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make sure you get the second version... its a good video. another one to download is "Martial Law - Rise of the Police State" This video gets into the backround of the elite powers of the world and why it would have been staged etc. Its a wakeup call for those who can take it.

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Originally posted by Aureus if you have faith in your government to tell you what actually occurred, you have more than a few screws loose. mezzir.. it's not about "jumping on a bandwagon".. it's about facing the evidence. conservatives that try and spin this whole topic as a "conspiracy" are only hurting this country and its citizens.

I don't believe everything the government says and I know they have information about the attacks that they aren't sharing with the public for whatever reason. But there is no way the attacks were staged. What purpose would it serve to do so? Were they bored one day and decided to fuck with everyone?

Wow there are some PDD tools that would love this.

But i got some questions with this video. I believe the video states that some of the supposed 9/11 hijackers are alive. Now where is proof of this. Why doesnt a camera crew just go to these hijackers homes & inteview them.?

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Originally posted by jonSun Wow there are some PDD tools that would love this. But i got some questions with this video. I believe the video states that some of the supposed 9/11 hijackers are alive. Now where is proof of this. Why doesnt a camera crew just go to these hijackers homes & inteview them.?

Because George Bush sent them to a private island. Duh.

this was the biggest waste of time.

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Originally posted by flavdave Because George Bush sent them to a private island. Duh.

Not that this theory is crazy. Anyone whos read the 9/11 commision report could tell you theres alot of bs & alot of things that were not covered. The govt's story on 9/11 that came from the 9/11 commision is so full of holes that it gives fuel to conspiracy theorys. The govt doesnt even have an official story on what happened to WTC building 7. They couldnt come to a conclusion of why that building came down. So i dont know if its a Democract vs Republican thing, The govt had prior knowledge & failed to act do to confusion or incompetence, The govt knew & chose not to act or they were behind it.? Im just not gonna make a conclusion until i have these answers for myself.

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Originally posted by trewqy Much of the "facts" that were given in loose change were debunked. The beams inside a building were made of steel. As teh temperature rises the tensile stength of the building begines to weaken. Not sure what the temperature was inside.. but its gonna be at least 1000 degrees as the sprinklers cant do shit with jet fuel. You also have to take into account the wind. You might think this cant really make the towers fall.. but it really causes the steel to reach a certain limit where it would have to give way. Steel isnt the most ductile of materials. Look I'm a mechanical engineer, and I'm not saying I'm an expert..but it is certainly possible for the towers would fall withOUT the help of "bombs"

certainly is, the water from the sprinklers probably evaporated near instantly after leaving the sprinkler, and even in fully well skyscrapers, the wind moves them and they sway side to side, as much as around 6 feet (correct me if im wrong, i may be about the amount of movement due to wind)

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Originally posted by jonSun Not that this theory is crazy. Anyone whos read the 9/11 commision report could tell you theres alot of bs & alot of things that were not covered. The govt's story on 9/11 that came from the 9/11 commision is so full of holes that it gives fuel to conspiracy theorys. The govt doesnt even have an official story on what happened to WTC building 7. They couldnt come to a conclusion of why that building came down. So i dont know if its a Democract vs Republican thing, The govt had prior knowledge & failed to act do to confusion or incompetence, The govt knew & chose not to act or they were behind it.? Im just not gonna make a conclusion until i have these answers for myself.

well put... the story the govs giving us is a boatload os shit! just give us the damn truth.

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Originally posted by flavdave I don't believe everything the government says and I know they have information about the attacks that they aren't sharing with the public for whatever reason. But there is no way the attacks were staged. What purpose would it serve to do so? Were they bored one day and decided to fuck with everyone?

do some research on the world elite... bilderbergs and global government, globalization etc. its not a left/right US thing at all. its global corruption. and you can look in history books as well... how did so many dictators take power?

