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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 And how the f*ck do you mix with no headphones?

sounds pretty funked up but as nem explains it aint as daunting as it sounds. and thanks for your response djmaytag.

-sonykc

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Mixing without headphones is good and really isn't a big deal. Just find the first beat and whack it in at a good place and then match on the fly. It will make your beat matching very quick. The more you DJ the easier this will become. I use whatever method is available but will gladly use both headphones if the option is available. Just make sure you know how to use all of them. And just for the record I have seen Marco V use both cans too. All DJs will tell you that it depends on the environment and what it allows, then they will revert back to their prefered method if it's available. Sure you don't see the pro's doing this that often, but most pro's have been doing this for a long time and back in the day there were not many mixers that allowed you to mix in the phones. How you que your records up is totally irrelevant compared to how you sound when you drop your mixes. If mixing in both cups makes you better then the previous guy then do it. Cheers Nem

+1

i can mix in any condition

i prefer to revert back to headphone mixing myself if the setup allows

mixing without headphones is tricky, but doable

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Originally posted by Tony Morello mixing without headphones is tricky, but doable

and REALLY tricky when using CDJ's..

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Originally posted by J:\Digital and REALLY tricky when using CDJ's..

stfu n00b

j/k

one ear on, one ear off method.
both cans off when in the mix.

Re: Headphone mixing

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT Do a lot of you use this method? I used to soley keep one headphone on one ear (playing the cued track) and the open ear to the live track. But I have a Numark DXM06 Mixer that allows you to hear both in the headphones so the other day I gave it a go and watched my mixing improve greatly. So is this a method to stay away from? I didn't do it in the beginning because I felt like I was cheating in a way. But I dunno, if it helps I guess why not take advantage of the feature I have on my mixer. Thoughts?

This way :
1 ear (uncovered) monitoring the program material
1 ear (covered) headphones
throw everything at one ear (mono) but leave your second ear open to the live music.

I my humble opinion djs who use both ears on headphones tend to suck technicaly.

Plus there are major disadvantages:

- You dont know how things sound on the floor at say a club or party... you are just in your own little zone. You loose connection with the audience.

-You don't hear what you mix sounds like so mixing is less fun and less accurate too.

- You cant match levels properly with one ear being louder then the other so it sucks for monitoring unless you have very accurate leds.

This might not be a big deal when say you are playing at your stereo/monitors at home but when you are dealing with 110 db SPL and the track gets louder it will sound like all hell broke loose

Then the sound guy will give you some very evil stares and turn you down.
Not cool. If you don't get on his good side he won't turn you up and all people will be hearing is fucking hi-hats. You will sound thin and tiny. And nobody will be dancing too

- People talk to you so by covering yourself with headphones you might not hear things like ''Cops turn it down'', ''Your Girlfriend passed out on the floor''
or ''the back room is on fire'' ect

-Older resident djs tend to concider headphone mixing shit so you will not look proffesional to their eyes.

-With everything sounding reverbrating and bassy headphones are trully a false enviroment for eq attenuation.
Its very important that you kind of balance you mix and a lot of mixers (incuding xones) don't allow eq monitoring in the headphones so you are stuck!

-You only have 2 ears not 3 so no 3 deck wizardy if you are monitoring in the headphones.

Just my 2 cents.

Re: Re: Headphone mixing

imho mixing with both cans on the head is accurate because you are reletively isolated from the rumble and reverb of the scene, and you can hear all the details of the mix and concentrate on what you are doing. but thats just my noobish opinion

You dont know how things sound on the floor at say a club or party... you are just in your own little zone. You loose connection with the audience.

Not true. You can remove your headphones at any time, and connection with the audience is through the eyes, not through the ears...

You don't hear what you mix sounds like so mixing is less fun and less accurate too.

Actually, you can hear it even better, since most club-speakers are pointed away from the DJ Booth. Your headphones will give you a far more accurate response.

You cant match levels properly with one ear being louder then the other so it sucks for monitoring unless you have very accurate leds.

Why should one ear be louder than the other? Most mixers have split-cue, and you can decide which track is louder than the other.

People talk to you so by covering yourself with headphones you might not hear things like ''Cops turn it down'', ''Your Girlfriend passed out on the floor''
or ''the back room is on fire'' ect

Ofcourse people will talk to you, but they'll have to wait for a moment when your headphones are not on your head. Big deal, you are a dj, not a chatbox. Cops will most likely pull your headphones directly from your head, your girlfriend will be taken care of, and IF the backroom would be on fire, you'll definately notice it. DJ's have eyes too, you know...

Older resident djs tend to concider headphone mixing shit so you will not look proffesional to their eyes.

Sorry to say, I am an older resident DJ and I don't give a shit how someone looks, but I find it more important how someones mixing sounds... I mix in the headphones all the time, and have no problems doing it so far.

With everything sounding reverbrating and bassy headphones are trully a false enviroment for eq attenuation.
Its very important that you kind of balance you mix and a lot of mixers (incuding xones) don't allow eq monitoring in the headphones so you are stuck!

