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Originally posted by Dark_Archonis Laws only work if the majority follows them. If the masses in society disregard a law, and don't follow it for an extended period of time, then maybe that law should be examined, and such a law should not be a law for long.

i completely agree. This is yet another series of laws and policies that need to be overhauled

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I find it ironic that you, who yourself are against many laws and regulations, one who values their freedom, would be so adamant in this case of completely following the law. Quite convenient isn't it?

while i dont agree with many of our laws, i am still forced to obey them or face consequences if caught. I see no difference in how I view illegal immigration. While i do think legal immigration procedure needs change, i do think that people should obey the law. If you dont like something, either try to have it changed or move.I hate last call and i hate open container laws but you will never see me drinking past 2 or having a beer on a beach in canada. I dont feel like facing the law. It better to try and have it changed.

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The Liberals wanted to give some of these people status, based on a reasonable criteria; are you going to tell me what the Liberals planned was "illegal" and "against" the system currently in place?

the liberals had 13 years to fix immigration policy and they did squat. So they were "going to" do something about this? Well 13 years ago they were also "going to" eliminate the GST and implement national childcare and that never happened either.

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I hope you do realize how the system works right? The system does have a backlog as others have said, and it's a slow process. What about the thousands and thousands of people who have come here legally, but wait YEARS to gain status? What if you're waiting for status, and suddenly you are sent a notice of deportation? You don't have status, and by the current narrow definition, you would be deemed "illegal". Doesn't that seem funny to you?

the law states that to receive "status" you must remain in your origin country. You cannot await immigration status and live in canada unless you are a refugee. One of my friends had to wait 4 years in Argentina before she could move here. Should this change? yes. Should you jump the queue because of it? No.

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Again, as stated before, *a lot* of people don't have the money to come to Canada, and to pay all the accompanying fees. A lot of people also to a lesser extent don't have enough credentials that meet Canada's ignorant immigration policy, which fails to recognize education from many world-class universities.

I dont have money to pay for parking, should i just leave my car on the sidewalk instead?

I dont agree with the immigrant landing fee but i also dont think that this is a legitimate excuse either.

I also agree that more foreign credentials need to be recognized but THAT STILL DOES NOT MEAN THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO IGNORE THE RULES THAT ARE IN PLACE.

My car can go 200 but im only allowed to do 100 on the highway. According to the logic displayed here, because my car can go 200 i should be allowed to anyways, to hell with everyone else.

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Economically, deporting many of these people will have a detrimental effect to Canada's economy. I think the Conservatives are doing this more to for gaining people's approval, than for any other reasons.

While i dont know the reason why they are picking on europeans, i do know that this is a part of a greater stand on immigration. Harper has already outlined plans to streamline credentials processes to make it easier for doctors and other professionals to practice here. The wheels are already in motion for this. He is also significantly reducing and possibly eliminating the landing fee. These are things that chretien/martin never ever got around to.

Also worth mentioning is how the first act of harper in office was to apologize to chinese canadians about the head tax. Something Mr dithers couldnt be bothered with.

I dont agree with picking on soley europeans (or any other specific ethnic group) but i do agree with making people follow the law and offereing consequences for those who dont.

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Originally posted by evil_cookie Stephen Harper that is all.

who is actually making it easier for LEGITIMATE foreign trained professionals to work and live here.

How do you know that Europeans are being picked on? I don't see proof anywhere. 2 or 3 high profile stories by the media doesnt mean shit and I'm sorry but for the people who believe this crap, YOU are a tool of the media. Remember when propping up stories like this they have the intention to make others feel sorry for the subject (such as Jayx1), and obviously seeing a white person, most people will relate more to them. Thats just how our society is. And I am a legal EUROPEAN immigrant myuself. Also I would not be surprised at all if there are proportionally more illegal European immigrants than other races --> just look at the people who work cash only jobs and also those involved in organized crime.

