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Nathalie that was a post very well put together and yes should be read by all TA's.

I think Jon said it best with the fine line between party/abuse.

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Originally posted by Floorwhore Scary thing is..... I dont think many of the people who have a problem, even realize it!? I could be wrong, but it seems like they just tell themselves enough times that what they are doing is just like everyone else.

No most people do not know, and thats the whole reason, problems start. Drugs are an escape, plain and simple. If they are doing their job, how often do you question it? Should I? Why not?

If they take you to a comfortable place, where you feel good, invincible, how can you see it as a bad thing? They really do blind fold you. As Nat was saying, she hopes that it does not come to the point where we are watching our friends go down, for us to change. Unfortunatly, that maybe neccessary. If people do not see the negatives from within their own lives, then the instigation must come from an external source.

Hopefully this thread will become that external source.

It seems that we as human beings believe that we are untouchable, right up until that moments that something actually happens. As stupid as it seems, it is true, and it is only a matter of time till something does.

Ive been to the Guv a dozen times as "designated driver" and even without a drop of alchhol in me, I still had just as much fun as the people next to me.

Ive seen drugs do some bad stuff to people, and its enough to keep me pretty distant from it.

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Originally posted by Floorwhore Maybe everyone who reads this should PM those who they think have a problem in confidentiality, if you receive more than one.... you likely have a big problem on your hands.

Whew, no PMs yet.... I must be okay!

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I am not going to comment on anyone here in particular (because I do not know most of you), but it all boils down to having a low self esteem, boring life, and just being lazy and taking the easy way out. Grow up...

You pretty much got it right there. Most people don't really see it as a problem. The drugs become a predominant factor, and it IS taking the easier way out. I myself have gotten to that point that I realized most people I was with had nothing to talk about unless they were high, and truth be told I was hitting that line myself. At that point, its time to step back a bit. Don't fear being boring. There's nothing wrong with just staying in every once in a while, enjoying simpler things. Try to go out after plenty of rest. Don't go out just because there is nothing better to do.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard PM

It's probably in your family though

Set times part of the problem?

I agree with the post completely.

Though I've never seen anyone actually use G/K/C myself, I do see plenty of E all the time. It's getting out of hand with all the sweat and crap.

Now, on a different note: Does anyone think that set times are a contributing factor to the problem? I'll explain further.

Last week at Decadence AvB came on after 4. What's more, he came on at 5:30(!!!) at BeB. I almost feel like the perceived notion is that you have to be on Red Bull and E just to last it through until 8 or 9, when the set is done. For my friends and myself who don't load up RB/E, it's getting tough to even stay up until 5, let alone dance after that (keeping in mind our day jobs and commitments). Perhaps if the headliner sets where done at 2 or even 3, the drug use would decrease?

Quite honestly, I know of very few people that stay the whole night and aren't on drugs. IF I were back in Ibiza on vacation, I would simply get up later in the day, at 2 or 3, and go party at night, and stay up until 7-8 AM no problem. Unfotunately this isn't possible while not on vacation...

Just some food for thought...

Its all good in theory.

But at the next big event will we be practicing what we preach?

Best post I've ever seen here on TranceAddict and probably ever will. I hope everybody on the boards reads this and takes it seriously. This is no joke people. The party is about the music and the people, not the drugs.

Re: Set times part of the problem?

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Originally posted by Superstring Now, on a different note: Does anyone think that set times are a contributing factor to the problem?

I agree, however, tt's not unheard of to sleep for 3-5 hours before a big event.

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Originally posted by Superstring Quite honestly, I know of very few people that stay the whole night and aren't on drugs.

It can be done. Some of the best party I have ever been to have been me completely sober.

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Originally posted by magikb Nathalie that was a post very well put together and yes should be read by all TA's. I think Jon said it best with the fine line between party/abuse.

+1000000!!

Keep it responsible....there is NO NEED to do this every weekend, or three times a weekend, etc, etc....If you do choose to use, don't let it turn to abuse.

