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Yeah there are lots of securities in any country that has just been liberated or made

Re: George Bush

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Originally posted by KeSs Will go down as the worst president in US history. Thats all, just giving everyone the heads up.

Get out of this forum and don't come back.

i love you tiesto14

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Originally posted by Kapedan i love you tiesto14

cool, glad someone does

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Originally posted by tiesto14 cool, glad someone does

Yup Where you been? I havent seen u in a while? Im gouuryella by the way

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Originally posted by Kapedan Yup Where you been? I havent seen u in a while? Im gouuryella by the way

oh wow havent seen u in a long time...i have been great actually...hope u have been as well old friend

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Originally posted by tiesto14 oh wow havent seen u in a long time...i have been great actually...hope u have been as well old friend

I've been good as well man. Im glad that your doing well, and glad to see that your back in here..althogh, sometimes I dont even want to be in here, kind of a waste of time, but its a bit addicting, and plus, its nice messing with liberals minds .

i come on when i am listening to new sets...otherwise i get bored staring at the walls...lol,,,and nothing like pissing off a liberal in my book.

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Originally posted by Kapedan Yup Where you been? I havent seen u in a while? Im gouuryella by the way

You ARE????

oh my....I had no idea...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r You ARE???? oh my....I had no idea...

aaawwww...the 3 of us make an old school TA reunion...LOL

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r You ARE???? oh my....I had no idea...

really? lol..I wasnt really into the whole gouuryella sn..when i registered i didnt plan on posting alot..so i made up one..and i happend to like the old gouryella, ahh classics

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Well, Rome wasn't built in a day. Things take time. It will, eventually, work out and be a country that will flourish...but right now it is a hard place.

Right,you think your people will just sit and watch their troops get blown up day after day for the next 10 years?I highly doubt that.
Dont forget whos money being wasted on this war it is your money and dont forget who is paying the price of this war,the blood of the Iraqi people.

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How many years did it take for America to become a civil place during the Revolutionary war? It doesnt happen over night.

ok but you have to understand that democracy wont always work all the time on some countries and most importantly it cant be forcerd.
Iraq has been ruled under dictatorship for many years and thats why they have survived for this long.Funny thing is Bush thought this was going to be piece of cake and I doubt he relized how fucked he really is.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Right,you think your people will just sit and watch their troops get blown up day after day for the next 10 years?I highly doubt that. Dont forget whos money being wasted on this war it is your money and dont forget who is paying the price of this war,the blood of the Iraqi people.

Granted many troops have died....but not nearly as many as most wars. There are sacrifices when one goes to war...be it money or life but when the outcome can be far greater in the end the needs of the majority out-weigh the needs of the few.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer ok but you have to understand that democracy wont always work all the time on some countries and most importantly it cant be forcerd.

It works 90% of the time though...and seeing where Iraqis came from it is worth the effort. And 10,20 or 30 years from now the country will be better off when the PEOPLE have a say...a say that they wont be tortured or condemned for.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Iraq has been ruled under dictatorship for many years and thats why they have survived for this long.

They survived this long out of fear not out of love of their country...big difference. Seems like you are saying they should of stayed under Hussein's rule simply because it was what they are used to...never minding the fact they lived in a horrid state.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Funny thing is Bush thought this was going to be piece of cake and I doubt he relized how fucked he really is.

I agree they underestimated the war not realizing that terrorists would come in and do their nasty deeds...but overall the war was a success...they took over the country quite easily...but like is aid the terrorists are the ones who are causing the problems...not the Iraqi citizens revolting. Again a big difference.

im not gona get into a prolonged argument so here are my 2c

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and dont forget who is paying the price of this war,the blood of the Iraqi people.

so the coalition hasn't lost any souls?

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democracy wont always work all the time on some countries and most importantly it cant be forcerd.

lol @ grammar

can't be forced? really? let me tell u something, kid, every government in the world is forced. the very principle of government is that it is forced upon the people it governs. otherwise it wouldn't be a government. how can you govern if the people don't adhere to your rules? granted it is not perfect, and positive change takes time, democracy is the far lesser of many evils. so unless you admit that your ideal government is utopian, why dont u just shut the fuk up already with the anti everything western, its fuking old.

