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Originally posted by infinity HiGH It is. Mainly because most other languages follow the "pronounce the way you spell it" rule...whereas English doesn't. Just look at words like though, through, right and so on. If you're used to pronouncing a word the way it's spelt then that would throw you off. Nevertheless, I think all immigrants should be put into a 8-week ESL course so they could at least grasp the basics and be able to get through every day life.

I agree. Let's run this country.

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Originally posted by RapidFire youve obviously never been beaten with breadsticks

Once...but....that was a long time ago.....

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Originally posted by dj_bas Unless you're from the French-Canadian part, then you just don't do anything

plus un
vive la liberte!
fuck le monde!

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Originally posted by Slylee i am definitely the type to appreciate and embrace other cultures...i've travelled a lot and i want to travel even more in the future, but i don't know, i guess i'm really burned out on miami and the whole latin culture where no one really cares to learn english and everyone just caters to being spanish. you can't even get a job in miami these days unless you are fluent in spanish...kinda sucks but whatever. looking forward to your post lira.

Florida was discovered by Ponce de Leon. Therefore it shouldnt be surprising people don't care about english there. I think you should learn spanish.

doesn't your bf speak spanish? isn't he hispanic

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Originally posted by Danny Ocean Florida was discovered by Ponce de Leon. Therefore it shouldnt be surprising people don't care about english there. I think you should learn spanish.

yea i'm sure that's the reasoning behind CUBANS not wanting to learn english...because a EUROPEAN discovered florida. lol

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd doesn't your bf speak spanish? isn't he hispanic

no. he's a corn fed ohio state boy


but i have had 2 boyfriends in the past who were hispanic. one was venezuelan and the other one was half dominican half white. i don't really like dating latin men. too macho

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Originally posted by Slylee yea i'm sure that's the reasoning behind CUBANS not wanting to learn english...because a EUROPEAN discovered florida. lol

Ill give you this though, cuban spanish has a absolutely horrible accent. Sorry Cubans, but i know you know it's true.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd Well... what happened to the idea that the US is a "melting pot"?

That's a misused term. The proper term would be "mosaic of cultures". A melting pot is an area where all those different cultures merge together into one entity. For example; Montreal.

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Originally posted by Slylee no. he's a corn fed ohio state boy but i have had 2 boyfriends in the past who were hispanic. one was venezuelan and the other one was half dominican half white. i don't really like dating latin men. too macho

dominicans FTW! anyways, it is true that its a tad ridiculous for locals to have to learn another language to survive in their own comunities, but if you think about it, theyre is no "us culture" apart from consuming everything in sight and i think most people adapt to that one pretty easily. I think latin people are just being able to achieve way better what other groups have tried already, to keep their culture and injected into wherever they lived. The asians are to reserved to try it all out, and the europeans that moved over to the us in the past would rather isolate themselves, i just think latin people are more social and have the balls to try and socialize and keep their own stuff

i think part of the problem has been touched on in the thread. the immigrants that do come here dont want to assimilate to the culture and instead bring their culture and expect us to adapt/cater to them. but i guess the native americans feel the same way about us.

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Originally posted by jdat and mannnnnnnnnnnny other countries. I for one living in France live in a predominently turkish area. I love it. The grocery store where I do most of my shopping has everything in turkish so I sometimes have to guess what the products are but for the most part I have it quite well figured out. Perhaps these people aren't integrated ( they barely speak french actually ) but I don't care. They are working honestly so good for them! Look around the world and everywhere there are little foreign colonies inside all the big cities.

A difference is that the "immigrants" here are actually trying or wanting to become citizens of the state, while in France and other European countries it is very hard to become a citizen. Most "immigrants' in European countries are not citizens nor try to be, rather they come in on a working visa or a foriegn workers program.

Isn't this part of what the riots in France were about? Poor foriegn workers feeling like they are getting the very short of end of the stick, partly because they weren't citizens?

Compared to most of the world becoming a citizen in the USA is easy.

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Originally posted by NebulousQ A difference is that the "immigrants" here are actually trying or wanting to become citizens of the state, while in France and other European countries it is very hard to become a citizen. Most "immigrants' in European countries are not citizens nor try to be, rather they come in on a working visa or a foriegn workers program. Isn't this part of what the riots in France were about? Poor foriegn workers feeling like they are getting the very short of end of the stick, partly because they weren't citizens? Compared to most of the world becoming a citizen in the USA is easy.

yea what the hell was that all about? i thought they said it was because they passed a law that allows employers to fire younger employees without notice....hahah my bf and i were like, "uhh, isn't that what getting fired is?"

seriously though, those riots were crazy! fucking animals, i felt bad for the cops that was horrible...are they still going on? i try not to watch the news that much.

