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Posted by Trogdor on Apr-22-2006 19:55:

Posted by blacknoizybox on Apr-22-2006 20:26:

yay....kids

Posted by richg101 on Apr-23-2006 03:06:

rotary mixers like these were never intended as dj mixers.

end of! a pioneer djm is fine. no eq means no control over which part of the track get heared by the audience during the mix. you should never have two clashing low frequencies coming from a source.

rotary mixers are for bands. and bands rairly have two bassists or two drummers playing kick drum.

Posted by Trogdor on Apr-23-2006 05:55:

quote:
Originally posted by richg101
rotary mixers like these were never intended as dj mixers.

end of! a pioneer djm is fine. no eq means no control over which part of the track get heared by the audience during the mix. you should never have two clashing low frequencies coming from a source.

rotary mixers are for bands. and bands rairly have two bassists or two drummers playing kick drum.
So, the Bozak CMA-10-2DL and it's clones (Urei 1602, Rane MP2016, Xone:V6) weren't intended as DJ mixers? Tell that to Louis Bozak! It was the first specifically designed and manufactured club-installation DJ mixer. It wasn't until DJ mixers became consumer-oriented that sliders began to appear, due to lower manufacturing costs.

Rotaries require a different mixing style. There still won't be two clashing lows if used properly.

And I've never seen a rotary live-sound console. It's always sliders.

Posted by blacknoizybox on Apr-23-2006 09:13:

uhhh...faders are more flexible

Posted by richg101 on Apr-23-2006 11:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Trogdor
So, the Bozak CMA-10-2DL and it's clones (Urei 1602, Rane MP2016, Xone:V6) weren't intended as DJ mixers? Tell that to Louis Bozak! It was the first specifically designed and manufactured club-installation DJ mixer. It wasn't until DJ mixers became consumer-oriented that sliders began to appear, due to lower manufacturing costs.

Rotaries require a different mixing style. There still won't be two clashing lows if used properly.

And I've never seen a rotary live-sound console. It's always sliders.

bozak??? - shmozak!! ha ha.

no. slider pots became more popular when they came down in price. just because the first 'oldstyle' primative mixer used rotary pots and had no eq doesnt mean it was meant to be.. the components were probably not as available those days.

im sorry but these rotary mixers you love so much are a geeky fad that will soon blow over.

have a look at some mixer-amps by all the main manufacturers in the 80's. they are all rotary and these days the models have been replaced by models that use slider pots.

the only functional dj mixer that uses rotary pots is the xone 96 rotary version.

Posted by T-Soma on Apr-23-2006 12:18:

Im sorry richg but saying that rotary mixers are a fad is a pretty dumb thing to say...

quote:
the only functional dj mixer that uses rotary pots is the xone 96 rotary version.

I dont get you... what about the pioneer djm1000 that came out not to long ago it has a rotary version avaliable.
A range of denon mixers have rotary avaliable.
There are the vestax pmc mixers with rotary faders...

Rotary faders have there advantages.
Im not saying that they are just better then panel faders because ofcourse its all about prefrence but if your just mixing and not doing any cutting scratching (you can use the xfader anyway) then i dont see why the idea of a rotary fader is stupid.

As mentioned by someone in the production forum (i cant remember who) "Limitations lead to creativeness" its very true if you dont have eqs it basicaly forces you to choose tracks the work better together. And just because the level fader is rotary doesnt mean the mixer cant have eqs...

I think im done now

EDIT: I almost forget... im pretty sure they call it an Xone 92 these days

Posted by blacknoizybox on Apr-23-2006 13:09:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ 00 Tommy
As mentioned by someone in the production forum (i cant remember who) "Limitations lead to creativeness" its very true if you dont have eqs it basicaly forces you to choose tracks the work better together. And just because the level fader is rotary doesnt mean the mixer cant have eqs...

I think im done now

Posted by skip on Apr-23-2006 13:51:

quote:
Originally posted by blacknoizybox

lol! nice one!

Posted by blacknoizybox on Apr-23-2006 14:12:

i forgot the Peak indicator (one green light for each channel maybe)

Posted by Ryan0751 on Apr-23-2006 16:05:

You don't even need that

I think if a lot of DJ's learned to mix on something like this: Rotary pots only, no gains, no level indicators, and cueing on one channel at a time ONLY... that you'd be a better DJ in the end.

I practice like that on my Xone 92 sometimes. Mixing only with the rotary pots, really makes you focus on what is important: track selection.

If I had to keep one feature though, it would be the filters!

quote:
Originally posted by blacknoizybox
i forgot the Peak indicator (one green light for each channel maybe)

Posted by las3rjock on Apr-23-2006 19:53:

quote:
Originally posted by blacknoizybox
man....this rotary shit is RETARDED!!!! why the hell would anyone buy some rotary mixer w/o EQs weighing a tonn....fucking retarded mixer and fuck the rotary... long (60 mm and up) fader is the way to go!!!

*throws up on V6* *pisses with both hands and spits on V6*

LOL

If you had any clue, you would realize from looking at the front panel of the V6 that it essentialy has a tunable bass EQ on all 6 channels, and a 6-band EQ on the master channel. You would also realize that a rotary potentiometer has a much more linear attenuation curve, whereas a linear potentiometer has a highly-nonlinear (exponential) attenuation curve.

Posted by Zild on Apr-23-2006 19:58:

You guys forget that Bozak, as a sound engineer was striving for the utmost sound quality in his mixer, so he handpicked components. Knobs are much more resistant to dirt and dust which get inside and muck up the sound quality and eventually kill the pot. And if you think all the first primitive mixers were rotaries why don't you look up Alex Rosner, "Rosie", and Francis Grasso.

Posted by Trogdor on Apr-23-2006 20:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Zild
You guys forget that Bozak, as a sound engineer was striving for the utmost sound quality in his mixer, so he handpicked components. Knobs are much more resistant to dirt and dust which get inside and muck up the sound quality and eventually kill the pot. And if you think all the first primitive mixers were rotaries why don't you look up Alex Rosner, "Rosie", and Francis Grasso.

Yeah, I didn't mention "Rosie" because only one was made. The Bozak was the first commercially available DJ mixer.

quote:
Originally posted by richg101
no. slider pots became more popular when they came down in price.

Uh, yeah. That's why I said:

quote:
Originally posted by me
It wasn't until DJ mixers became consumer-oriented that sliders began to appear, due to lower manufacturing costs.

quote:
Originally posted by richg101
im sorry but these rotary mixers you love so much are a geeky fad that will soon blow over.

Sorry, but "geeky fads" don't last for 30 years.

Posted by Tegu on Apr-23-2006 22:54:

Posted by Trogdor on Apr-23-2006 23:59:

^^ Hey, it's Rosie!

Got a pic of Frances using it? That would be sweet.

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