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Originally posted by nusty I compeletely deserve that and acknoledge that I'm going to be one of those grouchy old men sitting on the porch when I retire. I just think there are better (less trashy) ways of running a business. It's kinda like some crazy cousin that shows up at all your family reunions trying to sell you knifes. It's just something I don't want to have to deal with in a residential neighbourhood. Yeah I'm a jerk sometimes.

LOL at least you admit it whereas most wouldnt LOL

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Originally posted by spitty return to welfare state MH..can u tutor me in poli sci.....for the next 3 years?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

don't do it Andrea.....you don't know what you are in for

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Originally posted by nusty I don't think you are legally allowed to have a home based Retail store. It's usually a violation of zoning. You may run a home based business but it should not be bringing in extra traffic. I had a best friend in grade 7 and 8 whos dad got busted having a staff of 6 working at his house and they shut him down for more or less the reason that it was bringing in extra traffic into a residential neighbourhood. I think once you have built a business up to the point where you have consistent costumers you should move it into a commericial or mixed zoning district. Now if it's all online sales or something that doesn't bring in flocks of customers, I beleive that is a different issue and within the limits. I have also seen cases where calls come into the house but the costumers don't and that seems to be within the guidlines as well. I could be slightly wrong on the home retail thing but this is my understanding of it legally.

That's kinda the point. But as long as you're selling junk, and not on a regular basis its ok?

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO don't do it Andrea.....you don't know what you are in for

shhhh.... how am I going to start a revolution if you keep warning people?

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Originally posted by TO guy That's kinda the point. But as long as you're selling junk, and not on a regular basis its ok?

Oh I thought you were asking the question as opposed to stating it as a point. my bad. sorry about that.

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Originally posted by nusty Oh I thought you were asking the question as opposed to stating it as a point. my bad. sorry about that.

no worries. It was in relation to something someone had said earlier, about not being able to make a living by having garage sales. I would think someone could do quite well selling art, or antiques, or tupperware, or phantasia, or ... in that manner.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 LOL at least you admit it whereas most wouldnt LOL

I'm usually pretty good about admitting my own faults. If I'm wrong about something and someone can prove it to me I'm more than happy to admit it. Most of what I have learned has been because I've learned how to check my ego at the door when needed.
In this case I know I could be more tolerant in my views but I'm also never going to be the guy next door calling the cops on local kids.

...I may grumble about it and throw the occasional shoe at them to get off my lawn but thats about my limit*.


*(I wouldn't tell someone to get off my lawn unless they were leaving dog shit behind or it had just been reseeded then I may ask them polity not to walk on it for the next few weeks until it matures)

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Originally posted by nusty I know I could be more tolerant in my views

Don't be ashamed for what you believe in or how you feel though.

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Originally posted by TO guy Don't be ashamed for what you believe in or how you feel though.

oh no I'm not ashamed at all. I just know where my stances line up with others is all I was saying by that. In comparison to Jayx1 for instance I could be a lot more tolerant about garage sales as businesses... but I'm not. I'm not ashamed of my opinions at all I just understand where they fit in regards to others thoughts.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Actually in most third world countries...

Because everyone wants to be a third world country. YAY!

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Originally posted by Rodrico Because everyone wants to be a third world country. YAY!

lol. nice one. I didn't even think of it from that angle. lol.

I understand both side to that argument now.

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Originally posted by Rodrico Because everyone wants to be a third world country. YAY!

Jay would argue that we already are.... 'cause life in Sudan is so much better then here. Man, if only I could live in a place where 35% of the population has aids, there is no food unless you run the government, and I could start my own little army with 12 AK47s and a 1963 Landrover Defender.... I'd be in heaven!

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Jay would argue that we already are.... 'cause life in Sudan is so much better then here. Man, if only I could live in a place where 35% of the population has aids, there is no food unless you run the government, and I could start my own little army with 12 AK47s and a 1963 Landrover Defender.... I'd be in heaven!

you could also have garage sales anytime you wanted.

This can't be enough of an issue to warrant legislation...why not just crack down on the people clearly abusing the privilege or having a garage sale instead of restricting garage sales for everyone?


I'd hardly call this an "attack on our freedom" though Jay...is it not illegal to sell goods without:

- a business license
- GST registration
- reporting your sales as income

?

I would be very against a neighbour of mine who has a garage sale every other weekend, as it's an invasion of my peace and quiet on my street by people parking in front of my house, stepping over my lawn, doing u-turns in my driveway, cleaning their cigarette-butts and their discarded timmy's cups at my curb.