They create what called "Problem/Reaction/Solution" ex. Create "Terror" we react with "SAVE US GOVERNMENT!" and then you get freedoms striped from you in the name of "Security"... that would be the elite's so called "Solution"... its realy more power.

did you see on the mainstream news how bush said just few weeks ago... "I am the decider" and his staff says that "he is over the law"... that should rase questions in everyones head.

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Originally posted by jonSun Not that this theory is crazy. Anyone whos read the 9/11 commision report could tell you theres alot of bs & alot of things that were not covered. The govt's story on 9/11 that came from the 9/11 commision is so full of holes that it gives fuel to conspiracy theorys. The govt doesnt even have an official story on what happened to WTC building 7. They couldnt come to a conclusion of why that building came down. So i dont know if its a Democract vs Republican thing, The govt had prior knowledge & failed to act do to confusion or incompetence, The govt knew & chose not to act or they were behind it.? Im just not gonna make a conclusion until i have these answers for myself.

I agree with the part that I bolded. Our government is so caught up in partisan politics that it's hard for it to accomplish anything, for example the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. This is more of a case of our government being incompetent, rather than a case of our government pulling off some crazy scam.

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Originally posted by dcougar99 do some research on the world elite... bilderbergs and global government, globalization etc. its not a left/right US thing at all. its global corruption. and you can look in history books as well... how did so many dictators take power? They create what called "Problem/Reaction/Solution" ex. Create "Terror" we react with "SAVE US GOVERNMENT!" and then you get freedoms striped from you in the name of "Security"... that would be the elite's so called "Solution"... its realy more power. did you see on the mainstream news how bush said just few weeks ago... "I am the decider" and his staff says that "he is over the law"... that should rase questions in everyones head.

Bush: Hey you know what I hate? People making phone calls without us keeping track of who they are calling.
Rove: Ok, let's blow up the World Trade Center.

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Originally posted by flavdave Bush: Hey you know what I hate? People making phone calls without us keeping track of who they are calling. Rove: Ok, let's blow up the World Trade Center.

ok... that was informed

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Originally posted by dcougar99 ok... that was informed

It's what you were saying though. You're claiming that 9-11 was a plot to give the "elites" more power by taking away our freedoms. And you just proved my point that it's a ridiculous theory.

This site responds to a lot of the 9-11 conspiracy theory claims.

http://www.911myths.com/index.html

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Originally posted by Aureus link or stfu, i demand it what wind? all the debris fell inward... the towers imploded, as they do during a controlled demolition. watch the film! there is nothing that can be argued with

I'm not gonna explain it to you cause you dont understand fully the field I study in...But heres a rough description,

A massive tall building, sways. YOU DONT SEE IT. BUT IT DOES. You go the the shears towers or the petronas towers and you go to the top floor. You put a bathtub full of water, and you would see the water sway even after a few mins, even after a few hours.

But wait.. this doesnt really happen does it? AND DO U KNOW WHY?

Because counter balance has been implemented into the building. This is how you avoid earthquake disasters.This is why you no longer see long bridges sway side to side.

Now that the Twin towers has a few floors of infrastructures been smashed due to the crash, the top few floors just cannot handle the wind elements.The tensile stength of the steel has been significantly reduced due to the high high temperatures. The beams in the top floors give way and from there it was buried due to the weight.

What did you expect? The top half just toppling off sideways just like that? My dear boy, this isnt a lego set.

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Originally posted by Aureus i just don't understand how. everything is explained and sourced! the documents are there, the witnesses are there, it's just there's no 'demand' for the 'truth.'

dude are you a troll or something, calm down. just cause some people chose not to believe this conspiracy (and it is a conspiracy) doesnt mean you have to get all touchy. These "facts" have been around for a long time. I suggest you find the popular science article that debunks a lot of the myths surrounding 9/11.

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Originally posted by flavdave It's what you were saying though. You're claiming that 9-11 was a plot to give the "elites" more power by taking away our freedoms. And you just proved my point that it's a ridiculous theory.

dont think so... lets have a little hisory lesson here.

