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Iv got two techs + laptop with two outputs. This givs the best of both worlds. Only problem is that my budget is going towards buying more digital tracks instead of vinyl. I just love both, vinyl i find is more fun for me but in a way digital formats are aswell because of the extra control you have (looping etc)

Cds are the easy way out.

/awaits flames.

less and less comes out on vinyl these days..

all a cd player does is make it possible to play more upfront and new stuff.. and soon the only new stuff will be released on mp3.

i wish it wasnt true but it is..

its more fun on cdjs cos you can play your own stuff. + they hold their speed so you can concentrate on mixing perfectly.

i will draw the line at ableton live for beatmixing in clubs... nonsense! but a cdj 1000 looks just as cool as a 1210 when a dj uses it.. imo

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Originally posted by Allied Nations Cds are the easy way out. /awaits flames.

So is Final Scratch.

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Originally posted by richg101 less and less comes out on vinyl these days.. all a cd player does is make it possible to play more upfront and new stuff.. and soon the only new stuff will be released on mp3.

exactly. that's why i'll be picking up some cdjs soon. new tunes i've been getting from beatport (cheaper than vinyl) but when beatport gives me territory restrictions...or they don't have the track i'm looking for, i order it on vinyl. i really like the flexibility. plus some of my old really rare rekkids will never see a digital re-release (although some unforunately have ).

i also think it's important to know how to play on both vinyl and cd. you never know what sort of situation you'll find yourself in. can only make you a better dj

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Originally posted by DJ RJT So is Final Scratch.

Pwned

ehh... this is the never-ending debate...

being a record collector and having invested $1,000s (more than i'd like to admit) in records i am all for vinyl... there are some pros to it... the feel, the hunt for the song, the sound, etc. but those pros can also be cons... can take you YEARS to find a particular track (and when you do it can cost you a small fortune), the crackles and pops can get pretty annoying (especially on the ambient tracks), etc.

digital (CD/WAV/MP3/whatever) is great because you can get a clean/crisp version of the song, can get it pretty immediately, and can get it fairly cheap. that being said, it takes part of the "fun" out of it... it's kind of boring to just go to a website every friday and download the latest tracks just like every other guy out there... it's kind of cool to have an awesome song and know that only 200 of them are out there and i'm one of the 200 people that can play it out (well sorta... there are digital rips now, but you know what i mean).

like chris said, it's good to know all different mediums because you never know what situation you'll be in, but i'm not all for one medium over the other... each has their benefits and you just need to harness them.

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Originally posted by keithos27 each has their benefits and you just need to harness them.

so true.

I wish I could download vinyl for the same price.

the second your computer lets you download vinyl you let me know!

im with you ALL-THE-WAY, but im going to think about getting a cdj800 in the future for tose tracks that are never pressed


ill feel like a traitor!

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Originally posted by DJ RJT So is Final Scratch.

Hahaha.. NO!

The amount of trouble it is to set it up in a nightclub.. fuck!

Re: The "I refuse to give up vinyl !!!" thread

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Originally posted by SgtFoo -DJs all over the place are selling thier vinyl records! (just check out the TA Sale/Wanted forum)

this I will never never understand. I cant bring myself to sell any of my vinyl, even the shit stuff i never play anymore (except when drunk and having a dig around, Castles in the Sky anyone )

As for the whole digital vs vinyl thing, i think keithos put it best, they each have their benefits. IMO its all about delivering the best tunes to the dancefloor, the medium which you choose to play these tunes is totally inconsequential. We all have our prefereces as djs, which is fine, but I think that restricting yourself to just that medium because you prefer it to others is perhaps a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I prefer to use vinyl, but that doesnt stop me from getting most of my new stuff on cd/mp3, economically its the only option (i got 3 new tracks from dance-tunes earlier for �2, would have been at least �15 on vinyl). I totally agree that straight mixing on CDJs is more boring than vinyl, but this is why you need to explore the other things that they can do.

plus some stuff you just CANT get on MP3... i was just listening to some records from the early 90s... no one even heard of an MP3 back then... and some producers are dead so you know you wont get their stuff released anytime soon... you just need to utilize every and all techniques

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Originally posted by Basstard the second your computer lets you download vinyl you let me know!

