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Originally posted by MiSSyM you know what shits me, reading one of the opinion pieces in todays Herald Sun- =The oldies should \"let it go\" and stop ramming the old country's culture down their childrens throat. MEANING PEOPLE WITH GREEK BACKGROUNDS SHOULDNT BE SUPPORTING GREECE. I think many Greeks were supporting Oz as well, obviously, however why the fuck shouldnt they support the Greeks. ITS IGNORANT ILL-MINDED, UNEDUCATED FUKFACES LIKE THAT, THAT MAKE ME WANNA GO OUT AND REALLY BUY A SHOTGUN! HELLO, ITS NOT THAT THE PARENTS ARE 'RAMMING' IT DOWN THEIR CHILDRENS THROAT, ITS WHO THEY ARE. ITS A PART OF THEIR IDENTITY, KNOWING ONES HISTORY & CULTURE SHAPES A PERSONS IDENTITY. HOW FUCKING PATHETIC. OH SO IF WE TOOK EVERYONES CULTURE AWAY FROM THEM, WHAT WOULD YOU BE LEFT WITH? MUTHAFUKER.

what people dont seem to understand, is that its not just about ethnicity or culture. many of the greek aussies would have been followers of greek soccer for ages, coz, as an international side, australia has done fvck all and for all intents and purposes they havent had an international squad in our life time. only the second qualification in 30 odd years for the world cup- now, who is going to \"give up\" the team theyve been following half their life just coz australia gets onto the world stage for once?

i wish the roos all the best, but damned if im gonna support them over a team that ive been following since i was in highschool. especially not for a side that might not play again for another 30 years (or in euro ever). come world cup soccer time, my colours are strictly red & white

hey MissyM, I hear popping valium allows you to turn caps lock off and chill the fuck out.

people are fogetting greece came here on holiday and all of the greek players have high paying contracts with large european clubs so an injury to them would put their career with their high paying clubs on hold...i think the ignorance of the new found aussie supporters is pretty tragic...albeit, its good to see the sport making a move here as well...a friendly is a friendly and i think both sides were pretty weak as the game progressed...no one wants an injury!

Off to Germany they go with a bang! Hopefully this spells the beginning of AFL's decline and soccers gained popularity in Australia.

It's not like an AFL side can compete at any world event?!

Greece played like crud, not because australia didnt let them play, but because they showed a lack of intensity and lack of commitment, after all, its a friendly, greece had nothing to gain from it, in saying that though, the aussies really impressed me, the way they created space for one another and knocked the ball around was impeccable.

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Originally posted by Chris Pana Off to Germany they go with a bang! Hopefully this spells the beginning of AFL's decline and soccers gained popularity in Australia. It's not like an AFL side can compete at any world event?!

oh no here we go. why would you want to wish decline upon a sport that has been entrenched in australian culture for 150 years? can't both sports co-exist and flourish together?

yeh the game looked pretty pedestrian at times but of course i know nothing about soccer.

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Originally posted by Chris Pana ...i think the ignorance of the new found aussie supporters is pretty tragic...albeit, its good to see the sport making a move here as well...a friendly is a friendly and i think both sides were pretty weak as the game progressed...no one wants an injury!

couldnt agree more.

the g was absolutely pumping. awesome atmosphere and everyone was really into it. the greeks were pretty sloppy to say the least. they didnt create space and often went forward in small numbers.

the aussies on the other hand moved the ball quiet well and created much more opportunities. things are looking bright

i didnt know who to go for. the aussies scored early which made me back greece a bit more just so they'd make a game of it. didnt happen.

oh and soups how about u get a clue and watch a few games rather then studying the fifa squads.

big thnx to paulie for some afterparty heroics and driving home drunk. a sore head makes for a lazy day at work i tihnk..

^^ what do you guys mean about the \'ignorance of the new found aussie supporters\'? the only thing i really noticed was the boos when someone passed back to the keeper (which i admit annoyed me a tad hehe).

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Originally posted by MiSSyM you know what shits me, reading one of the opinion pieces in todays Herald Sun- =The oldies should "let it go" and stop ramming the old country's culture down their childrens throat. MEANING PEOPLE WITH GREEK BACKGROUNDS SHOULDNT BE SUPPORTING GREECE. I think many Greeks were supporting Oz as well, obviously, however why the fuck shouldnt they support the Greeks. ITS IGNORANT ILL-MINDED, UNEDUCATED FUKFACES LIKE THAT, THAT MAKE ME WANNA GO OUT AND REALLY BUY A SHOTGUN! HELLO, ITS NOT THAT THE PARENTS ARE 'RAMMING' IT DOWN THEIR CHILDRENS THROAT, ITS WHO THEY ARE. ITS A PART OF THEIR IDENTITY, KNOWING ONES HISTORY & CULTURE SHAPES A PERSONS IDENTITY. HOW FUCKING PATHETIC. OH SO IF WE TOOK EVERYONES CULTURE AWAY FROM THEM, WHAT WOULD YOU BE LEFT WITH? MUTHAFUKER.

be quiet savage

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Originally posted by Chris Pana Off to Germany they go with a bang! Hopefully this spells the beginning of AFL's decline and soccers gained popularity in Australia. It's not like an AFL side can compete at any world event?!

