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hey where can I find out more about the Indian Act? (I guess I could google but I'm lazy)
to be honest; my views are based on assumptions/oppinion rather than fact
edit: for those who care http://lois.justice.gc.ca/en/I-5/
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| Originally posted by superIMPOSED lol....sorry I thought you were Serbian and was trying to take a jab at you |
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard The "First Nations" disgust me.... always reaching out for scraps and taking whatever they can. Seriously.... give up your second rate lives begging the feds to pay for your meager lives and go get yourself something better. |
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard No, please, don't ever give up arguing a point simply because someone doesn't appear as though they will be swayed. There are always spectators that could hear you and gleen useful information in making up their minds. I know I'm being a bit of an ass here and taking it too far.... that's just for entertainment. My real position is this.... For the good of those living in sub standard conditions within the reserve system's own good, the Indian Act should be scraped, the reserve system dismantled and Aborigionals afforded the same benefits as any other cultural group. This will force an end to the ill-concieved idea of allowing a iron aged culture to exist along side the contemporaries (as was the intend to the Crown back in the 1700s). It is only by abolishing the current system that the aborigionals can be made part of mainstream society and only by being part of mainstream society will their suffering end. |
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard ^^^ it's crule but effective.... you don't hear anything about Aztec or Inca land claims do you? |
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard Serbia? Where did that come from? Listen up, if the "natives" feel like second rate citizens that's because they are and if they are it's because they have allowed themselves to become so. They need not remain on reservation, they are not forced to live off of assistance, these are choices. If they want to leave the reservation and get a job, earn a better life, become a regular citizen they are allowed to do so. Hell, if they want to remain on the reserve and get a job they can do so too and still receive all the benefits that come along with the Indian Act. Those that do seek a better life and attain it should be proud. Those that do not and believe that the country owes them everything their hearts desire are the ones that disgust me. I really think the government needs to resolve this one and for all. Give the natives their self-govenment on the condition that they get a one time cash allowance per resident and no future assistance from the feds. They'll piss through that in no time (especially considering the wide spread corruption amongst the bands which even the counsel of first nations acknowledges as an epidemic) and burry themselves in debt. With no other options they'll be forced to sell the land and we can be done with this shit once and for all.... with the exception of perhaps the Cree in Quebec who own tons of resources and have embraced western society and the work ethic that comes along with it. |
lets say my grandma sold land in the 50s for $1000, but its now worth $100,000. wow, this land is worth that much now, i want some of that money, i feel like they screwed me on the land deal way back. lets get all our relatives, all our family. lets get tents, camping gear, trucks, and make sure everyone has a video camera in their hand to document the events. lets go on the land and scatter around, blocking the roads. lets set tires on fire, and dump loads of rocks on the main road leading to it to block it. lets put grandma in a chair, sit her right in front, and put a sign around her head saying this is her land. if anyone trys to get us off, we wont move, and push the cops around that try to.
this is their type of thinking, doesnt seem right. whos to say they wont try this with more land, land people already live on. where will it end? its not right, and they should all be arrested.
if i went up to a cop on the street, pushed him, i would be arrested so fast, so why arnt they?
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| Originally posted by swilly I am with you bro stalin and hitler had the right idea, build big furnances and kill them all. If i ever meet you and i hope i do when i go back to canada i am going to fucking beat the fuck out of you. You racist ****. This is a promise. swilly |
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| Originally posted by swilly I am with you bro stalin and hitler had the right idea, build big furnances and kill them all. If i ever meet you and i hope i do when i go back to canada i am going to fucking beat the fuck out of you. You racist ****. This is a promise. swilly |
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| Originally posted by zokissima A little OT, but I think that your conceptions of Serbia are grossly misinformed. Socially, before it got bombed, it was more adept than modern day Canada. |
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| Originally posted by swilly i am not even going to engage in this subject with you because your ignorance is too much to even bother. |
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| Originally posted by swilly I am with you bro stalin and hitler had the right idea, build big furnances and kill them all. If i ever meet you and i hope i do when i go back to canada i am going to fucking beat the fuck out of you. You racist ****. This is a promise. swilly |
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| Originally posted by swilly Did you copy and paste this statement from the Neo nazi party guide book? i think i saw it in thier newsletter. fucking idiot swilly |
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard Hey, someone clearly has very little understanding of history, guess which one of us it is...... that's right, you! There is a huge difference between Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and any other meniachal dictator you may wish to name and conqurers over the whole of human history. The difference is that the above mentioned persons killed their own citizens. Conqurers on the other hand killed or marginalized the persons posessing the land they sought to conqure... while this is not the most humane course of action it is very effective and has been a part of human nature since territorial disputes first started occuring (even before homo sapien sapiens existed). FYI, I'm not a racist.... I may be a classist but more then anything I'm what I like to describe as a meritist. Not all people are equal, status and value in society is earned through action and acheivement. People who rot away their lives on reserves looking for handouts have earned nothing as they have acheived nothing of value nor taken any action that warrents status. BTW, the threat of violance is a nice touch because by all means attacking me physically really helps support and bolster your possition. If you cannot use reason and logic then you really have no place voicing your opinion. |
Alright, one more post on the subject, for my friend from the first nations.....