I'm working on a program as we speak

i think for the next few years anyway the only way a DJ is going to have maximum excess to all music is to encorparate both CDJs and turntables into his setup. there are songs i want on vinyl that i can only get on MP3. there are also only songs on vinyl that i cant get on MP3

Its sure hope vinyl doesnt die. It definatly wont with turntablist.. But it will in the club because noone really gives a shit how its played out. I hear of more and more top DJ's playing with just cdjs. Eventually I reckon it will progress to DJ's just bringing only a laptop and headphones.. I mean with digital storage capabilities getting better and better we will soon be able to store thousands of tracks in wav on the smallest of harddrives. To me a person who plays on turntables earns more respect since the more skill required to become perfect. Like people say mixing with cdj's becomes boring because they are so accurate. I found the same with traktor.Getting two motorised platters spinning perfectly, locked on beat for over 2 mins using only a slider, mix after mix, is where the fun is

I for sure wont stop buying vinyl. I wouldnt worry about it to really, just keep buying vinyl!. Then it will never die

Also I havent fully read the thread to see if this has been said but limited edition in terms of vinyl is something MP3 will never have! When a track on vinyl says limited to 200 copies and its a banging tune that means something Lets not forget picture discs either!

I just picked up SSL yesterday, so I say the sooner vinyl dies the sooner I don't have to pay $12 instead of $2 for tracks that aren't released digitally. Let's hope it happens swiftly and painlessly.

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Originally posted by trancecadet To me a person who plays on turntables earns more respect since the more skill required to become perfect. Like people say mixing with cdj's becomes boring because they are so accurate.

I totally agree with this opinion. There's no secret that it's harder to play vinyl compared to cd's. Must say a lot of the charm with playing the 12" 's is more or less lost when it comes to spinning with the CDJ's. And the true vinyl feel you're getting addicted to after some hours on the TT's, is something you even can't compare imo.

When that is said, there's no doubt where this is heading. I don't think the vinyl will die out, but the evolution we've seen the last year is just crazy! Just seeing in my own sets, beeing used to play 90% vinyl just 6 months ago, it's no down to about 20%. And this wount turn around. Also those rare vinyls you have is now getting available on mp3. I still don't want so sell them since having a tune on vinyl compared to a stripped down mp3 file is still a lot different..

The digital world is really coming over us it seems. It's going to be really interesting following the vinyl records in the coming months/years, and i'm not sure if it's room for both mediums when it comes to distribution etc. Let's hope for the best!

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Originally posted by Sjodalf i'm not sure if it's room for both mediums when it comes to distribution etc. Let's hope for the best!

I really think that labels should stick to selling in vinyl. DJs have the option of ripping vinyl if they want but if it's only on CD, the DJ is forced in to that format. As someone said, each medium has its merits/drawbacks and if the music sounds good, the medium between the DJ and the crowd is irrelevant. It makes sense for the vinyl/CD decision to be left up to the DJ.

I know JOOF switched to selling CDs only. I respect him on the whole, but I did not think much of that move. Seemed self-centered to me, forcing DJs in to playing his tunes the way he thinks they should be played. But who knows, in a few years time, all labels may have followed suit - we'll see...

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Originally posted by est I really think that labels should stick to selling in vinyl. DJs have the option of ripping vinyl if they want but if it's only on CD, the DJ is forced in to that format. As someone said, each medium has its merits/drawbacks and if the music sounds good, the medium between the DJ and the crowd is irrelevant. It makes sense for the vinyl/CD decision to be left up to the DJ.

If they only released on vinyl, then the releases that CDJs or digital DJs want wont be available. I think it's fine the way it is, both vinyl and digital. It would be nice to have more CD-singles, but i'm just as happy downloading tunes and burning them on CD-R.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 If they only released on vinyl, then the releases that CDJs or digital DJs want wont be available.