Fortunately we don't have to put up with AFL in NSW and Soccer is the most played sport by youths and adults up here of every culture (I had 9 different nationalities in one of my soccer teams). It really suprised me when someone in melbourne told me Football is called "wog ball" in melbourne because only 'ethnics' play it, i think it's a pretty sad indictment actually

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Originally posted by Chris Pana Off to Germany they go with a bang! Hopefully this spells the beginning of AFL's decline and soccers gained popularity in Australia. It's not like an AFL side can compete at any world event?!

I'm quite happy to debate this one with you Chris.

I think both sports are excellent, last night was one of the best nights i have had at the 'g', and they will ultimately co-exist really well, but that's such an ignorant comment you've made. I'll give you a few reasons why...

1. How often can Australia (or any other team) compete in a world event? Every four years, meaning that in the interim there's a hell of a lot of downtime isn't there You've just dissed the "new found aussie supporters" and their "ignorance" but ultimately if Australia doesn't have them then it has nothing, so maybe it's attitudes like that that keep the general population from following soccer on a regular basis?

2. So you're saying that Greece came here on a Holiday? And that people should understand that? And that international clubs take precident (which is understandable). Well that's another reason why this won't be the beginning of AFL's decline because if the players are not taking it seriously then why should anyone else?

It's divisive attitudes like yours Chris which will ultimately only mean that soccer stays where it is at the moment on a local level, which is well and truly in the background - and that would be a real shame.

PS. did anyone see the pitch intruders at the end getting paraded handcuffed in front of the press for photographs?

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Originally posted by Dean Millson PS. did anyone see the pitch intruders at the end getting paraded handcuffed in front of the press for photographs?

that was funny, he did a good job, the crowd erupted every time he beat a cop...

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Originally posted by Aesthetic lol.. heated topic hey? you know what makes me laugh? when young wogs have an accent yet they have lived in australia all their life..

hahahaha@heated.
hahahah but the thing is they dont have the real wog accent, they have a muzzed-up accent.

LOL@PANA
1. I am very chilled! 2. CAPS ROCK! 3. lol@valium. AS IF!


Footy & Soccer cannot be compared. They are both in a league of their own! Footy will always be Australia's number 1 sport, I rekon anyways!

I agree & am also happy soccer has gained the well deserved attention its been getting, although why stop at just supporting Australia, fair enough even if you're not all that into the sport, you still wanna see Aus do well, but if people really like the game-go support or attend other soccer matches. There are heaps of leagues out there & some teams are really fun to watch.
Go Polonia!!

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It really suprised me when someone in melbourne told me Football is called "wog ball" in melbourne because only 'ethnics' play it, i think it's a pretty sad indictment actually

Yeh well anyone who wouldve said that is an IGNORANT, UNEDUCATED FOOL! Soccer is embraced by ALL NATIONALITIES, I have a few friends who are as Aussie as you can get, who play in a league & love their soccer!

soccer will pick up if australia can perform well, and consistently. im sorry, but this nation is only interested in winners.

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Originally posted by MiSSyM Footy & Soccer cannot be compared. They are both in a league of their own! Footy will always be Australia's number 1 sport, I rekon anyways!

AFL is definately a Melbournes no. 1 Sport but its quite small in other states. For NSW and QLD it's probably NRL, for Darwin its probably Boomerang throwing and Perth Rabbit Hunting

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Originally posted by tathi AFL is definately a Melbournes no. 1 Sport but its quite small in other states. For NSW and QLD it's probably NRL, for Darwin its probably Boomerang throwing and Perth Rabbit Hunting

i dont understand why you're so adverse to admitting afl is so popular. yes nsw and qld is league territory but everywhere else it's pretty much footy mad. why is that so hard to accept?

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MissyM Yeh well anyone who wouldve said that is an IGNORANT, UNEDUCATED FOOL! Soccer is embraced by ALL NATIONALITIES, I have a few friends who are as Aussie as you can get, who play in a league & love their soccer!

