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Re: Re: Artists That Have Stopped Producing Because Of Illegal File Sharing

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Not our beloved underground dance producers and DJs, who do it for love of the sound!!

you'd be surprised :/

Filesharing was really (sarcasm coming) hard for people who get paid shitloads to play other peoples' records, while being thought of as a God to naive club goers; while most people would give their left nut to be able to get paid to be a deejay and worshipped as such.......what a world we live in

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Originally posted by torontotrance Filesharing was really (sarcasm coming) hard for people who get paid shitloads to play other peoples' records, while being thought of as a God to naive club goers; while most people would give their left nut to be able to get paid to be a deejay and worshipped as such.......what a world we live in

That's a good thing. It means that DJs will have to dig twice as hard.

Re: Re: Artists That Have Stopped Producing Because Of Illegal File Sharing

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Originally posted by Ishkur Remember to add this part: For 50 years the music industry controlled what it wanted us to listen to, like, and know about in the world of music. Through carefully guarded bottlenecks, it disseminated music to a docile public in set quantities through the only mediums people could access: radio, television, newspaper. The problem with these mediums is that they are one-way. Those in control of them are equally in control of the minds and opinions of their listeners, watchers, and readers. The people had no feedback or choice. They were simply empty vessels to be filled. Filesharing and the internet destroys this dichotomy. It eliminates the bottlenecks, it levels the playing field, and it destroys all the barriers between composer and consumer. Now, the makers of music don't have to go through the industry to have their music heard, and the listeners of music don't have to go to the industry to get new and exciting forms of it. Through the two-way medium of the internet, the people are empowered; they have a voice, a cause, and they go where the music makes them happy, not where the industry tells them to spend their money. So you can see why the industry does not like file-sharing and the internet. It is a backdoor that bypasses their decades-old controlled bottleneck. It is a threat to their power, their position, and their ability to control the market of music consumption.

Wow Ishkur, thanks to that I think that I'm going to rewrite my paper about the positives of filesharing. Thanks a lot for the feedback guys

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Originally posted by Aquarian This genre wouldn't exist without file sharing.

+1

Re: Re: Artists That Have Stopped Producing Because Of Illegal File Sharing

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Originally posted by Ishkur Remember to add this part: For 50 years the music industry controlled what it wanted us to listen to, like, and know about in the world of music. Through carefully guarded bottlenecks, it disseminated music to a docile public in set quantities through the only mediums people could access: radio, television, newspaper. The problem with these mediums is that they are one-way. Those in control of them are equally in control of the minds and opinions of their listeners, watchers, and readers. The people had no feedback or choice. They were simply empty vessels to be filled. Filesharing and the internet destroys this dichotomy. It eliminates the bottlenecks, it levels the playing field, and it destroys all the barriers between composer and consumer. Now, the makers of music don't have to go through the industry to have their music heard, and the listeners of music don't have to go to the industry to get new and exciting forms of it. Through the two-way medium of the internet, the people are empowered; they have a voice, a cause, and they go where the music makes them happy, not where the industry tells them to spend their money.

Well said. +1

Anyone who quits producing trance because of filesharing is producing for the wrong reason in the first place, IMO

You might wanna talk to DJ nemesis a bit more, he had a mix that owned napster back in the day, did anybody else get into trance as a result of downloading "alpha one" ?

Well, speaking entirely for myself, I got plenty of international DJ gigs from the sets I made available on napster way back. I've been numerous times to countries such as USA, Turkey, Egypt and Denmark (plus a bunch of one-times in other countries).

Of course, the noise from other bedroom DJs was much less back in those days....

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Originally posted by Aquarian Not just that, I mean that 99% of it's present audience would be listening to 50 cent and britney instead. It might still be there, but with far less producers and an almost insignificant ammount of people that appreciate them.

i would say you are correct with much of the Americas and Asia but not so in the UK. The rapid growth of trance in 1997-1999 largely pre-dated the growth of mass internet music downloading

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Originally posted by slinkyhead i would say you are correct with much of the Americas and Asia but not so in the UK. The rapid growth of trance in 1997-1999 largely pre-dated the growth of mass internet music downloading

Correct and superstar DJs selling out 30k+ capacity venues have been around since the early 90s at least. Tribal Gathering in the UK, MayDay in Germany and The Universe Rave (Switzerland??) are a few examples.

I think Filesharing LARGELY influenced EDM here in the states. As the USA doesn't nearly support the EDM scene as much as people in europe. Think about it this way, one of the biggest pop names in Europe: Jamiroquai is known by maybe 1 out of 10 people here in the states (and trust me, I'd take the music of Jamiroquai over any "pop" artist we've got over here anyday of the week).