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Originally posted by Slylee yea what the hell was that all about? i thought they said it was because they passed a law that allows employers to fire younger employees without notice....hahah my bf and i were like, "uhh, isn't that what getting fired is?" seriously though, those riots were crazy! fucking animals, i felt bad for the cops that was horrible...are they still going on? i try not to watch the news that much.

different riots Jamie. He was talking about last years riots

sowwy! the nature of the riots sounded similar.



but still...what's going on with those happening now?

made this post in a similar thread in the PDD recently...


i have no problem with people coming to america as long as it's done legally, showing me they actually want to be here...what i do have a problem with is a entire culture pooring over the border because their country doesn't care enough about them and basically turning california into a giant barrio. the problem with immigration in this country is that the mexican communities that spill over the border have no desire to assimilate into our society and culture. they come for higher wages and to leech off of american resources and that's it.


obviously there is nothing that can really be done about the huge population of illegals now. what really needs to happen to solve the problem is to improve the quality of life in mexico. of course that will never happen because their government is too corrupt to do anything about it.

the only thing i think would ever fix mexico though is if the united states annexed mexico and put in the money to fix it. they will never do it themselves.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller the only thing i think would ever fix mexico though is if the united states annexed mexico and put in the money to fix it. they will never do it themselves.

this would be a disaster, though, because suddenly all the 18-21-yr-old American kids wouldn't have anywhere to party and drink

hahah that's funny, my boss just came over and was like, "look out the window" that same protest is going on in downtown ft.lauderdale now.

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Originally posted by NebulousQ Compared to most of the world becoming a citizen in the USA is easy.

Not if you're from the UK it isn't!

My dad moved to Ohio for legitimate reasons.....because of a woman he loved. It took him 3 years+ to get a green card and he was treated so badly by the immigration service! Everytime he filled in a he had to pay, and everytime they lost it he had to pay again. His wife got investigated and he had to come backwards and fowards for years before he then had to stay in the States for 2 years without visiting for fear of not being let back in!

And amoungst all this he couldn't work for over a year due to work permit issues.....topped by the work permit he did get running out before he got his green card while his wife could no longer work due to back injuries suffered in her last job!

It seems the US immigration office has one rule for certain cultures/nationalities and one rule for other!

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Originally posted by Floorfiller made this post in a similar thread in the PDD recently... i have no problem with people coming to america as long as it's done legally, showing me they actually want to be here...what i do have a problem with is a entire culture pooring over the border because their country doesn't care enough about them and basically turning california into a giant barrio. the problem with immigration in this country is that the mexican communities that spill over the border have no desire to assimilate into our society and culture. they come for higher wages and to leech off of american resources and that's it. obviously there is nothing that can really be done about the huge population of illegals now. what really needs to happen to solve the problem is to improve the quality of life in mexico. of course that will never happen because their government is too corrupt to do anything about it. the only thing i think would ever fix mexico though is if the united states annexed mexico and put in the money to fix it. they will never do it themselves.

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I had heard about a group of Mexicans placing a claim on some states of the SW belonging to them and wanting to take back control.

Have you ever noticed how easy it is for anyone of another culture to settle and still maintain elements of their culture within our own? I think it's possible as predicted in the coming years for us to be a minority in our land because.. what is American culture? Until it ceases to be the stereotypical fastfoodfastwork suffocating under the American dream, those Little Italy's and Habana's will only span over longer masses of populus. I honestly don't have a problem with it. I'm just waiting for them to hit the Midwest.

nebolous i kinda have to disagree with u ....i don't think it's hardest at least in france to become a citizen ....after u spent some years in france u can get it .....and if u ask me some people simply don't deserve it at all

by the way, i think it's funny how the protestors downstairs are chanting in spanish and holding up THEIR country's flags when they are trying to have rights in america.

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Originally posted by Slylee by the way, i think it's funny how the protestors downstairs are chanting in spanish and holding up THEIR country's flags when they are trying to have rights in america.

it's definitely ironic haha...


personally i'm very biased on this topic because i am from los angeles...and don't really have a very high oppinion of illegals...

I think we should have better border patrol but it should be easier to become a citizen. Like if you can prove you will work and be productive and not strain the economy then they should just be like youre in. Of course that might not help that much but I definitely think we need better securuty along the Mexican border.

Also, for all the immigrants currently in the US, we should give them citizenship if they are working steadily just so that we have a record of them so they can start paying taxes and what not. If not, adios puta.

wooooooooow I love how the whole "immigrant" thing is only related to Cuba for you...because IMMIGRANTS are also Haitian, South American, Mexican ETC (EVEN European) & there are lots of those here.

Yeah, they don't deserve the basic humane rights of life because they don't possess a few important numbers in our government scroll books.

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