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Originally posted by InfinitEuphoria This is the most real thing stated in this thread. EVERY SINGLE one of these cases should be analyized INDIVIDUALLY!!!! Someone being here illegally, may only mean that they have "no status" because the fukin gov'n makes them pay tens of thousands of dollars to plead why they should be here, makes them wait many years (my bf is currently at 5 yrs) to decide whether or not u can stay, during this time u build a life, a home, a job, friends, all valuble aspects of life...and then they tell u u have 2 wks to leave??? Tell me WUT THE FUK DO U DO THEN??? You have no life back at the country u came from, you havent been able to save much money with the lawyer fees, mortgages, and day to day expenses so pretty much the last 5 or so years, have been a waste of time and money. A majority of "these people" don't come here to sit on their asses and live off of our taxes. They come here to get ahead in life, to work hard, support their children and be able to make a good living, because as hard as you work in MANY European countries, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get ahead in life. We shouldn't be throwing these people out, we should be thanking them for helping to build one of the most multi-culturally educated countries in the world.

nicely done...i'm so agree with you.

i have to much to say that i decide to say few lines.. 1) there is few ignorants in this thread which i recomend to start thinking before speaking...

canada is a country of posibility and people come here because of that. they are trying to give a better life to their families. immigrats are doing all the disgusties jobs that some canadians don;t want to do...sorry if i'm offending anybody
but some illegal immigrats are is the process to get a visa and sadly they have to work if they want to eat(the goverment doesn't understant that).the whole process is a pain in the butt but it;s the way it has to be.

how about we send everyone back to wtv they came from, and give back the native americans their land!

Re: Deportation begins

"said Melanie Desousa, an Alvez family friend"

LOL Melanie is one of my close friends. No one is affected in my family, but this is pretty ridiculous news, especially with the short notices. In a couple of months or hopefully sooner, Harper will realize what a stupid decision it was. The construction industry will be in high demand for workers...Building completion will be slowed down or even halted. It's totally unfair, especially to those who have been here for 5+ years. My father's friend, who even successfully runs his own business had to be deported..

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Originally posted by jesteraver how about we send everyone back to wtv they came from, and give back the native americans their land!

I come from here... where would i go?

people are confusing the PRIVELEGE of immigration with the RIGHT of immigration.

Immigration is not a right at all. It is a privelege that countries grant in order TO FULFILL THEIR OWN NEEDS.


The only people who have a full legitimate right to be here are those who are born here. Everyone else has to be granted the privelege.

I agree our immigration laws need to be overhauled bigtime, just like alot of our laws need to. But, do we not need to obey the other laws in the meantime, why should this be so different?

I mean, damn I may not like the fact that I have to pay 30% of my income to the gouvernment, but I still have to. I would love to be able to smoke a joint anywhere and anytime I want, but alas I cannot. Laws may not always be liked, but they are still the laws until changed.

I may not know much about this particular case, but I know quite a few people who have been able to successfully immigrate to Canada the proper way, and it didn't take no 7 years to do so.

Granted, stuff takes longer in a mega-city like Toronto, BUT if I was trying to immigrate myself to a country like Canada from whomever knows where, it would be of top priority to be able to stay in this country. And how do you stay in a country like this, you follow the laws, PERIOD.

Deport on all the gangsters, they take up too much space on public transportation because they wear baggy pants.

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Originally posted by Dark_Archonis I find it ironic that you, who yourself are against many laws and regulations, one who values their freedom, would be so adamant in this case of completely following the law. Quite convenient isn't it? The Liberals wanted to give some of these people status, based on a reasonable criteria; are you going to tell me what the Liberals planned was "illegal" and "against" the system currently in place?

I'm glad you stated that fact that a "no-status" (the government is yet to say yes or no, this is the VERY LENGTHY process) = an "illegal". This is the MOST ANNOYING, IGNORANT and FRUSTERATING part. They can send you that letter whenever they please. Just imagine what you would do at that point.

JAYx1: so I'm guessing you abide by all of Canada's rules right? BULLSHIT

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Originally posted by jesteraver how about we send everyone back to wtv they came from, and give back the native americans their land!