The media is so heavily controlled here in the states that without filesharing, I'd be suprised if I knew what EDM was at all.

my 2 cents.

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Originally posted by slinkyhead i would say you are correct with much of the Americas and Asia but not so in the UK. The rapid growth of trance in 1997-1999 largely pre-dated the growth of mass internet music downloading

Yea, we traded cassette tapes instead.

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Remember to add this part: For 50 years the music industry controlled what it wanted us to listen to, like, and know about in the world of music. Through carefully guarded bottlenecks, it disseminated music to a docile public in set quantities through the only mediums people could access: radio, television, newspaper. The problem with these mediums is that they are one-way. Those in control of them are equally in control of the minds and opinions of their listeners, watchers, and readers. The people had no feedback or choice. They were simply empty vessels to be filled. Filesharing and the internet destroys this dichotomy. It eliminates the bottlenecks, it levels the playing field, and it destroys all the barriers between composer and consumer. Now, the makers of music don't have to go through the industry to have their music heard, and the listeners of music don't have to go to the industry to get new and exciting forms of it. Through the two-way medium of the internet, the people are empowered; they have a voice, a cause, and they go where the music makes them happy, not where the industry tells them to spend their money.

Thats a bit conspiracy theory for my liking. Its not really that covert and its not that deliberate.

TV and Radio are passive communicators though. The internet is interactive so theres 2 ways of receiving and sending information. In both cases though, people's opinions only really count in large numbers. Its a moot point either way.

There is no doubt that filesharing impacts record sales. What everyone isnt clear on is whether the free dissemination of this music via p2p and the free channels of distribution and advertising they get on forums will attract more people to the music, thus generating more record sales. Its a huge fucking grey area. I wouldn't champion the internet for 'waking up the damned from their SLAVARY!!! HAR!'

For every dude that downloads a tune via soulseek then buys the album because they like what they hear, there is at least 1 unscrupulous wart faced pirate fuckhead. Quite possibly more. Who upon hearing this good song, proceeds instead to add every other song from every album by that artist to his download queue. Free delivery courtesy of the ASDL/T1 fat pipe that mom is paying for.

Sharing songs and tapes has always been an important part of this scene, but there has to be some give and take. I met too many people at uni that didnt have any significant kind of CD/Record collection but had thousands upon thousands of mp3s. Some of them hadnt even listened to some of the albums they had ripped. Which is kind of tragic.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 You might wanna talk to DJ Nemesis a bit more, he had a mix that owned napster back in the day, did anybody else get into trance as a result of downloading "Alpha One" ?

Ah the good old days.. I remember there were more copies of that on Napster than any other dj mix I could remember! You'd get more search results than napster could display at any given time.

Filesharing has it's pros & it's cons. Personally I think it's taken a lot of the magic away from EDM because nowadays everything is so saturated. There are a million and one bedroom DJs or MP3 Djs etc and everyone's got a radio show and a set out and things are so oversaturated now. As for CD sales and the significance that CD releases used to have it's gone down hill so much as well.

Re: Re: Artists That Have Stopped Producing Because Of Illegal File Sharing

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Originally posted by Ishkur Remember to add this part: For 50 years the music industry controlled what it wanted us to listen to, like, and know about in the world of music. Through carefully guarded bottlenecks, it disseminated music to a docile public in set quantities through the only mediums people could access: radio, television, newspaper. The problem with these mediums is that they are one-way. Those in control of them are equally in control of the minds and opinions of their listeners, watchers, and readers. The people had no feedback or choice. They were simply empty vessels to be filled. Filesharing and the internet destroys this dichotomy. It eliminates the bottlenecks, it levels the playing field, and it destroys all the barriers between composer and consumer. Now, the makers of music don't have to go through the industry to have their music heard, and the listeners of music don't have to go to the industry to get new and exciting forms of it. Through the two-way medium of the internet, the people are empowered; they have a voice, a cause, and they go where the music makes them happy, not where the industry tells them to spend their money. So you can see why the industry does not like file-sharing and the internet. It is a backdoor that bypasses their decades-old controlled bottleneck. It is a threat to their power, their position, and their ability to control the market of music consumption.

I... I think I love you.

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Originally posted by Ishkur No, he means the whole post-90s rise of the superstar DJ as an event attraction all by himself would not exist in any noticeable capacity if it weren't for file-sharing. And he's right.

i agree. i don't think half of us would be here without filesharing.

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