Yeah, you can rip vinyl to digital easily. However, if a DJ wanted to play a tune on vinyl (for whatever reason), but it was only released on digital, there's no way that could be done .

Its good to see that there is no longer a cd vs vinyl mentality on TA.
They both have benifits thats for sure. One problem with artists/labels moving completly to digital is that piracy will become easier.
With digital there isnt that same "limited white label pressing" anyone could always just copy and past that track. A good thing about vinyl being expensive is that it drives away people who arent not serious about djing because they dont want to throw down the cash. Now that it is so easy to use digital format you see lots of people fading there favourite cheese songs together and calling them selfs djs after one day of practicing.

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Originally posted by trancecadet Its sure hope vinyl doesnt die. It definatly wont with turntablist.. But it will in the club because noone really gives a shit how its played out. I hear of more and more top DJ's playing with just cdjs. Eventually I reckon it will progress to DJ's just bringing only a laptop and headphones.. I mean with digital storage capabilities getting better and better we will soon be able to store thousands of tracks in wav on the smallest of harddrives. To me a person who plays on turntables earns more respect since the more skill required to become perfect. Like people say mixing with cdj's becomes boring because they are so accurate. I found the same with traktor.Getting two motorised platters spinning perfectly, locked on beat for over 2 mins using only a slider, mix after mix, is where the fun is

seriously, this CDJ being more accurate than turntables notion has to be one of the most ridiculous things ever.

people, think about it. TURNTABLES ARE ANALOG. CDJs are digital. in other words, CDJs have what you cal pitch increments. the best players in the world are still stuck at +/-0.02%

this means, you can only variate your pitch by that much. so say to have a perfectly matched track, you need to have it at +0.025%. you can do nothing. however, a turnable is analog, it will variate by as much as you move the slider. in other words, a turntable in perfect condition is as accurate as YOU are with the slider. you can have it at +0.01%, +0.001% or even +0.000549863987608360347%.

in conclusion, you can get a more accurate match on turntables, period. that some people do find it easier to spin on CDJs? true. that correcting is easier? true. but they are in no way more accurate.

CDJ's ARE more accurate than Tehcnics 1200's. Sorry, but it's true. Anyone who spins both regulary knows this.

Your argument that CDJ's are digital and TT's are analog is exactly the reason why CDJ's are more accurate. The pitch doesn't drift in digital land, ever.

And if you've played with CDJ-1000's in 6%/.02 pitch accuracy mode, you'll realize that to move the pitch slider only .02%, you have to move it the smallest fraction of a hair. It is even less granular than a 1200's slider.

And you're also not taking into account all of the other issues with TT's... warped records, bad pressings, fluctuations in power... all of those result in a pitch accuracy which is much worse than the magic "wow and flutter" number that everyone talks about.

Spinning vinyl and getting those tight mixes is much more difficult with vinyl.

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Originally posted by Inertia seriously, this CDJ being more accurate than turntables notion has to be one of the most ridiculous things ever. people, think about it. TURNTABLES ARE ANALOG. CDJs are digital. in other words, CDJs have what you cal pitch increments. the best players in the world are still stuck at +/-0.02% this means, you can only variate your pitch by that much. so say to have a perfectly matched track, you need to have it at +0.025%. you can do nothing. however, a turnable is analog, it will variate by as much as you move the slider. in other words, a turntable in perfect condition is as accurate as YOU are with the slider. you can have it at +0.01%, +0.001% or even +0.000549863987608360347%. in conclusion, you can get a more accurate match on turntables, period. that some people do find it easier to spin on CDJs? true. that correcting is easier? true. but they are in no way more accurate.

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Originally posted by est Yeah, you can rip vinyl to digital easily. However, if a DJ wanted to play a tune on vinyl (for whatever reason), but it was only released on digital, there's no way that could be done .

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