Any more that a couple of times a year is a business. The law will addressed like other laws like this... only when someone complains.

In Aurora, there's a bylaw keeping you from parking your boat or camper in your driveway for a longer time, but you see ppl doing so on every block all year 'round. If a neighbour complains, then a bylaw enforcement officer will be sent. Just like the stupid cat licence bylaw or no filling up your hidden-away backyard bool during periods when the outdated water well supply is low (and do nothing about it dispite the building boom) bylaw. But that's a local rant Jay and I would love to talk about one day.

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Originally posted by TO guy I think that's the point. They're trying to cut down on people running a business selling "junk" and calling it garage sales. I bet no one claims capital gains from any profit they make selling crap at garage sales ... let alone PST/GST.

How is someone making a profit on their own junk?

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH How is someone making a profit on their own junk?

well if they actually buy junk from someone else, then sell it at a profit. Antiquestyle

I agree, there is no reason to have a garage sale more then twice a year. Wtf do you have that needs to be sold that many times or more a year? I had the worst neighbours growing up, who had them almost every other week-end in the summer. . .Holy shit!! And it never got sold , so they kept trying, eventually people stopped coming by because they knew what was there already, but that didnt stop them from setting up thier tables.


I wouldnt say that they need to go to the extent of fining people, but something totally should be done about these garage salers.

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Originally posted by Rodrico Because everyone wants to be a third world country. YAY!

my point is that sometimes those who dont seem like they would get it right, actually do.

Imagine if we let homeless bums sell pop and newspapers in traffic? Its great being able to have instant service when you want a beverage and not having to get out to get the local paper. So why not give it a try instead of having greasy piss water squeegeed on my car?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 my point is that sometimes those who dont seem like they would get it right, actually do. Imagine if we let homeless bums sell pop and newspapers in traffic? Its great being able to have instant service when you want a beverage and not having to get out to get the local paper. So why not give it a try instead of having greasy piss water squeegeed on my car?

In Newark NJ the guys selling pop on street corners are notorious for car jackings when ever anyone is dumb enough to stop and roll down the window in that neighbourhood. That's why.

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good point

while I agree that this would be a paramount waste of time, i think the thread title is a touch intense, dunno exactly where freedom fits in to all of this....keep in mind that in Canada we have basically 7 months of decent weather, so if my neighbour on eitehr side wants to have 2 of 3 or more garage sales in that span of time I would find that annoying....and futher to that I think that if they are excessivly abusing the street for their own garbage sales then if you want to take that to a higher court then so be it...there are freedoms on either side, both on the side of the garbage/garage sale owner and on teh side of everyone else who lives on the street that has to put up with it....

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Originally posted by nusty In Newark NJ the guys selling pop on street corners are notorious for car jackings when ever anyone is dumb enough to stop and roll down the window in that neighbourhood. That's why.

I dont quite think that toronto is anywhere near the level of New Jersey.

People roll their windows down for the squeegee bums here every day. Why cant they be doing something useful instead?

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 while I agree that this would be a paramount waste of time, i think the thread title is a touch intense, dunno exactly where freedom fits in to all of this....keep in mind that in Canada we have basically 7 months of decent weather, so if my neighbour on eitehr side wants to have 2 of 3 or more garage sales in that span of time I would find that annoying....and futher to that I think that if they are excessivly abusing the street for their own garbage sales then if you want to take that to a higher court then so be it...there are freedoms on either side, both on the side of the garbage/garage sale owner and on teh side of everyone else who lives on the street that has to put up with it....

Its because it's not just this one law. There are laws like this being passed more and more. Each and every one represents a small chisle off our freedom as a society. Read my tagline... it says it all.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Who needs more than 2 garage sales anyways? The law is good... if you were to have garage sales every week, you're not cleaning out your garage, it's a business, so you should be taxed.

What about those that are moving but can't do it because they fall between the two proposed dates?
Personally I see nothing wrong with Garage sales unless someone is putting one up every other weekend; then I'd call it a business and there should maybe be a permit involved as it obvious they're generating cash for income and not just some spring cleaning/moving sale.
What are all the blue-haired old women to do with their weekend mornings??! They're being forced to their bingo halls! Where's the outrage!!!?

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I have actually been to a yard sale on a Saturday selling an old bookshelf I threw out on Tuesday with my garbage.

Now that is funny...

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