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About record wear with the ortofons: how many times do you have to play a record before you can tell the vinyl is starting to wear out?

edit: just a ballpark figure will do, nothing exact.

If you want to figure out how many times you can play your record before it starts wearing out, just place a neddle on the record where the song has the most of bass and highs, put your hand on the record and move it forward, reverse, forvard, reverse with your hand, kind of like when you are scratching. Do about half of the revolution for each move. Count each move, so the spin to the front is 1 and back is 2 another front is 3 and following back move is 4... Count till 100, thats 50 moves front and 50 back, then set the needle couple grooved ahead of the scratch point and listen. You will hear your wear. I think this is the way of comparing different needles in the terms of the record wear. Oh, and don't blame me for the ruined record...
Have fun,.

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Originally posted by antronx If you want to figure out how many times you can play your record before it starts wearing out, just place a neddle on the record where the song has the most of bass and highs, put your hand on the record and move it forward, reverse, forvard, reverse with your hand, kind of like when you are scratching. Do about half of the revolution for each move. Count each move, so the spin to the front is 1 and back is 2 another front is 3 and following back move is 4... Count till 100, thats 50 moves front and 50 back, then set the needle couple grooved ahead of the scratch point and listen. You will hear your wear. I think this is the way of comparing different needles in the terms of the record wear. Oh, and don't blame me for the ruined record... Have fun,.

so basically 100 plays................

lolz .. ah well .. im getting nightclubs soon anywayz .. they have an awesome sound and look sexy .. everythough record wear is a tad high .. but its worth it .. im made up my mind on nightclubs E .. thanks guys .

guys ive just got my ortafons ..

but i didn't afford the nightclubs E .. ive got the DJ E instead. . hah they guy at the store told me that the nightclubs E sound slightly richer.. thats all .. but the price differences was about 80 bucks .. hahaha so yeah .. i got the DJ Es instead.. hahah

what do u guys think

the weird thing is .. i have my tone arm height at 3.5 .. then when i balanced my tonearm .. my back weight is really high .. its so high that i can put my tracking force up to 1gram ..then thats like the max?? am i doing something wrong ???

i played a vinyl with it .. and HO-LY SHITT!! the sound totally blew me away .. i had to clean my records though .. i could pick up every dust particle on my vinyl.. but damn .. they are so much better than my last ones .. (the really crappy stantons 500 II)

i think its better to keep the weight around 2-3 gramm. Don't do a lot of scratching or cueing with it, or you might burn the track. I noticed that more weight you put on the needle, it seems to skip more

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the weird thing is .. i have my tone arm height at 3.5 .. then when i balanced my tonearm .. my back weight is really high .. its so high that i can put my tracking force up to 1gram ..then thats like the max?? am i doing something wrong ???

OK, if you are using Technics, then you have to look for the small screw-on type of extra weight on the very back of the tonearm, right behind the weight drum that you are using to adjust weight with. Screw that extra weight off and balance your tonearm again. That should do it.

cool .. that actually did it .. thanks antronx

Shure M44-7's

They sound better, probably less record wear, and more dourable.

ive got my ortofons already ... will get another set later down the track .. rite now .. i pretty happy with them .. lolz.

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Originally posted by Events@Spec Shure M44-7's They sound better, probably less record wear, and more dourable.

According to the specs, they don't... go figure.

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Originally posted by Events@Spec Shure M44-7's They sound better, probably less record wear, and more dourable.

Probably less record wear maybe more durable but definitly not better sound quality.

why does everybody recommend the m44-7s when the m44-gs sound better, track less, and if set up properly can have almost equal skip resistance.

btw i played some of my older vinyls vs the new ones and boy is record wear noticeable even for songs that i didn't even play much..

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Originally posted by spdandpwr why does everybody recommend the m44-7s when the m44-gs sound better, track less, and if set up properly can have almost equal skip resistance. btw i played some of my older vinyls vs the new ones and boy is record wear noticeable even for songs that i didn't even play much..

I scratch almost every day on the same record. Mostly in the exact same spot. No record wear noticable . I don't know how you guys notice record wear, if the needles set up right, it just glides through the grooves. You guys are wayyyy too picky and you beat a few out to your vinyl too often. Lay off the record wear because it doesn't happen much.

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I thought the same way as you (poster above) but trust me they do wear out...especially when you put 7 grms of weight so the needle doesn't skip. Essentially the sound becomes a bit more muffled...but then again that can be from dust

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Originally posted by spdandpwr I thought the same way as you (poster above) but trust me they do wear out...especially when you put 7 grms of weight so the needle doesn't skip. Essentially the sound becomes a bit more muffled...but then again that can be from dust

You also need a very good sound system to hear the difference. If you are listening on regular headphones, you won't hear anything go bad, since the high frequency region starts to go bad first. Not to mention that those Shures are spherical and don't pick up anything above 17Khz. I guess it's a good marketing tool, "hey, our needles don't wear records, because you can't hear the wear they are causing..."

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