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Originally posted by Allied Nations Digitally, Mike is right. If they are at EXACTLY the same bpm they will never drift.(Maybe after thousands of years or something) However, It there are two tunes pressed on vinyl at the same bpm they WILL drift because of the inevtiable innacuracies of turntables.

exactly, and this guy was talking about cds not vinyl. he said if they were both exactly the same bpm they would drift, which they wouldnt.

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Originally posted by djtroa I'd figure that was the case if it's done digitally or on a computor, but if it on a regular cdj, that not the case.

mate, a regular cdj plays digital music.

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle mate, a regular cdj plays digital music.

Cool, I never knew that about cdj. I only spin vinyl that why.

when I first started DJing I only had CDs
I had a trick to help me beatmatch

I used to assign a certain bpm to a track (135.0 BPM)
I would play that track at 0% pitch
Select your next song you want to mix and adjust the pitch to get exact (if possible) beatmatch
note the pitch adjustment of the second track (let's say its at +1,3%)
Now wrote down the BPM of your second track as 135.0+1.3 = 136.3BPM
136.3 is not the real BPM but when ever you want to mix this song with another one... you just calculate the difference between the number and that represent how much you need to set your pitch for those 2 tracks

136.3 and 134.5 means 1.8% pitch difference

compare another track with the 135 BPM as it will be your reference for your entire collection

some of you might think its cheap to do that... but it will force you to practice your beatmatch skills
you will soon be able to set your tracks at the right pitch in no time.


I stopped doing that when I started to play with vinyls and with TTs pitch precision I sometimes mix songs that are in sync for a good minute without having to touch anything.


morale of the story... practice is good for you

you can do it in abletr0n, import all your songs, set at same BPM, export, then burn.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 you can do it in abletr0n, import all your songs, set at same BPM, export, then burn.

Thats lame.

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Originally posted by Clovis86 Thats lame.

lol that is lame.. it takes about 15 seconds to beatmatch your average 2 tracks on a cdj..

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle lol that is lame.. it takes about 15 seconds to beatmatch your average 2 tracks on a cdj..

Yeah. With the bpm counter as a ballpark figure, its really pretty easy.

So when Tiesto says he sucks because he "has" to use CDJs...thats like the biggest ever

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Originally posted by Clovis86 Yeah. With the bpm counter as a ballpark figure, its really pretty easy. So when Tiesto says he sucks because he "has" to use CDJs...thats like the biggest ever

When the fuck did he say that ??

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Originally posted by Tayfoon When the fuck did he say that ??

lol yeah i was thinking that... does seem like a pretty retarded excuse really doesnt it!

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Originally posted by djtroa I'd figure that was the case if it's done digitally or on a computor, but if it on a regular cdj, that not the case.

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle mate, a regular cdj plays digital music.

pwned

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Originally posted by Clovis86 Yeah. With the bpm counter as a ballpark figure, its really pretty easy.

Not unless you cover the BPM display.

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Originally posted by DJ Charlie when I first started DJing I only had CDs I had a trick to help me beatmatch I used to assign a certain bpm to a track (135.0 BPM) I would play that track at 0% pitch Select your next song you want to mix and adjust the pitch to get exact (if possible) beatmatch note the pitch adjustment of the second track (let's say its at +1,3%) Now wrote down the BPM of your second track as 135.0+1.3 = 136.3BPM 136.3 is not the real BPM but when ever you want to mix this song with another one... you just calculate the difference between the number and that represent how much you need to set your pitch for those 2 tracks 136.3 and 134.5 means 1.8% pitch difference compare another track with the 135 BPM as it will be your reference for your entire collection some of you might think its cheap to do that... but it will force you to practice your beatmatch skills you will soon be able to set your tracks at the right pitch in no time. I stopped doing that when I started to play with vinyls and with TTs pitch precision I sometimes mix songs that are in sync for a good minute without having to touch anything. morale of the story... practice is good for you

mate , 135 + 1,3% =136.7

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Originally posted by Toufas mate , 135 + 1,3% =136.7

not quite! it's 136,755
so using only once decimal it would be 136,8

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Originally posted by idoru Not unless you cover the BPM display.

lol, just so you can look super cool. "yeah, i'm so good at mixing, i cover up my beat display"

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue lol, just so you can look super cool. "yeah, i'm so good at mixing, i cover up my beat display"

well what sort of idiot djs use beat counters anyway? professional djs can beatmatch in 10-20 secs anyway the human ear is a far more accurate tool than some digits on a beat counter that r not even reading the correct bpm so its far quicker to just use ur ears.

