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Just an FYI (alt. for others):
There is an another program for free.
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- Click software.
i don't have anything against apps that make dj'ing easier, progress is the future and dj's are overrated anyway, but 58$ for this kind of app?! that's barely reasonable if it had a success rate of 99.9% of tracks, which lets just say i don't have high hopes for.
DJM-800 
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| Originally posted by thoughtlessjex The DJ is important? |
). this program has the same thing as ableton does, beatmatching 2 or more tracks together. there's nothing left for the dj then to press a button at a certain point. a shame for the name/profession DJ, when its used wrong. with wrong i mean that the beatmatching/mixing is not done by the dj anymore ...
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| Originally posted by ThaMaestro yes, the dj is imoprtant. he makes (or doesnt make) the set. with this software, its nice to get a grip when mixing is hard in the begin, but you're becoming 70% less DJ i think. the mixing is gone, live-elements fade away .... its all software which is taking over (2 bad ). this program has the same thing as ableton does, beatmatching 2 or more tracks together. there's nothing left for the dj then to press a button at a certain point. a shame for the name/profession DJ, when its used wrong. with wrong i mean that the beatmatching/mixing is not done by the dj anymore ... |
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| Originally posted by paranoik0 sorry, but that's gotta be one of the biggest piles of bullshit i've read lately. the mixing is gone??!! this program beatmatches 2 tracks together like ableton??!! what the flying fuck. this program supposedly just gives a hint to dj's on what tracks should work out with each other, AND THAT'S IT. it's not a button that you click and returns a set automatically. and i'm all for keeping the beatmatching away from the dj's. if a computer can do it (and do it very well), why the fuck should we hand the job to a human? dj's can concentrate on other tasks, like trying to actually change the music live if they are able to. if they don't have the skills to do anything more than beatmatching, why the fuck should they be idolatrised like they are nowadays? it's actually great that it makes the DJ profession ridiculous, maybe then we'll be able to praise the guys that make the music instead of those that just play it. |
There are websites out there with big lists of keys for dance record so DJs who can't tell by ear can mix melodically.
don't know how I feel about technology taking over parts of djing that makes it a challenge and gives a dj who does it soley as a hobby hours and hours of pleasure at experimenting with records. Although it could be a helpful tool to a dj that plays out frequently to large crowds but at a house party or bedroom djing why would you need this. It's a shame that given the resources of these days that a dj isn't required to have nearly the amont of skill that was once required back when composers like Gy�rgy Ligeti and so forth were making giant strides in the Electronic Music World.What the big deal with this anyhow.
I say that if you can't do it by ear than you havn't got the talent it takes and maybe you should consider other options instead of djing. A product like this only gives a sense of false hope to those who really havn't got any musical aptitude. Kudos to the guy who made the program but anybody using it for djing purposes should be shot.
just my opinion
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| Originally posted by justin Kudos to the guy who made the program but anybody using it for djing purposes should be shot. |
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| Originally posted by paranoik0 Feel free to shoot Sasha and Armin then. (not like they are using exactly this program, but the harmonic mixing technique) |
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| Originally posted by justin don't know how I feel about technology taking over parts of djing that makes it a challenge and gives a dj who does it soley as a hobby hours and hours of pleasure at experimenting with records. Although it could be a helpful tool to a dj that plays out frequently to large crowds but at a house party or bedroom djing why would you need this. |
I took these screenshots of Mixed In Key today. You can click on thumbnails to enlarge them and see more detail.
Analyze Panel
Browse Collection Panel
Pop-up Menu
This is the basic interface of Mixed In Key.
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| Originally posted by paranoik0 sorry, but that's gotta be one of the biggest piles of bullshit i've read lately. the mixing is gone??!! this program beatmatches 2 tracks together like ableton??!! what the flying fuck. this program supposedly just gives a hint to dj's on what tracks should work out with each other, AND THAT'S IT. it's not a button that you click and returns a set automatically. and i'm all for keeping the beatmatching away from the dj's. if a computer can do it (and do it very well), why the fuck should we hand the job to a human? dj's can concentrate on other tasks, like trying to actually change the music live if they are able to. if they don't have the skills to do anything more than beatmatching, why the fuck should they be idolatrised like they are nowadays? it's actually great that it makes the DJ profession ridiculous, maybe then we'll be able to praise the guys that make the music instead of those that just play it. |
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| Originally posted by justin don't know how I feel about technology taking over parts of djing that makes it a challenge and gives a dj who does it soley as a hobby hours and hours of pleasure at experimenting with records. Although it could be a helpful tool to a dj that plays out frequently to large crowds but at a house party or bedroom djing why would you need this. It's a shame that given the resources of these days that a dj isn't required to have nearly the amont of skill that was once required back when composers like Gy�rgy Ligeti and so forth were making giant strides in the Electronic Music World.What the big deal with this anyhow. I say that if you can't do it by ear than you havn't got the talent it takes and maybe you should consider other options instead of djing. A product like this only gives a sense of false hope to those who really havn't got any musical aptitude. Kudos to the guy who made the program but anybody using it for djing purposes should be shot. just my opinion |
If it pisses off the elitists I'm all for it! 