Well the people who told me this lived in NSW all of their lives and moved to Vic and have been there for about 15 years. Their son joined a few soccer teams when he got down there but was ostracised somewhat because he would be the only aussie on a team that was of entirely one background (Instead of saying "man on" in English they would talk in their native languages for eg.) To the point where it was uncomfortable so he switched to Cricket where he played Rep and later Rugby Union where he played for State. When his parents asked people at their work why Soccer in Melbourne was like this they would reply with comments like "oh it's just wog ball, it's always like that" and try and convert them to AFL lol. Its a dodgy stereotype because i know not all clubs can be like that, but i think the problem is alot worse than compared to soccer in NSW where 90% of the clubs you will get 4-5 Nationalities in a team.

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jizza i dont understand why you're so adverse to admitting afl is so popular. yes nsw and qld is league territory but everywhere else it's pretty much footy mad. why is that so hard to accept?

Well if you're referring to Perth and Darwin i was being facetious because i know how much hurt barbed comments like that can cause for you sooks But seriously, i have no idea if AFL is the most liked sport in states outside of Vic and Adelaide because fortunately we get very little coverage of the sport up here, and what little we do get we can easily tune out And if the other states do in fact play AFL more than any other sport, good for them i say! They need more states to play the game because they're certainly not going to find any other countries that play it

The greeks were on holiday, we would of seen a much more even contest had any of the greeks showed any interest towards playing soccer on this tour. In saying that the AUssies are looking sharp, back 3 look very mobile in chipper, neil and moore. Im a bit worried about our stocks up front, dukes goes missing in the big international games... EIther way was a fun nite and a great celebration of football 'the world game' in Melbourne... I think it also showed Australians the respect and gratitude we have towards AUstralia, for giving our parents and grandparents the chance to live in this beautiful country. Evident by the greeks singing both the aussie and greek anthems and clapping both teams off.

Lets go Australia... do us proud boys!

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Originally posted by tathi Well the people who told me this lived in NSW all of their lives and moved to Vic and have been there for about 15 years. Their son joined a few soccer teams when he got down there but was ostracised somewhat because he would be the only aussie on a team that was of entirely one background (Instead of saying "man on" in English they would talk in their native languages for eg.) To the point where it was uncomfortable so he switched to Cricket where he played Rep and later Rugby Union where he played for State. When his parents asked people at their work why Soccer in Melbourne was like this they would reply with comments like "oh it's just wog ball, it's always like that" and try and convert them to AFL lol. Its a dodgy stereotype because i know not all clubs can be like that, but i think the problem is alot worse than compared to soccer in NSW where 90% of the clubs you will get 4-5 Nationalities in a team.

So the parents of this kid, took him out of that ONE team, why not try another team! lol Im sure NOT ALL TEAMS wouldve been like that. And the people at the parents work who said "Oh its just wog ball, its always been like that" are complete fucking idiots as this comment sounds derogatory & isnt all true! And I can ASSURE you now, that ALL teams even in the VPL have people with different nationalities in them!


LOL@

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The greeks were on holiday, we would of seen a much more even contest had any of the greeks showed any interest towards playing soccer on this tour.

So none of them showed any interest towards playing soccer?
Sorry but that is BULLFKNCRAP. You could easily see the frustration & anger on the Greek players faces! If they didnt care that much, they wouldve been laughing & NOT CARING & NOT EVEN TRYING TO KICK THE BALL.

Dont think you were watching the same game sweetheart. Greeks won the european cup on hard work, movement off the ball, which was non existant on thursday nite...Charisteas didnt break a sweat for the whole game. As i said it was evident who was going to the world cup and playing for spots and who was on holiday...

If what you say is correct and the Greeks were on holiday, they are a disgrace to their nation. If you are representing your country you had better put your absolute effort into your game otherwise you are selfish gits who do not deserve the honour of being in the team.

dude...the game was an international friendly with absolutely nothing riding on the game...I dont think players want to risk their european contracts or jeaopardise their spots at their clubs by getting injured in pre season from a meaningless friendly...

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Originally posted by Paulie dude...the game was an international friendly with absolutely nothing riding on the game...I dont think players want to risk their european contracts or jeaopardise their spots at their clubs by getting injured in pre season from a meaningless friendly...

the fact remains, they were representingh their country and if you don't want to put in effort you may as well not turn up, cos you are disrespecting your country by deliberately playign poorly.

If you were given the chance to play for your country, whether it was a friendly or world cup final you'd bloody put some effort in wouldn't you?


ok, maybe they didn't want to risk their contracts, so number 1 why play at all, and number 2 if they are playign solely for money and not because you enjoy it they are playing for ALL the wrong reasons.

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Originally posted by Paulie Greeks won the european cup on hard work, movement off the ball, which was non existant on thursday nite...Charisteas didnt break a sweat for the whole game.

not that im discounting what youre saying at all, but if the greeks are actually good why arent they in the finals? they were lucky to beat the best in europe imo, and i dont think it will happen again any time soon.

alright guys let's take a step back in history, only for a moment.