I am also NOT a saint, but I choose to keep my use to BIG parties....(ala Bal en Blanc, Labour, etc..) and maybe a couple other times a year MAX....I have NEVER used more than once a month and even THAT is a HUGE rareity for sure!!!

and seriously people, I am not hatin' but wtf is with G??? People who use G are seriously messing with their lives, and I have seen WAY WAY to many people get seriously hurt, die, etc....that shit is scary...Not to downplay other drug b/c there is certainly that risk, but jesus that shit is not cool PLEASE STOP USING THIS DRUG< PLEASE!!!! I dont wanna see anybody on these boards get faked up by it!!

Thanks Nat for the post

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Originally posted by Superstring Now, on a different note: Does anyone think that set times are a contributing factor to the problem? I'll explain further.

Dude it's called a cat-nap.

People used to ask me all the time when I promoted @ 270 Spadina, 'how the hell do you do it?! you must be doing MADDD drugs'. With doors open @ 1am, I made it a routine of mine on Saturdays....

8:00am - 6:00pm = work
6:30pm - 7:00pm = compile guestlist, eat dinner
7:30pm - 12:30am = catnap
2:00am = arrive to club.

I'm not going to pretend like there werent nights that i didnt endulge, but the majority of those nights were a couple of redbulls, few pulls from a doob.

wise words Nat...

I don't think it's productive to debate the merits (or lack thereof) of drug and alchol use. People need to make their own educated decisions.

regardless...as with anything...*moderation* and know your limits! There is recreational use...and then there's abuse.

We owe it to our friends to point out to them if we think their use has escalated to a negative level...and if your friends say this to you, there's probably something to it.

Quality post, Nat! I hope everyone who views this forum reads this thread and takes note.

ummm...whats G? first time i heard of that. or maybe my slang isn't up to par. or i'm just an idiot.

i agree it is a great post and drugs are getting out of hand. I think i'm doing really well and i don't think that some of you are alone on the staying away fron drugs and partying sober. i've done 2 drugs in my life and rarely do one of them. most of my friends have to burn atleast once or twice a day or they will search all night until they can grab off of someone. that is rediculous and i've told them many times that they are addicts and need help.
i keep my self under control when ever i go under the influence and i stay responsible. i see myself as a safe person who won't do anything until i know what its about.
and for going to the guv or other events, i go for the music. if i don't like the music there, i won't go just to do a drug or get drunk off my ass. i'll save my money instead for another night. (ie: ultraspin 10. wow yoji!!!! can't wait.)

addition: damn you guys post fast....a nice nap before going out is perfect. nap, eat, shower and get ready to go out, then go out. thats my routine. the shower for me has to be in there or i'll feel tired still and not refreshed and not ready.

Reading this post, I can say I relate to the issue at hand. I know what it's like to party within the limits and unfortunately (not proud saying this) I know what it's like to go over them. I've had some issues with knowing the line and not being able to stand on the right side of it.

There have been times where I've used drugs as an escape, (hell, landed myself in a rehab clinic a few years ago when my best friend and girlfriend passed and didn't know how to deal with it). I've even had some recent troubles when my mom took sick not being able to handle it all well, you know, it's so much easier being fucked out of your mom then realizing someone you love needs your help, unfortunately, if you give everything you have to that person who needs you, you end up giving up too much.

I can happily say over the last year or so, I've partied (not saying I did it sober) but I've partied and known my "limit." Gone are the days where I would mix the three letters of the alphebet, I might take an upper to keep me going, but there is a line between "having a good time" and "playing with death's timeclock."

I appreciate a thread like this, it really puts light on situations... There are people on this site that I've had one on one talks with that really help you see the broader picture of it all, without going into depths, I remember a talk I had with Nada a few weeks back that really helped me from falling off that edge again. I can happily say I go for the music, the party and not to get cracked out of my mind.

Great thread, great writing... it's the people who step forward saying "this isn't right" that really make others think about it all... it was someone like you who made me realize what I was doing was wrong, hopefully, you've helped out someone like others have helped me.

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Originally posted by King Luis ummm...whats G? first time i heard of that. or maybe my slang isn't up to par. or i'm just an idiot.

G is a bad drug. When you take it, this is what your posts look like....