Hey guys,
Here is the story behind Mixed In Key:
Before I developed Mixed In Key, I had to key songs manually. My Dad has good hearing and pitch, so we would spend time together on the weekends going through my tunes, with him playing the keyboard. He would play the melody and find the root note.
After keying about 1200 songs, we decided to use some statistics to find out how many are actually harmonically compatible. We found that any two songs from my collection have a 23% chance to be harmonically compatible. I love how harmonic mixing sounds, so I wanted to improve that ratio. I couldn't ask my dad to help me all the time, so I started developing this program. I am an official Microsoft Partner, so I'm completely qualified to write custom Windows software. Mixed In Key was developed for DJs and musicians who already know how to beatmatch, read the crowd, etc. With Mixed In Key, DJs can spend more time on finding great music, promoting themselves, putting together mixed CDs, etc. The purpose of this program is to do a great job of detecting keys, and show them to the DJ in a clean and friendly format.
Mixed In Key makes DJs sound like top-rated producers and helps them stand out from the crowd.
What do you think?
Thanks,
Yakov
I think you've successfully hyped your product beyond all reasonable doubt, and you should really give it a rest. This is TA, not prime-time advertising space.
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| Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I think you've successfully hyped your product beyond all reasonable doubt, and you should really give it a rest. This is TA, not prime-time advertising space. |
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| Originally posted by nennon Hey guys, Here is the story behind Mixed In Key: Before I developed Mixed In Key, I had to key songs manually. My Dad has good hearing and pitch, so we would spend time together on the weekends going through my tunes, with him playing the keyboard. He would play the melody and find the root note. After keying about 1200 songs, we decided to use some statistics to find out how many are actually harmonically compatible. We found that any two songs from my collection have a 23% chance to be harmonically compatible. I love how harmonic mixing sounds, so I wanted to improve that ratio. I couldn't ask my dad to help me all the time, so I started developing this program. I am an official Microsoft Partner, so I'm completely qualified to write custom Windows software. Mixed In Key was developed for DJs and musicians who already know how to beatmatch, read the crowd, etc. With Mixed In Key, DJs can spend more time on finding great music, promoting themselves, putting together mixed CDs, etc. The purpose of this program is to do a great job of detecting keys, and show them to the DJ in a clean and friendly format. Mixed In Key makes DJs sound like top-rated producers and helps them stand out from the crowd. What do you think? Thanks, Yakov |
this sounds like it could be useful cuz it is a bitch to key all your records manually. but i think the harmonic mixing method, while cool at times, makes u forget that sometimes records that aren't matched in theory, actually do.
as for all this automated bullshit, i agree. dj'ing, while it is not pure musicianship, you should at least have the ability to beatmatch by ear and hear how tracks go together. blindly sticking record A in Cmajor with record B in Gmajor together just cuz they are dominant fifths is like saying classical can be mixed with r&b cuz they are both at 80 or 100bpm.
people forget that while technology helps, it isn't all powerful. britney with all the pitch correction programs in the world still sounds like shit cuz its well....britney.
(sidenote, i am not against ableton though cuz it does open a lot of doors. i am, however, against those that use ableton for the pure usage of just plain mixing. that's utterly pointless.)
I think it is useful software.
For a DJ on the go, they can simply feed some songs into the program and have it give suggestions on what songs might harmonically mix together. For a DJ who receives many tracks, this might help them decide what would work functionally in their sets. It doesnt require them to mix them unless they choose to and it streamlines some set creation.
The price, however, is all wrong. 60 bucks for a piece of software had better have some decent return on it, and a simple list of suggestions of in-tune songs that I could have compiled myself will not cut it, especially when I would use only 30-40% max of the suggestions it presents.
As far as saying what the DJ is supposed to do or what comprises DJing, I can't agree. Also, spam in the music forum? for shame...you should have went to the DJ Booth...
This technology stuff is getting out of hand. Sure it makes the djing side of things easier and you can do more stuff. But as it does this, it takes away the art.
It was bad enough when every man and his dog bought decks and a mixer, but at least then though they called them selves a DJ, the majority couldnt mix for shit, and had no idea about what tunes go well with what, etc.
Now any old sod can "DJ" using current technology.
harmonic mixing is good. but i rather hear a good song than hearing c sharps all night
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| Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 This technology stuff is getting out of hand. Sure it makes the djing side of things easier and you can do more stuff. But as it does this, it takes away the art. It was bad enough when every man and his dog bought decks and a mixer, but at least then though they called them selves a DJ, the majority couldnt mix for shit, and had no idea about what tunes go well with what, etc. Now any old sod can "DJ" using current technology. |
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| Originally posted by Aquarian There may be art behind DJing but this certainly isn't it. This is more like tedious repetitive work. Art is creating things - knowing which tunes to put together and in what order, doing original things, not spending hours with a piano identifying keys, not matching speeds with some old outdated piece of technology. The only people who are afraid of technologies like software, CDJs, beat counters and this thing are people who didn't have any artistic ability to begin with, and without all those pointless technical tasks, they're nothing. |
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| Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 You know you just totally contradicted yourself there mate. |
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