as a DJ, easy as that.... not to mention, if in fact Blank and Jones were on drugs, i heard their track selection was great but theyre mixing was pretty off (at both Avalon gigs), so maybe they should stop the drugs if thats true....

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Originally posted by DJ A.K Ok, so he has unnecessary equipment on stage with him. As I said earlier, having a keyboard up there that you don't use might be a waste, but it definately doesn't detract from the set...

when a DJ who has all the necessary tools to make a flawless and interesting and awe-inspiring set trainwrecks, we have a right to use that as a point against his DJ skills....

and i dont know any other DJ in the world that doesnt embrace the music of NOW.... every set he seems to play is a "classics" set.... Copa was "classics" night, New Year's was "classics" night, Spirit in September was "classics" night.... take the tracklist from one JP party... flip it around and mix it up and you have the tracklist for the next JP party.... theres some amazing tunes out there, from tech to tribal to house, that he isnt playing because he thinks songs like "women beat their men" and "let the sunshine" and "all this time" are better.... bad track selection makes a bad DJ, and he has the WORST track selection, thus he must be the.....

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Originally posted by zizack again, exagerations here. have you ever seen JP do K? have you ever heard him loop a song and looked at your watch to count exactly how long it was looped for? I have been to many many JP parties over the years and have never ever once heard him loop or mess with a song for more than 20 minutes. But of course, somebody exagerated one of his looping sessions til it was 30 minutes, then the next guy made the story even grander until it was 40 minutes...so on and so on til now JP loops songs for over an hour. lol Seriously.

have i seen him do K? no but its pretty well known that he does ... and i promise you that he looped derb-derbiss for a really really really long time... and obviously an hour was an exaggeration but it was prob on for 20 or 30 mins...

cant wait for his nikki beach party during wmc.

Oh boy, this is going to be a flame war soon...

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if a DJ needs to be on drugs literally every extended set he plays, then no, i dont think theyre a great DJ....

Nowhere in my post was anything about needing to be on drugs. Saying that someone "needs to be on drugs literally every extended set he plays" is much different than mentioning that B&J were messed up on that particular night.

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and i dont know any other DJ in the world that doesnt embrace the music of NOW.... every set he seems to play is a "classics" set.... Copa was "classics" night, New Year's was "classics" night, Spirit in September was "classics" night.... take the tracklist from one JP party... flip it around and mix it up and you have the tracklist for the next JP party....

It's interesting how this is pretty much the same exact thing that all of the trance haters posted after PvD at Roseland. If you go back a few pages, you'll find the PvD at Roseland review, where a bunch of people get together and bash PvD for playing too many 'classics', for the 'fact' that all of his sets are the same. My take on it is much different. I actually like hearing old classics, and when PvD drops 'For an Angel' I go crazy because it's a great song and deserves to be played. The 'music of NOW' is great, but sometimes we forget about a great many sick tracks that get played a few times, and then are forgotten.

Agreed 110%

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Originally posted by DJ A.K Nowhere in my post was anything about needing to be on drugs. Saying that someone "needs to be on drugs literally every extended set he plays" is much different than mentioning that B&J were messed up on that particular night.

ok so first things first..... who cares what people do and if their on drugs or not, this is the club lifestyle after all and this is how it is, If dj's can go along with drugs and not trainwreck or at least not train wreck many times then thats fine and their own decision.

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Originally posted by DJ A.K It's interesting how this is pretty much the same exact thing that all of the trance haters posted after PvD at Roseland. If you go back a few pages, you'll find the PvD at Roseland review, where a bunch of people get together and bash PvD for playing too many 'classics', for the 'fact' that all of his sets are the same. My take on it is much different. I actually like hearing old classics, and when PvD drops 'For an Angel' I go crazy because it's a great song and deserves to be played. The 'music of NOW' is great, but sometimes we forget about a great many sick tracks that get played a few times, and then are forgotten.

no its not exactly the same thing, theres a difference when u play mostly classics and when PVD mixes classics with his new stuff.... yes u can play classics and it is always a good thing to have them but u dont want the whole entire night full of old school tracks every single time like JP apparently does.

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