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Originally posted by Bugs71 Hello people, mix for a friend with the name Christie 55585 i can`t help it i wonna be a dj got my turn tables and mixer (fusion 818) bought some cd`s and here we go a sample of an hour. times of mix 6:54,13:56,19:37,24:36,29:36,35:20,40:22,4:55 mind that, 49:45,52:30last one. 59:17 total time DJ name: THE BEATKEEPER

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Originally posted by Floorwhore G is a bad drug. When you take it, this is what your posts look like....

ummm...what??? i saw the post and have not idea what it means.
is there other names for it?

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Originally posted by YouReadyB I've even had some recent troubles when my mom took sick not being able to handle it all well, you know, it's so much easier being fucked out of your mom then realizing someone you love needs your help, unfortunately, if you give everything you have to that person who needs you, you end up giving up too much.

Re: Set times part of the problem?

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Originally posted by Superstring Now, on a different note: Does anyone think that set times are a contributing factor to the problem? I'll explain further. Last week at Decadence AvB came on after 4. What's more, he came on at 5:30(!!!) at BeB. I almost feel like the perceived notion is that you have to be on Red Bull and E just to last it through until 8 or 9, when the set is done. For my friends and myself who don't load up RB/E, it's getting tough to even stay up until 5, let alone dance after that (keeping in mind our day jobs and commitments). Perhaps if the headliner sets where done at 2 or even 3, the drug use would decrease? Quite honestly, I know of very few people that stay the whole night and aren't on drugs. IF I were back in Ibiza on vacation, I would simply get up later in the day, at 2 or 3, and go party at night, and stay up until 7-8 AM no problem. Unfotunately this isn't possible while not on vacation... Just some food for thought...

Very interesting thought. Now what if they didn't stop serving alcohol at 2AM? I'm sure that would change things...

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Originally posted by Floorwhore

What I meant is this,

My mom's sick... I've done my best in aiding to her 24 hours a day, 7 days a week... however, doing so, I used drugs as my outlet to deal, I started self destroying myself and by doing that, I wasn't able to be there for her like I should. If I destroy myself I really can't help her out. Selfish? Yea, totally... I'm glad I got myself out of that mindset, but it's something I did.

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Originally posted by cono_sur Very interesting thought. Now what if they didn't stop serving alcohol at 2AM? I'm sure that would change things...

Yes, but then all of the other clubs would stay open longer, where you might find a lot of violence. Let's leave that for another thread though...

The problem is that those that regularly push the limit(drugs/booze/whatever) tend to surround themselves with people that do the same -- the perceived pattern of normalcy begins there. 'so and so does it' and 'blah blah' does it too - so - it must be 'OK for me to do it'! 'They do it, *everyone* in the club does it!' - etc -- and when you bring the behaviour to their attention they'll see you as being abnormal/overreacting because they to them it's 'all under control'.

Those who are introduced to EDM in an altered state will usually have a tough time ever appreciating the music when free of substances -- the cycle begins and they'll tell you they can't dance the same (when sober) or it is boring -- even in mainstream clubs you see this happening with ppl binge drinking -- some of whom were heavy drug users years ago but have now traded their pills/g for alcohol/coke instead - since that's more 'acceptable' within their peer group now that they're older.

The behaviour is perceived as ok because they're 'only messed up on weekends' neglecting to see the pattern that's forming - where come Tuesday they're already planning a bender for the following weekend.

Alright, I feel the need to weigh in on this. Drugs are good, very good, but only if used correctly. There is time and place for everything but one must be careful to use only what substances are necessary/desired to acheive the type of party enhancement they are looking for and only in the minimum quantities required. Ideally, intoxicants (of all types) should be used only to highten an experience. If you're losing control of yourself or blacking out large blocks of time then chances are you've failed to obtain the intended goals of your substance use and subsequently you should reevaluate your activities. I think everyone knows I use certain substances regularly so I certainly cannot and quite frankly would not preach abstaining from drug use, however, knowing what to take, when, and in what quantity is key.

Above all else, please, know what you're taking, what the effects and potential side effects are, ensure you're with people who you trust and who care about your welfare, and take steps to minimize the probability of a bad experience or unwelcome effects.

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