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Originally posted by sleepydragon well what sort of idiot djs use beat counters anyway? professional djs can beatmatch in 10-20 secs anyway the human ear is a far more accurate tool than some digits on a beat counter that r not even reading the correct bpm so its far quicker to just use ur ears.

but why on earth would you cover them up? that would make you the idiot. they are designed as a guide. they can shave off several seconds from the time it takes to beatmatch, so why not use them? i use them as a guide when im mixing, and i dont think im an idiot. i could do it without but why would i? its not FAR QUICKER to use your ears, if you know instantly roughly what tempo you are looking at on each track then of course its fucking quicker. you would be an idiot to rely on them, but not use them as a guide.

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Originally posted by DJ NEMESIS what's hardhouse?

sorry Im' not from the UK, and i don't associate Pete Wardman??? w/ Hard House b/c I don't know who the hell he is... But Jon Bishop on the other hand I do, he is a legend if you want to get into the subject of Hard House and names affiliated with that genre.

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Originally posted by Toufas mate , 135 + 1,3% =136.7

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Now wrote down the BPM of your second track as 135.0+1.3 = 136.3BPM 136.3 is not the real BPM but when ever you want to mix this song with another one... you just calculate the difference between the number and that represent how much you need to set your pitch for those 2 tracks

Unless you bring a calculator with you at the gig...
its just easier to calculate my way you just have to do one "fake BPM" minus another "fake BPM" and you get the pitch % you need to have between the two

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Originally posted by DJ Charlie Unless you bring a calculator with you at the gig... its just easier to calculate my way you just have to do one "fake BPM" minus another "fake BPM" and you get the pitch % you need to have between the two

this is really clever, I once had a gig and I actually used a calculator. I felt like an amateur, everybody was like, why are you using a calculator? I said it was the remote control for the disco lights.
this cleverness makes me want to live longer again

when i was mixing with decks, i never cared about the bpm nor made any calculations about how much i need to change the pitch..just use what it suits you.
also 0.5 bpm difference is gonna trainwreck

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle but why on earth would you cover them up? that would make you the idiot. they are designed as a guide. they can shave off several seconds from the time it takes to beatmatch, so why not use them? i use them as a guide when im mixing, and i dont think im an idiot. i could do it without but why would i? its not FAR QUICKER to use your ears, if you know instantly roughly what tempo you are looking at on each track then of course its fucking quicker. you would be an idiot to rely on them, but not use them as a guide.

Because there are those of us who started off with CDJs who plan on getting into vinyl later on. Do vinyl decks have BPM displays? No, and the mixers that have them are horribly inaccurate (I was spinning approx. 128 the other day, and the DJM said I was at 442-530).

It trains your ear so you don't have to look, so transitioning to vinyl actually makes sense to you, rather than going, "Uhh... How do I tell how fast I'm going?"

It's not to "look cool." A DJ should be able to do it by ear in the first place.

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Originally posted by Tayfoon When the fuck did he say that ??

He said it in an interview a while back. He said he was converting to cdjs and basically rationalized his bad mixing by using it as an excuse. If you can mix vinyl, you can mix with cdjs, its that easy

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Originally posted by idoru Not unless you cover the BPM display.

pwned

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Originally posted by idoru Because there are those of us who started off with CDJs who plan on getting into vinyl later on. Do vinyl decks have BPM displays? No, and the mixers that have them are horribly inaccurate (I was spinning approx. 128 the other day, and the DJM said I was at 442-530). It trains your ear so you don't have to look, so transitioning to vinyl actually makes sense to you, rather than going, "Uhh... How do I tell how fast I'm going?" It's not to "look cool." A DJ should be able to do it by ear in the first place.

so? he said its far easier to just use your ears.. bulshit. im not talking about learning. i can mix already, i dont have to learn to do it by ear, i already can lol.

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