I don't think there's any need for humour in this forum, seeing as it is quite a serious topic. Why don't you go back to taking advantage of being able to live here freely, and the rest of us will detest or defend the ones who cannot.
Thank you

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Originally posted by InfinitEuphoria I'm glad you stated that fact that a "no-status" (the government is yet to say yes or no, this is the VERY LENGTHY process) = an "illegal". This is the MOST ANNOYING, IGNORANT and FRUSTERATING part. They can send you that letter whenever they please. Just imagine what you would do at that point. JAYx1: so I'm guessing you abide by all of Canada's rules right? BULLSHIT

Do i speed once in awhile? sure. But Am I going to take the punishment when i get caught? Yes

Do i think the speed limit should be changed? Of course!

But why should i act surprised if i get caught speeding?

Same thing with illegal immigrants. They can ride the tide as long as they like but when they get caught, why should they suddenly be exempt from the punishment?

Whats fair is fair. They knew damn well they were illegally doing what they were doing. Instead of moaning and whining, perhaps their supporters who are legal residents of canada should try and have the laws changed so that their friends can enter legally.

PS i believe "no status" is in reference to refugee claiments who do have a right to be here while they are awaiting a hearing. Last time i checked, very few portuguese people are refugees. All other immigrants BY LAW must wait in their country of origin for the process to determine whether they can live in canada or not.


I love how some elements here are trying to paint a picture of me as being anti immigrant just because i happen to agree with fairness. Meanwhile ive already helped 2 close friends through the entagled web of immigration procedure. This is why i find it insulting for some people to ask that people who had NO REGARD for this process to be granted some sort of immunity. The people i know went through a long and lengthy process. Already fluent in english, one of them even learned a whole new language (french) so shed have better odds of entering the country!!! And of course when she arrived here after applying as a teacher though the embassy she got here and was told "sorry your 10 years of teaching experience and Bed arent recognized here" What a sham!

Reform the laws to make it easier for foreign trained degrees to be accepted. If we have a construction labour shortage as claimed, reform the law so that we can admit people with these skills. Meanwhile deport the ones who had no regard for the law in the first place. Once the laws have been changed they can re-apply along with everyone else.

If you are a Canadian who doesnt like our laws: CHANGE THEM by voting, questioning MPs and possibly running for election yourself.

If you are applying to live here and dont like the laws: tough shit... you dont have any right to determine our laws as i do not have any right to influence a foreign country's laws.

What ever happened to common sense?

They are humans, remember...

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Originally posted by Cribby They are humans, remember...

Yes, they are humans. No one here as far as I have read disputes that, except a few stupid comments made. But the point of the matter is, if any of us immigrated illegally to another country like the US or any other first world country, do you really think that we would be able to stay, unless the proper procedures are followed? No, we would not.

When you enter another country and intend on staying in that country, should you not have to follow that countries policies to do so? We would be given the same chance that is given in here in Canada, but once that chance is up, we would be deported as well, as we should be.

Our immigration laws do need to be changed, but until they are changed we must, as well as any other person trying to come here, must follow those laws. What is the point of having a law if our own gouvernment cannot enforce those laws.

Yes, we do need to change the immigration act. But, how should it be changed:

1) Should we allow just anyone to come?
2) Should we allow criminals to enter?
3) Should we allow someone who cannot provide the means to support themselves?
4) Should we just allow anyone who shows up on our doorstep to stay?

We need to stop and think that our laws are our laws and that they have been made for the better of our country. These laws have helped build Canada into the only country that I will ever call home. And I'm proud to call Canada home because of the way our social system has been built. Which is probably the same reasons that people want to immigrate here in the first place.

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Originally posted by Cribby They are humans, remember...

humans need to obey the law

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Originally posted by Jayx1 humans need to obey the law

and u are a without a doubt the most law abiding citizen in our country by the sounds of how u speak...

*end sarcasm*

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Originally posted by lopi and u are a without a doubt the most law abiding citizen in our country by the sounds of how u speak... *end sarcasm*

I call for a change in law... but i dont break them because i know there will be consequnces. There is a BIG difference

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