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Originally posted by Dopey im not gona get into a prolonged argument so here are my 2c so the coalition hasn't lost any souls? lol @ grammar can't be forced? really? let me tell u something, kid, every government in the world is forced. the very principle of government is that it is forced upon the people it governs. otherwise it wouldn't be a government. how can you govern if the people don't adhere to your rules? granted it is not perfect, and positive change takes time, democracy is the far lesser of many evils. so unless you admit that your ideal government is utopian, why dont u just shut the fuk up already with the anti everything western, its fuking old.

Fact is the west is losing the war and their asses is getting blown up everyday!!!

Go Iraqis Go!!!!

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Fact is the west is losing the war and their asses is getting blown up everyday!!! Go Iraqis Go!!!!

Intelligent responce.

FOR GOD'S SAKE, LET THIS THREAD DIE.

Look if you do some critical thinking you would see that GWB has been one of the greatest presidents ever. He has stood strong when we were attacked and his actions for war were that of a good leader. He didn't ONLY go after the terrorists he went after a whole country that was completly innocent of harbouring any terrorists or having any WMDs. Also he wanted to privatise SS which would make rich people even richer. Don't you think that is good?

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Look if you do some critical thinking you would see that GWB has been one of the greatest presidents ever. He has stood strong when we were attacked and his actions for war were that of a good leader. He didn't ONLY go after the terrorists he went after a whole country that was completly innocent of harbouring any terrorists or having any WMDs. Also he wanted to privatise SS which would make rich people even richer. Don't you think that is good?

i was laughing untill i realized you were being seroius.

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Originally posted by Lepanto i was laughing untill i realized you were being seroius.

On my continuation of how GWB is one of the greatest presidents ever. He has increased the debt by trillions in the name of keeping the economy growing and our self reliance growing on foreign nations. He also got away with ILLEGAL wiretaps because he is so freaking powerful all politicians just shiat their pants when it comes to opposing him and his administration. Go against him you go against FOX and that is not possible to do. He has also giving us some great moments on the Daily show with all his mumbling and ya.




LEpanto you took me off myspace?

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Fact is the west is losing the war and their asses is getting blown up everyday!!! Go Iraqis Go!!!!

since you're not replying to my points and are just making random idiotic comments, i'll assume you completely agree with me.

and iraqis arent only blowing americans up, they are blowing eachother up at a much higher rate. so by u saying "go iraqis," in regards to violence, i guess you are suporting a civil conflict. smart

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Originally posted by Dopey can't be forced? really? let me tell u something, kid, every government in the world is forced. the very principle of government is that it is forced upon the people it governs. otherwise it wouldn't be a government. how can you govern if the people don't adhere to your rules? granted it is not perfect, and positive change takes time, democracy is the far lesser of many evils. so unless you admit that your ideal government is utopian, why dont u just shut the fuk up already with the anti everything western, its fuking old.

Yes, you are right, I completely agree with you; the government is forced; but not the system behind that governance.

Re: George Bush

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Originally posted by KeSs Will go down as the worst president in US history. Thats all, just giving everyone the heads up.

I think some average US citizen will shoot him before that happens.

I liked this thread of yours much more:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=321913

Your point was proved after the very first post in your thread. lol

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Granted many troops have died....but not nearly as many as most wars. There are sacrifices when one goes to war...be it money or life but when the outcome can be far greater in the end the needs of the majority out-weigh the needs of the few.

I agree but do you really think G.W Bush went to this war for the sake of the Iraqi people?Why isnt he helping other people in this world like in Africa that are dying everyday?why isnt he bringing Democracy to Saudi Arabia for example?

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It works 90% of the time though...and seeing where Iraqis came from it is worth the effort. And 10,20 or 30 years from now the country will be better off when the PEOPLE have a say...a say that they wont be tortured or condemned for.