I believe that many of the aborigional cultures that existed in the Americas prior to the arrival of the Europeans were well established and honourable cultures (particullarly the Iroquois which ironically is the tribe I have the least affinity for presently). The unfortunate reality, however, is that most of what made those cultures honourable has been lost due to this attempt to allow them to retain their culture while introducing European technology and cultural influances. What has resulted is a culture that wants all the benefits from the European/North American culture without the unpleasentries required to attain said benefits. The "natives" have deteriorated into a culture that wants the good things (vehicles, houses, televisions, consumer goods, ect) but is unwilling to accept the responsibilities necessary to earn those things (waking up in the morning, working, saving, being accountable for you actions, etc). Subsequently, what was once a proud and noble people have reduced themselves to taking whatever is given to them, always wanting more, but unwilling to do anything for what they get, they believe everything is owed to them because they once were a proud and noble people who were taken advantage of by the evil white man who is now their benefactor. It must drive "natives" mad.... the evil horrible people who brought all the terrible circumstance they now find themselves in are the same people they are dependent on.
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard I wonder what they squandered their band infrastructure budget (given by the feds) on |
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| Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I heard they have a state of the art bingo hall. |
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard Hey, you see it up in Parry Island all the time.... the road sucks, the water is boardering on undrinkable, but the community centre is a work of art as is the arena (yes an arena for 750 people), and the cheif drives a brand new Envoy... fully loaded (I know this because I picked up his son hitchiking back from the bar last summer). |
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| considering how much we pay to lease the land from them and they still can't get things right |
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| Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty i dont get this. who is "we"???? |
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| Originally posted by swilly I am with you bro stalin and hitler had the right idea, build big furnances and kill them all. If i ever meet you and i hope i do when i go back to canada i am going to fucking beat the fuck out of you. You racist ****. This is a promise. swilly |
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| Originally posted by 5hiftn6ears we don't need any scalping goin' on |
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard The thinking here is just sad..... "I can't discredit his position using logic so I'll call him a Nazi and that will make people afraid of him because they think he'll try to take over the world and kill anyone who isn't Anglo Saxon." |
The double standards are insane.
Imagine of a bunch of white guys got together and blocked a major highway NO MATTER WHAT THEIR CAUSE WOULD BE. Theyd be hauled away in a heartbeat.
We should not be rewarding this behaviour regardless of who ends up being right or wrong.
And it is very racist to tell a white person who is born in canada to "go home if they dont agree with what the aboriginals say". Excuse me, i was born here. THIS IS MY HOME AS MUCH AS IT IS ANYONE ELSE'S. I am too a native of canada even if my skin is a different colour. To say otherwise is racist. Sure my family hasnt been here as long as some. But I have been here my whole life. To kick someone out because they are white is a very racist idea. Swilly you talk of hitler yet the stuff you say is VERY racist and full of ethnic cleansing sentiments.
BTW what does Canada jin daikarai translate to exactly anyways? Id be interested to know.
regardless of past history (which can and has been revised to suit the needs of various sides), whats done is done and we have to learn to live together. Canada is a country now. If natives want all the modern benefits of canadian society then they have to be a part of canadian society. Otherwise they will continue to have the same problems as they do now.
There is NO WAY an enclave of 8000 people in southern ontario will ever be able to be a fullfledged nation. They simply cannot sustain themselves. They will always be part of canada and as such they should start contributing to canadian society. This doesnt mean you throw away culture. All it means is that you work hard, pay your taxes, and reap the rewards just like everyone else.
But as i said before (and was slammed for it) ... in canada the big money is in playing the role of the victim.
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 And it is very racist to tell a white person who is born in canada to "go home if they dont agree with what the aboriginals say". Excuse me, i was born here. THIS IS MY HOME AS MUCH AS IT IS ANYONE ELSE'S. I am too a native of canada even if my skin is a different colour. To say otherwise is racist. Sure my family hasnt been here as long as some. But I have been here my whole life. To kick someone out because they are white is a very racist idea. Swilly you talk of hitler yet the stuff you say is VERY racist and full of ethnic cleansing sentiments. |
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