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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Actually - it wasn't someone a thousand years who demanded that - it is the current Vatican who asks that faithful Catholics do such a thing. And faithful Catholics comply because they wish to pay tribute to Christ for giving them salvation. It's pretty simple.

yep....still waiting to eat today....hmmm


luckily im not feeling hungry

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar Why isn't fish considered meat? I dont understand.

Fish is protein, but not traditionally considered meat.

On of the origins of the practise came from the fact that the fishing ships would come into town from the sea on Fridays - thus the fish was freshest (safest) on Fridays.

Religious practise explanation: http://www.kencollins.com/question-38.htm

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Fish is protein, but not traditionally considered meat. On of the origins of the practise came from the fact that the fishing ships would come into town from the sea on Fridays - thus the fish was freshest (safest) on Fridays. Religious practise explanation: http://www.kencollins.com/question-38.htm

OK I see why they practice eating fish, but not other meats - though I'm still confused as to how fish is not considered meat.

Chicken has protein too in it. How is a fishes substance not meat while a cows or a chickens substance is meat?

Is it just for ease of dialogue that ppl say don't eat me (and just assume that one understands that it refers all meat save for fish?)

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar OK I see why they practice eating fish, but not other meats - though I'm still confused as to how fish is not considered meat.

When they say "meat" they main raised/grown livestock.

In those days, meat was a luxury food. You either had to buy it in a market or you had to own enough land to keep cattle. On the other hand, anyone could grow vegetables or forage for them, and anyone could catch a fish in a lake or a stream. You could buy better fish and vegetables, but the point is that you could eat without money if you were poor. So meat was rich people's food and fish was poor people's food. That is why the most common form of fasting was to omit meat and eat fish.

I just ate Harvey's.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Wow. The strength of their faith is admirable.

How can you admire people who nail themselves to a cross?

As an ex-catholic, I make it a point to eat excessive amounts of meat on days like today.

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Originally posted by The Wiz I just ate Harvey's.

fish sandwich?

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Originally posted by iLiptikalOrbitZ fish sandwich?

lol, eww. Chicken strips.

ps. this may be appalling to many but the only thing I actually like at MacDonald's is the filet of fish. You either absolutely love that little perfectly shaped platic bun or are extremely grossed out by the mere thought of it.

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Originally posted by Rodrico How can you admire people who nail themselves to a cross? As an ex-catholic, I make it a point to eat excessive amounts of meat on days like today.

If you're an ex-catholic, I'd be wasting my time trying to talk to you about the faith.

Have a good day.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker If you're an ex-catholic, I'd be wasting my time trying to talk to you about the faith. Have a good day.

I just cant see how something like faith can be rated by others by actions of self mutilation/destruction. I'd say there are other things one can do to acquire great admiration, and nailing yourself to a cross is not one of them.

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Originally posted by Rodrico I just cant see how something like faith can be rated by others by actions of self mutilation/destruction. I'd say there are other things one can do to acquire great admiration, and nailing yourself to a cross is not one of them.

agreed.

and as a non-believer (when it comes to ANY religion), it would definitely be hard talking to someone like me about faith... let alone meat (me being a chicken lover that I am) on a Good Friday.

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Originally posted by Rodrico I just cant see how something like faith can be rated by others by actions of self mutilation/destruction. I'd say there are other things one can do to acquire great admiration, and nailing yourself to a cross is not one of them.

If you read the article, the man was saved from death by (what he believed) to be God (after a great fall from a building).

His Faith makes him compelled to suffer the same as Christ as an act of reconciliation and thanks for the sacrifice that Jesus and God made during Easter.

You don't have to agree with his actions, but someone who feels that strongly about something to act in such a way is admirable (IMO).

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker You don't have to agree with his actions, but someone who feels that strongly about something to act in such a way is admirable (IMO).

Ditto

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker You don't have to agree with his actions, but someone who feels that strongly about something to act in such a way is admirable (IMO).

The problem I have is that, this sort of primalistic ritual behavior promote some of the bad things that religion should be trying to avoid.

1.Fanaticism to do harm to oneself or others.

2.That these rituals are acknowledge and revered by its devotee's or God. When it shouldnt be anything but the case...

Quoted from the same Article.

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Monsignor Pedro Quitorio, a spokesman for the Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines, denounced the Holy Week traditions of flagellation and crucifixion saying their roots trace back to animism. "They think that when they do that they will receive blessing for the coming year. That is not a Christian idea," Monsignor Pedro Quitorio said. "If you have Christ in you, that's enough blessing. You don't need to duplicate what he did on the cross."

and if you've heard David Cross' comedy, as funny as he makes it sound, he makes a few great points when referring to church, religion, bible and whatnot...

