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Originally posted by starsearcher I don't believe there was ever an ACTUAL scientific proof that yes yes 100% cigarettes cause cancer...everyone knows they're bad, everyone knows that they could...but i don't think it was actually ever scientifically proven

That's because to be able to study people not exposed to SOME level of other carcinogens would be impossible unless you locked them in a vacuum sealed room for the duration of the study.

However, the fact that the incidence of lung cancer is drastically higher in those who smoke vs those who don't allows us to reasonably conclude that there is a significant correlation between smoking and lung cancer, because those who don't smoke are generally exposed to all of the same OTHER carcinogens as smokers.

You're playing on the difference between cause and correlation....which in the case of smoking, there is not a big difference between the two.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."

Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860

...celebrating this news in 5...4...3...2...1...

mwahhaha..

sweet..

this is green light to everyone who wants to join the green crew..

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* 2. Smoke out of a vaporizer...that actually ISN'T bad for you b/c there's no tar or something - just what a friend told me.

THere is no SMOKE from a vapourizer. It works by heating up the water in the pot and turning it into water vapour. As this happens, it binds with the THC(active chemical in pot), and is contained in the vapourizer. All you inhale, is water vapour and THC, no plant substance, and there fore no tar.

Ive had one for years, and it is wonderful for those people with sensitive lungs.

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Originally posted by The Highroller Understandable. Society has pounded it into our heads that smoking cigarettes is so bad, that people just automatically assume that smoking pot is just as bad, if not worse. These perceived harmful affects of smoking pot have never been proven. As a matter of fact, it now seems that it is being disproven. As far as I know, since it was initially criminalized in this country, pot has never been decriminalized. There was talk of decriminalizing it a while back, but it never actually happened.

I have always believed that smoking cigarettes was very harmful to you body, and have believed that smoking pot is also harmful, but not NEARLY as much. However...that still hasn't stopped me from toking. I don't smoke cigarettes though - but that's just b/c I don't find any use in it.

As for the crimilization and decriminialization, I was under the impression that being in possession of a small amount of pot was not a federal offence. I don't know much about politics and that stuff though, and I know you are Graham so I trust you!!

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Originally posted by Dopey 1. why would you be skeptical of a study done by ucla med school (and it isnt the first study) 2. doesn't taste good 3. what he said

1. The same reason people are skeptical of studies that prove that smoking can cause lung cancer.

2. Well that your opinion. I think it tastes awesome.

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* think it tastes awesome.

really? out of a vapo? I duno, I like to taste the different kinds I get and I really don't find that it tastes like anything when it doesnt have the 'tar' I guess. Tar gives it taste!!! lol I duno but I would take a nice joint over a machine any day. maybe with shittier weed it's acceptable but not wit de greenest of dem greens (and by that it could be orange or red or blue or what have you) <--rhymed

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Originally posted by Dopey really? out of a vapo? I duno, I like to taste the different kinds I get and I really don't find that it tastes like anything when it doesnt have the 'tar' I guess. Tar gives it taste!!! lol I duno but I would take a nice joint over a machine any day. maybe with shittier weed it's acceptable but not wit de greenest of dem greens (and by that it could be orange or red or blue or what have you) <--rhymed

I don't mind the taste of weed. I don't enjoy it as much as you do it looks like. Have you tried those pot flavoured lollypops?! Haha But I don't smoke pot for the taste, I smoke it to get high. So vaporizers are good in my books.

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Originally posted by Dopey really? out of a vapo? I duno, I like to taste the different kinds I get and I really don't find that it tastes like anything when it doesnt have the 'tar' I guess. Tar gives it taste!!! lol I duno but I would take a nice joint over a machine any day. maybe with shittier weed it's acceptable but not wit de greenest of dem greens (and by that it could be orange or red or blue or what have you) <--rhymed

Tastes like steamed veggies.

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Originally posted by Orko THere is no SMOKE from a vapourizer. It works by heating up the water in the pot and turning it into water vapour. As this happens, it binds with the THC(active chemical in pot), and is contained in the vapourizer. All you inhale, is water vapour and THC, no plant substance, and there fore no tar. Ive had one for years, and it is wonderful for those people with sensitive lungs.

vaporizers rock...I'm often just too lazy to use mine

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Originally posted by Orko Tastes like steamed veggies.

like steamed grass. fukin nasty compared to weed taste imo

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Originally posted by Orko Wait, in this report they say the 'leaves'...who the hell is smoking the leaves!? They are seriously missing out on the good stuff (buds).

Correction: Actually, the "bud" is all leaf. Just condensed branches.

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Originally posted by Orko THere is no SMOKE from a vapourizer. It works by heating up the water in the pot and turning it into water vapour. As this happens, it binds with the THC(active chemical in pot), and is contained in the vapourizer. All you inhale, is water vapour and THC, no plant substance, and there fore no tar.

Correction: THC cannot be binded to water or sugar, It requires an alcohol or fat based molecule to piggyback. A vaporizer simply Heats the active chemicals (CNB's, CDB's, and the most common THC) which are then captured in a chamber ready to be inhaled



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Originally posted by Dopey no obviously letting it into clubs, public places etc will take a lot longer than legalizing it for general use but eventualy they should since they are proving now that it isn't harmful.

Okay, a couple of things here. Yes smoking cigarettes was banned in publice places. When non-smokers heard about it, one of the most common things i heard was "Yay, i won't stink of smoke anymore."