In that case, you'll have to rely on the monitor, yes. Not every situation fits headphone-mixing.

You only have 2 ears not 3 so no 3 deck wizardy if you are monitoring in the headphones.

Bullshit, you can cue whichever deck you like.

Sorry to say, but the story you put up above is not really making any sense. Like Nem said, not every situation fits headphone-mixing. Sometimes you have to be creative to get the perfect mix.

Re: Re: Headphone mixing

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Originally posted by harriz I my humble opinion djs who use both ears on headphones tend to suck technicaly.

No.

Depends on how you do it, when I use both cans I have both channels in both ears. If your levels are balanced and EQ is good then it should be no different on the floor but that also comes with practice.

Plus when I'm mixing I listen to the monitors and don't have the phones on at all unless I FEEL (And I mean feel not hear) a correction coming on in which case I may revert back to the phones for more precission.

Most DJs will just cue with both cups on but not mix but it will give you more precission when you need it.




Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 And how the f*ck do you mix with no headphones?

Very easily!

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Originally posted by Freak Very easily!

Greetings young man!

Cheers
Nem

hello bud

pm on its way

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Sorry to say, but the story you put up above is not really making any sense. Like Nem said, not every situation fits headphone-mixing. Sometimes you have to be creative to get the perfect mix.

This is just a polite debate on this.
I used to do headphone mixing back when I had Traktor & a pair of headphones.
With headphone mixing you are hearing PFL.(prefade level)
You dont hear the actual fading.

I have had trully horrible experiences with it because when I stared djing it was to an audience.
I did not own any dj equipment at the time.
It sounded like shit. An older dj showed me the ropes told me what I was doing was wrong, explained why. I have not looked back.
So now I am just sharing my opinion.

If it works for you keep it up.
Me? I gotta have more cowbell

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Originally posted by Tony Morello stfu n00b j/k

... It's been awhile since we talked, and thats what you say? pft.. fine.

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Originally posted by harriz This is just a polite debate on this. I used to do headphone mixing back when I had Traktor & a pair of headphones. With headphone mixing you are hearing PFL.(prefade level) You dont hear the actual fading.

That does depend a lot on the mixer, not to mention that you are basing this on your experiences with traktor. Most mixers these days allow you to hear post fade too so in effect you do hear the actual fading. Trust me, it does work.

Some one also stated that you can't listen to the master channel with the Xones which is wrong.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by harriz With headphone mixing you are hearing PFL.(prefade level) You dont hear the actual fading.

You can switch to Master PFL or Channel PFL on my mixer, so you can actually hear the mix as it's coming out of the speakers, including eq's and everything...

I've played out often enough to know that headphone mixing does not always work, but when it does, it makes my mixes a lot smoother.

Headphones allow you to cancel out at alot of background-noise (people screaming, cheering, sound coming from the clubs speakers, etc...) so you can focus purely on the music. That definately improves my mixing.

I'm just speaking for myself here, so if anyone has different ways to achieve the same effect, so be it. Thank God we're not all the same...

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Originally posted by djxtension You can switch to Master PFL or Channel PFL on my mixer, so you can actually hear the mix as it's coming out of the speakers, including eq's and everything... I've played out often enough to know that headphone mixing does not always work, but when it does, it makes my mixes a lot smoother. Headphones allow you to cancel out at alot of background-noise (people screaming, cheering, sound coming from the clubs speakers, etc...) so you can focus purely on the music. That definately improves my mixing. I'm just speaking for myself here, so if anyone has different ways to achieve the same effect, so be it. Thank God we're not all the same...

when you're playing on a 50,000w sound system, sometimes the best thing to do is turn down the monitors and put your headphones all the way on, makes life easier

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Originally posted by Tony Morello when you're playing on a 50,000w sound system, sometimes the best thing to do is turn down the monitors and put your headphones all the way on, makes life easier

Doesn't even have to be 50,000W... When I played at Sambuca that night... I had the monitor blasting far to loud for me (for mixing, but left it loud cuz I was having a blast behind the decks.. haha), and actually made it harder for me to mix.. I was always reverting back to in-can mixing.. and it saved me on a couple mixes..

I personally headphone mix, but can do "one on, one off" if I come across a mixer without a cue blend. I just pray the monitor is decent : )

Do whatever it takes to make your transitions sound good and also do what's comfortable for you...you're there to make the people there dance and enjoy themselves while having fun yourself, not to impress the other DJs in the room.

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Originally posted by davemolina I personally headphone mix, but can do "one on, one off" if I come across a mixer without a cue blend. I just pray the monitor is decent : ) Do whatever it takes to make your transitions sound good and also do what's comfortable for you...you're there to make the people there dance and enjoy themselves while having fun yourself, not to impress the other DJs in the room.

it's only the try-hards and bedroom folk who will never leave the bedroom that care

any other dj in the room doesn't notice or doesn't care

i know once i'm done playing, i'm working the room and not paying any attention to the music or mixing, let alone how the dj is wearing his headphones

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Originally posted by Tony Morello it's only the try-hards and bedroom folk who will never leave the bedroom that care

Amen

Nem

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