"Why are we still practicing and following something like the Bible? That thing was written hundreds of years ago by people who were, guess what... MUCH DUMBER than we are today."

I thought we evolved from those days of "animism" as you refer to it... and should know better than to blindly follow some of those beliefs and rituals.

then again, don't get me wrong, you are free to believe whatever you want to believe and follow whatever religion you decide (or have been brought up) to follow... just don't bother trying to change OUR beliefs as well, cuz we'll either ignore you or try to do the same thing to you... which is a never ending circle.

My point is that by thinking like this..

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but someone who feels that strongly about something to act in such a way is admirable (IMO).

makes me feel as though as a society, we will never progress if we honor the actions of those who go beyond the call of their religion and do an act of harm to show their appreciation. By such a definition, RJ, do you admire Suicide Bombers? They have such high convictions that they are willing to kill themselves in the name of their diety. You dont, and I know that, but atleast to me, these are the same ideals that fuel these types of actions.

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Originally posted by Rodrico makes me feel as though as a society, we will never progress if we honor the actions of those who go beyond the call of their religion and do an act of harm to show their appreciation. By such a definition, RJ, do you admire Suicide Bombers? They have such high convictions that they are willing to kill themselves in the name of their diety. You dont, and I know that, but atleast to me, these are the same ideals that fuel these types of actions.

Ah. But these people who want to be crucified aren't harming others (except possibly self) unlike the suicide bombers.

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Originally posted by EvilTree Ah. But these people who want to be crucified aren't harming others (except possibly self) unlike the suicide bombers.

But regardless, they are still harming themselves. I agree with Rodrico that physical sacrifice isnt essential in proving your faith.

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Originally posted by The Wiz But regardless, they are still harming themselves. I agree with Rodrico that physical sacrifice isnt essential in proving your faith.

Personally I proscribe to the philosophy of you can do whatever you want, as long as you're not hurting others.

Now is this essential to proving a personal faith?

No.

But if a person wants to express themselves in this this manner, who are we to say no to a personal choice?

I personally think these people who wants to be crucified are a bit nutty, but I don't deny their right to do whatever they want to their body.

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Originally posted by EvilTree Ah. But these people who want to be crucified aren't harming others (except possibly self) unlike the suicide bombers.

I just feel that when it comes to fanatiscism, and primalistic rituals do not need to be admired by our society. Why does someone nailing themselves on a cross as opposed to recreating a fake version prove more admirable, other than the fact that they feel the need to harm themselves to be shown as something more significant. When in reality, God in theory would never care for such things, so really what does it prove or show? nothing but stupidity in my eyes. Nailing yourself to a cross shouldnt be a sign tell of your devotion to God.

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Originally posted by Rodrico I just feel that when it comes to fanatiscism, and primalistic rituals do not need to be admired by our society. Why does someone nailing themselves on a cross as opposed to recreating a fake version prove more admirable, other than the fact that they feel the need to harm themselves to be shown as something more significant. When in reality, God in theory would never care for such things, so really what does it prove or show? nothing but stupidity in my eyes. Nailing yourself to a cross shouldnt be a sign tell of your devotion to God.

And I agree with you for the most part.

Now I don't speak for God, but if God does exist and he did give humans free will and if God's... personality... and emotions are anything like humans (ie he loves, cares, etc like humans do), he would value devotion and sacrifice from his followers.

Yes, fanaticism is dangerous and often religious followers in third world nations because they aren't as well educated as us folks in Western nations are more susceptible to blind faith.

But for some people, because they are too proud or too stubborn or whatnot, getting crucified may be their ultimate expression of devotion and faith and God appreciates their expression of faith. (If this is indeed what God wants from them)

The question is, is getting crucified an expression of fanaticism or is it being merely being very... religious?

I don't know, not until I had a chat with these... strange folks.

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Originally posted by EvilTree Yes, fanaticism is dangerous and often religious followers in third world nations because they aren't as well educated as us folks in Western nations are more susceptible to blind faith.

wow...just WOW

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Originally posted by El Kay Dee wow...just WOW

HAHAHAHAA! Nice...

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Originally posted by El Kay Dee wow...just WOW

LOL. I did leave myself open there...

I'm not claiming that 3rd world folks are dumber than Western folks. But, since they have less information available, they do not have more ways to think available to them than Western folks, which leaves them more influenced by fanaticism and fundamentalism.

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