Same thing applies to pot. I personally can't stand the smell and hate pot in general. I don't care if you smoke it as long as you're not smoking it in my general area. There is no way they would let people smoke pot in clubs etc because people don't want to reek of it! It's the same argument with cigarettes, people don't like the smell so they don't want it around them. I love the smell but i can live with smoking in DSRs so non-smokers don't have to deal with it.

Another reason why I would hate for it to be allowed in clubs/public areas is because i can imagine the contact buzz some people would get. Pot highs make me paranoid and sick lol. So it's a factor to my health, even though it may not give me lung cancer. I think the way the Dutch deal with it is best. Smoke cafes where you can have your joints, hang with friends, etc without bothering the people who don't want to deal with it.

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Originally posted by loca I think the way the Dutch deal with it is best. Smoke cafes where you can have your joints, hang with friends, etc without bothering the people who don't want to deal with it.

+1

Keep it on the down low. No need to wave it in everyone's face. Thats just straight up respect for your fellow human being.









unless i'm sneaking a quick toke on the dancefloor...hee hee

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Originally posted by Platipus unless i'm sneaking a quick toke on the dancefloor...hee hee

I hate it when people do that.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur I hate it when people do that.

I also hate having to climb over drunk people laid out in front of the door. tsk tsk

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Originally posted by Platipus I also hate having to climb over drunk people laid out in front of the door. tsk tsk

Were you even there?

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Were you even there?

hahaahah... Most definately... I watched as you declared yourself first one out and proceeded to sit in front of the refrigerator.

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Originally posted by Platipus hahaahah... Most definately... I watched as you declared yourself first one out and proceeded to sit in front of the refrigerator.

You have no idea how hard I'm trying to remember the kitchen scene, and I'm coming up with nothing. Aahh alcohol, is there something you can't do?

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur You have no idea how hard I'm trying to remember the kitchen scene, and I'm coming up with nothing. Aahh alcohol, is there something you can't do?

hahhahaha, does not surprise me. Moments before everyone had you saying words in a thick russian accent.. i remember... BURMANNNNTHOOORRRRPE.

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Originally posted by loca Okay, a couple of things here. Yes smoking cigarettes was banned in publice places. When non-smokers heard about it, one of the most common things i heard was "Yay, i won't stink of smoke anymore." Same thing applies to pot. I personally can't stand the smell and hate pot in general. I don't care if you smoke it as long as you're not smoking it in my general area. There is no way they would let people smoke pot in clubs etc because people don't want to reek of it! It's the same argument with cigarettes, people don't like the smell so they don't want it around them. I love the smell but i can live with smoking in DSRs so non-smokers don't have to deal with it. Another reason why I would hate for it to be allowed in clubs/public areas is because i can imagine the contact buzz some people would get. Pot highs make me paranoid and sick lol. So it's a factor to my health, even though it may not give me lung cancer. I think the way the Dutch deal with it is best. Smoke cafes where you can have your joints, hang with friends, etc without bothering the people who don't want to deal with it.

what about ppl that walk in the street and smoke cigs? I faking hate the smell. srsly tho i bet if u took a poll of all non-smokers they would prefer weed smoke to cigs. cigs smell like complete shyte to me, water pipes are fine but cigs are so nasty. and u can bet in 15 yrs if not less, pot will be allowed in clubs, it will be up to individual club owners whether or not to allow ppl to smoke and u can bet they will. the dutch? u think weed smoke is not allowed in dutch nightclubs? lol

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Originally posted by Dopey what about ppl that walk in the street and smoke cigs? I faking hate the smell. srsly tho i bet if u took a poll of all non-smokers they would prefer weed smoke to cigs. cigs smell like complete shyte to me, water pipes are fine but cigs are so nasty. and u can bet in 15 yrs if not less, pot will be allowed in clubs, it will be up to individual club owners whether or not to allow ppl to smoke and u can bet they will. the dutch? u think weed smoke is not allowed in dutch nightclubs? lol

And i hate the smell of pot, so i guess we're stuck on that one huh. As for pot being allowed in clubs, i'm sorry but i just don't see it happening in Canada. I guess we'll have to see though.

And when it comes to pot being allowed in nightclubs in holland, i have yet to go to a dutch nightclub where people are smoking pot out in the open. And i've been to many nightclubs in Belgium (who has the same pot policy as the Netherlands) and believe me when i tell you pot is NOT allowed to be smoked in there

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Originally posted by loca And i've been to many nightclubs in Belgium (who has the same pot policy as the Netherlands) and believe me when i tell you pot is NOT allowed to be smoked in there

If thats the case then I think the policy's a bit discriminatory. A buddy of mine went to a club(i think it was called escape) and got VIP access. He asked the bouncer if hes allowed to roll one up in the club and he was given full permission to do so.

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Originally posted by Platipus +1 Keep it on the down low. No need to wave it in everyone's face. Thats just straight up respect for your fellow human being. unless i'm sneaking a quick toke on the dancefloor...hee hee

true dat...I don't feel guilty on the dancefloor because more than a few cig smokers still light up in there anyway

and big thanks to whomever that girl was who sparked one late in the night during Deep Dish...a TA, but I dunno who...exactly what I needed at that moment

a friend tonight mentioned this study, i told him my inner self already knew that and we had a good laugh about it.

i'm sparking one now to celebrate the momment. cheers :-)

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