When Australia was first settled back by the English, the national sport was Cricket. football was formed to keep the cricketers active during the periods the game wasn't played.

It puzzles me that all of a sudden, everyone is fearful as to the fate of soccer in australia. I believe the first problem is the identity of the game. For fuck sake it's known as football everywhere else in the world except australia.

We cannot sustain an Aussie league, or sport, without any international involvement. AFL has an expiry, I truly believe that. It's a game that has for too long, seen external sources assisting teams to stay afloat. If a side like Carlton cannot maintain a profitable club, then how the hell does the game ever more forward. Espcially since they have had over 50 years of status and recognition but can't maintain members????

I mean, great, it's australia's game, but don't emphasise this at the expense of other sports. Even hockey is played at an international level and always seems to get left out of public attention due to the AFL's bureaucratic leap on other sports.

Dean, debate away, but we aint solving any problems here and yes although the world cup is every four years, there are many other tournaments that are played at this level. do some reading on the topic and you will/should understand.

And yes, I still stand firm on what i've said, it's the truth and oh yes some people just don't get it. Lets remember that these players have million dollar contracts with european clubs and only 9 players of the full original Greek squad came down. If you were in their (contractual and financial) positions what would you do?

There is no reason why soccer cannot be more popular than AFL. Yes sure, they could co-exist. But at the end of the day it's all big business and viability/profitability that decides the fate of anything at the national level and how networks and game associations can fleece the game for what it's worth.

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Originally posted by Chris Pana For fuck sake it's known as football everywhere else in the world except australia.

how bout the US? im sure other countries would call it soccer too.

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Originally posted by Chris Pana AFL has an expiry, I truly believe that. It's a game that has for too long, seen external sources assisting teams to stay afloat. If a side like Carlton cannot maintain a profitable club, then how the hell does the game ever more forward. Espcially since they have had over 50 years of status and recognition but can't maintain members????

thats ridiculous. AFL sees more crowd than any other Oz sport. sure, some teams might have financial issues, but many do not. its a cyclical industry, like any other business. to extrapolate a club's financial woes across all other clubs or the institution as a whole isnt convincing.

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Originally posted by Chris Pana I mean, great, it's australia's game, but don't emphasise this at the expense of other sports. Even hockey is played at an international level and always seems to get left out of public attention due to the AFL's bureaucratic leap on other sports.

true, however the real problem isnt these other sports, its that the quality of soccer in australia is relatively poor. all our really good players go overseas, and why wouldnt you? more money, more prestige.

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Originally posted by Chris Pana There is no reason why soccer cannot be more popular than AFL. Yes sure, they could co-exist. But at the end of the day it's all big business and viability/profitability that decides the fate of anything at the national level and how networks and game associations can fleece the game for what it's worth.

sport is inherently a cultural thing, and in our culture, AFL is it. until you get your average aussie into soccer, it will continue to languish. another reason its awesome to see a team in the world cup, and the bandwagon jumpers are needed in their droves to help the game at a regional/national level.

its not AFL or any other sport thats the issue, its the cultural disinterest australians have in soccer. maybe after several world cup appearances it might be different, but you cant blame anything else for its lack of popularity. australians dont like soccer. same as americans dont like soccer. other sports have captured more hearts and minds. simple economics.

pkc, good on you for nit picking on each point that's been raised. At the end of the day, we see things for what they are. You can't change an opinion on things and how people perceive things to be. I'm a very passionate soccer supporter, heck I used to play football back in the days and loved it. But stopped support the game once it became AFL.

With respect to the quality of soccer in Australia, the problem is due to poor, inadequate funding. The reason they leave for europe or another continent is to be able to compete at an international level for which Australia does not have the ability to do so up until now. I feel that this world cup should give the country enough gravity to pull it through and hopefully pick up the game locally. Yes, I am rather optimistic on this point and truly do hope it gathers momentum and strength.

Yes AFL still has an expiry, I was at a corporate lunch at the Hyatt last week. We had Matthew Lloyd, another Geelong player (don't remember his name), a female commentator and Neil Daniher (spelling?) speaking and this same question was asked of Neil Daniher. Do you feel that soccer threatens the AFL tournament? His response was as to be expected. Yes. He feels that not enough Australian's have embraced the sport or given it a helping hand. He did also go on to say that the Auskick numbers are steadily declining (in his own words, halved). this is proof and evidence enough that the game is in some kind of trouble and that the youth leagues are declining. The game needs to change and quickly, again, in his own words.

If that isn't proof enough to you, coming from an active coach for Melbourne and someone who is instrumental in the game, then I don't know what is. I believe enough points have been raised, reraised etc. The topic now is growing tiresome and to be honest, we can't achieve much more here than a potential argument.

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