Thats the Americans way of thinking,But how do you know for fact that this is what the Iraqis want?
It doesnt seem like they are up for decmocracy to me.If anything they would want to have a islamic regime similar to Iran.So Bush went to Iraq to make another Islamic regime in the middle east?

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They survived this long out of fear not out of love of their country...big difference. Seems like you are saying they should of stayed under Hussein's rule simply because it was what they are used to...never minding the fact they lived in a horrid state.

Agian Democracy has many meanings.Maybe to them a free country means having Islam as a rule of law,would that be a problem?

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I agree they underestimated the war not realizing that terrorists would come in and do their nasty deeds...but overall the war was a success...

This war was and still is a disaster and the mission was never accomplished and I doubt it ever will be.

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they took over the country quite easily...but like is aid the terrorists are the ones who are causing the problems...not the Iraqi citizens revolting. Again a big difference.

So is this Success to you?How so? first you have the terrorists from around the world coming into Iraq and killing everyone and now you have a civil war going on.
To me this is a real disaster.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer why isnt he bringing Democracy to Saudi Arabia for example?

they didn't try to invade and steal oil from neighboring countries and gas people for starters.

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But how do you know for fact that this is what the Iraqis want?

15 million Iraqis do. but you know better, right? cause you're so worldly with your intraweb and stuff.

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It doesnt seem like they are up for decmocracy to me.

seriously, they don't care what you've been fed by your choice of media. to be honest, they don't care about mine either.

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Agian Democracy has many meanings.Maybe to them a free country means having Islam as a rule of law,would that be a problem?

"Verily we have honored the children of Adam" (Qur'an 17:70)
We the sons of Mesopotamia, land of the prophets, resting place of the holy imams, the leaders of civilization and the creators of the alphabet, the cradle of arithmetic: on our land, the first law put in place by mankind was written; in our nation, the most noble era of justice in the politics of nations was laid down; on our soil, the followers of the prophet and the saints prayed, the philosophers and the scientists theorized and the writers and poets created.
Recognizing God's right upon us; obeying the call of our nation and our citizens; responding to the call of our religious and national leaders and the insistence of our great religious authorities and our leaders and our reformers, we went by the millions for the first time in our history to the ballot box, men and women, young and old, on January 30, 2005, remembering the pains of the despotic band's sectarian oppression of the majority; inspired by the suffering of Iraq's martyrs � Sunni and Shiite, Arab, Kurd and Turkomen, and the remaining brethren in all communities � inspired by the injustice against the holy cities in the popular uprising and against the marshes and other places; recalling the agonies of the national oppression in the massacres of Halabja, Barzan, Anfal and against the Faili Kurds; inspired by the tragedies of the Turkomen in Bashir and the suffering of the people of the western region, whom the terrorists and their allies sought to take hostage and prevent from participating in the elections and the establishment of a society of peace and brotherhood and cooperation so we can create a new Iraq, Iraq of the future, without sectarianism, racial strife, regionalism, discrimination or isolation.
Terrorism and takfir (declaring someone an infidel) did not divert us from moving forward to build a nation of law. Sectarianism and racism did not stop us from marching together to strengthen our national unity, set ways to peacefully transfer power, adopt a manner to fairly distribute wealth and give equal opportunity to all.
We the people of Iraq, newly arisen from our disasters and looking with confidence to the future through a democratic, federal, republican system, are determined � men and women, old and young � to respect the rule of law, reject the policy of aggression, pay attention to women and their rights, the elderly and their cares, the children and their affairs, spread the culture of diversity and defuse terrorism.
We are the people of Iraq, who in all our forms and groupings undertake to establish our union freely and by choice, to learn yesterday's lessons for tomorrow, and to write down this permanent constitution from the high values and ideals of the heavenly messages and the developments of science and human civilization, and to adhere to this constitution, which shall preserve for Iraq its free union of people, land and sovereignty.

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This war was and still is a disaster and the mission was never accomplished and I doubt it ever will be.

i guess the upside is that you're just one misinformed young person from Canada that has nothing invested in the struggle.

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