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| Originally posted by Keith Chambers |
I'm about the same as many of you and
this site really helped me
Enjoy & Good luck
Not much other advice that I can give that hasn't already been given, but if you'd like to hit me up on AIM/MSN Nem that would be cool, I prefer talking to people 1-1 than writing out a long post on a forum.
There are very specific ways to warp tracks based on zooming in as close as possible on the waveform view, everyone has their own method. In any case, proper warping is the key to a good ableton mix, beatmatching wise. If you aren't good at warping, your mixes will not be tight as they could be...
And you need to realize warping is EASY AS HELL.
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| Originally posted by Zild And you need to realize warping is EASY AS HELL. |
Takes me a minute or two, but still that's very easy because you can for the most part set it and forget it. I'd still like to see vids of someone using Ableton. I like vids.
Zild & Clovis86 -- I'm sure we have a pretty similar approach. That's want I'm gonna get in the video -- tomorrow.
I think people _way_ over complicate it as well. But it's easy to think like that once you can do a warp in a minute or two. 
Does anybody know of a good+free Mac screen recording program? I'm thinking I'll have to use the Tech Smith one which means a PC and I'll need to go in to the office, etc.
I dunno if it happens to you guys, but sometimes i hit save and ableton doesn't save the warping data of some of my tracks. So i have to do it again in the middle of my mix. I spend around 1 minute to do that, which is longer than if I was beatmatching them with cd players or TTs, but yeh it used to take me much longer!
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| Originally posted by Nemesis44 In my experience as a DJ people sometimes don't react well to too much messing around with tracks. You will even sometimes have people be upset because you played a different mix of a track or didn't play it for long enough. While I see Ableton as a great tool I tend to regard it as something I will use if it becomes the standard in terms of DJing. I still think the digital explosion (and yes, it's coming) has not yet graced u with the full impact of what can be done. Cheers Nem |
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| Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Mate, you have just hit the fucking nail on the head about as hard as you can there. I couldn't agree more with you and I reckon I speak for many people against digital DJing this is why we are against it. We could all play radio edits of tracks if we want, but why dont we? Cause they are shit. Same with ableton Just cause you can layer 18 tracks at once, or mix in track C into B as A fades out, dont mean its gonna be good. + 100 000 000 for you sir! |
I love ableton its very very cool, and i use it alot for different kind of things, but for djing i dont think its good, cus with warping the tracks your actually sucking out the groove out of the track, sure you can set the swing in ableton later, but every track has its own groove when its produced and warping just sucks out the groove.
its a killer of a software thou!
Running a bit behind since I needed to get a Windows machine up and running. Hope to get it done asap.
please do. we are all anxiously awaitng
also eagerly awaiting
Yooou can do it! 
if you need hosting for the video let me know 
Was really looking foward to this.... is it still coming?
I think i speak for many when i say i hope so
just reading that, made me decide, fuck it, i am getting ableton, right now like.
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| Originally posted by DjTez Definitely not the way to go. The whole point of ableton is to have the entire track warped, so you can mix in and out at will...and layer things on top of a track. The only way to do that is to make sure the entire track stays in time. I read a thread on the abelton forums a few months ago and it helped me a good bit....here's the link. http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11736 I use a combination of all the ideas the guys were talking about in the thread. Not every track is the same as well...some take more work to warp. Quick rundown of how I warp a track. -Bring the track in and let it autowarp -Ableton almost never gets the first beat right, so you have to zoom in and set 1.1.1 to the first beat. - Then I go every 32 bars in the track and set a yellow warp marker.(position 33, 65, 97, 129 etc.) As you go through the track, make sure the marker at those locations falls perfectly on beat. Zoom in to get it right. Also use the metronome to spot check each section as you go through the track. The markers set every 32 bars also are a great visual help while mixing as well, since the phrases are all there for you. You can drop tracks in and out at those points. Also, set the global quantization to 1 bar. This way, you can click on say, bar 32, anytime within the 4 beats before that point and ableton will start that track at the first beat of the next bar. As with anything it just takes a little time to learn , and there are many ways to get a track properly warped. This method works for me everytime, and only take a couple minutes a track. The first few will take you a while but once you get the hang of it, they go more quickly. Once you get a few tracks warped and start to play around you'll see how powerful and how fun ableton can be. |
i'd really apprecaite teh video too.
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Not sure if this helps anyone but i came across this. click me
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| Originally posted by DJ 00 Tommy STUPID NOOB READ THE MANUAL OK!!? ITS IN THERE! |
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| Originally posted by DJ 00 Tommy Started when i was 13 now 15 nearly 16. This thread has been done many times but owell. |
...I thaught it was obviouse that i was being sarcastic.
Why of all people would i call Nem a noob, iv learnt alot from his posts.
Why would i write the rest of my post in that way if i was actually calling him a noob and telling him to just go read the manual?
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| Originally posted by cbrendan Not sure if this helps anyone but i came across this. click me |
Good find.
I just picked it up last week and am learning the warping functions. I seem to be on the right track.
Next I'll figure out how to adjust the envelopes and learn how to automate. I can see this program being a great tool.
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