Hitler wanted power so he took advantage and lied about the Reichstag fire.. blamed it on the current gov. then took over power by suspending the constitution.

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The Reichstag fire, a pivotal event in the establishment of Nazi Germany, began at 9:14 PM on the night of February 27, 1933, when a Berlin fire station received an alarm that the Reichstag building, assembly location of the German Parliament, was ablaze. The fire seemed to have been started in several places, and by the time the police and firemen arrived a huge explosion had set the main Chamber of Deputies in flames. Looking for clues, the police quickly found Marinus van der Lubbe, shirtless, inside the building. Van der Lubbe was a Dutch insurrectionary council communist and unemployed bricklayer who had recently arrived in Germany.

Adolf Hitler and Hermann G�ring arrived soon after, and, when they were shown van der Lubbe, G�ring immediately declared the fire was set by the Communists and had the party leaders arrested. Hitler took advantage of the situation to declare a state of emergency and encouraged aging president Paul von Hindenburg to sign the Reichstag Fire Decree, suspending the basic rights provisions of the Weimar constitution.

read more here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire




This is fact. Its history and history has this way of repeating itself. Im not saying that it was all the Bush admin. but they knew about it and let it happened or helped it along. Just wait till something like this happens again... youl see a complete police state via martial law. camps and all. Infact Halliburton is building "containment camps" as we speek. look it up

Yeah, 9/11 was staged.

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Originally posted by Protege dude are you a troll or something, calm down. just cause some people chose not to believe this conspiracy (and it is a conspiracy) doesnt mean you have to get all touchy. These "facts" have been around for a long time. I suggest you find the popular science article that debunks a lot of the myths surrounding 9/11.

yeah the strawman article... that article has been debunked as well just google it.

there is a lota disinfo out there on 911... so you cant bundle everyone together. Some are way off base etc. I stick closeto things that are based on facts but dont make any sence.

conspiracy - a secret agreement between two or more people to perform an unlawful act

many people have the impression that a "conspiracy" is a "theory"... when infact is is not... hell if you buy a dimebag a weed you can get charged with conspiracy. but you add conspiracy into a converstaion and everyone thinks your a nut job...

One more thing, why would the US want to destroy two huge buildings, and kill thousands of American lives? You would have to be a complete dumbass to say 9/11 was some big conspiracy theory. Seriously, I'm sick and tired of these people spouting all of these speculations and crazy conspiracy theories.

Just shut the fuck up.

This movie is total bullshit.

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Originally posted by dj_bas This movie is total bullshit.

Yep, just more bullshit propaganda spouted by insane conspiracy theorists. Put on your tin-foil hat.

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Originally posted by placebo One more thing, why would the US want to destroy two huge buildings, and kill thousands of American lives? You would have to be a complete dumbass to say 9/11 was some big conspiracy theory. Seriously, I'm sick and tired of these people spouting all of these speculations and crazy conspiracy theories. Just shut the fuck up.

hahahaaa... do some research like I said before... you must watch a lota mainstream media but come on dont tell us to "Just shut the fuck up"... freedom of speach is a good thing you know.


"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" Benjamin Franklin

Ok well heres my take: I doubt that we will ever know the truth behind 9/11. There is just alot of stuff that we dont know and probably never will and unless we found out what actually happened, there will be those who believe it was an act of terrorism and those who believe the govt was behind it to some extent.

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Originally posted by dcougar99 hahahaaa... do some research like I said before... you must watch a lota mainstream media but come on dont tell us to "Just shut the fuck up"... freedom of speach is a good thing you know. "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" Benjamin Franklin

Research into what, some dumbass theory about how the US Government wanted to demolish the two towers FOR NO FUCKING REASON? Fuck that shit man, and no, I don't watch mainstream media, I don't agree with extreme right wing and left wing propaganda, and I don't agree with bullshit conspiracy theories. Say whatever you want, but all of those theories are completely false, and really have no factual backing. All the quotes and data is taken out of context. I'm not going to agree with some bullshit biased video. Fuck that.

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