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productions: 136,5 - 139,5
spinning: 137,5 - 146

sometimes less or more, depending on the audience

120 - 147

Welp it used to pretty much be anything over 135 but I've come to love it all. In a club, I'd like it slow at first... 120 to 130 and then by the end of the night up to 135+.

In general I pick a bpm and stay with it the entire night or increase slightly later in the night. Instead of increasing the bpms throughout the night I'd rather increase the energy of the tracks at the same bpm.

125-128 usually

...can't stand dance music much faster than that since the real bouncy rhythms and grooves become lost with the faster-paced tempos.

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Originally posted by GUBostonDubs In general I pick a bpm and stay with it the entire night or increase slightly later in the night. Instead of increasing the bpms throughout the night I'd rather increase the energy of the tracks at the same bpm.

Don't understand this, wouldn't you technically be increasing the energy as you increase the BPMs? Sure the tunes might be more energetic sounding but say they are a tune that is 135 and your playing it at say 130 or less, thats a bit slower and doesn't quit match the speed/energy that it was meant to be played at.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Don't understand this, wouldn't you technically be increasing the energy as you increase the BPMs? Sure the tunes might be more energetic but say they are a tune that is 135 and your playing it at say 130 or less, thats a bit slower and doesn't quit match the speed/energy that it was meant to be played at.

It's knowing your music. I wouldn't try to pitch down a track that far but my point is that bpms do not = the amount of energy in a track. That's a common misconception. Also if I was playing all tracks at 126 bpms I would be generally playing tracks that were meant for that range ie. not pitched up or down too far.

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Originally posted by GUBostonDubs It's knowing your music. I wouldn't try to pitch down a track that far but my point is that bpms do not = the amount of energy in a track. That's a common misconception.

I understand, I have just always equated higher BPMs with increased energy, building up sets gradually by BPM. I'm not saying lower BPMs have no energy since I try to stick around 128 to 132. Just try to play tunes around their original BPMs, really pitching down something or even pitching up something can take some of the energy away in the tracks i've seen...

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Originally posted by Spirit5 I understand, I have just always equated higher BPMs with increased energy, building up sets gradually by BPM. I'm not saying lower BPMs have no energy since I try to stick around 128 to 132. Just try to play tunes around their original BPMs, really pitching down something or even pitching up something can take some of the energy away in the tracks i've seen...

That's why I don't pitch up or down too far at all. It's about what elements make up the track and the energy contained within them. You find me 10 tracks all at 130 bpms set at 0 on the pitch control and I would try to place them in the order of their energy level to build up the set if I wanted to keep increasing the energy all the way through the set or bring down the energy. This is what djs like Danny Howells, Sasha, and Digweed often do. Howells for example in a 10 hour set at pawn shop in miami I doubt changed the bpm the entire night yet created many peaks and valleys due to the energy levels of the tracks themselves. That's advanced level djing stuff and something I'm hoping to eventually master that at some point.

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Originally posted by GUBostonDubs That's why I don't pitch up or down too far at all. It's about what elements make up the track and the energy contained within them. You find me 10 tracks all at 130 bpms set at 0 on the pitch control and I would try to place them in the order of their energy level to build up the set if I wanted to keep increasing the energy all the way through the set or bring down the energy. This is what djs like Danny Howells, Sasha, and Digweed often do. Howells for example in a 10 hour set at pawn shop in miami I doubt changed the bpm the entire night yet created many peaks and valleys due to the energy levels of the tracks themselves. That's advanced level djing stuff and something I'm hoping to eventually master at some point.

Cool, I understand, because I keep the same BPM for like 3 or 4 tracks in some my mixes, and I know sometimes i've almost kept the same BPM throughout, like last night, so I know what your talking about. I guess it's just a miconceptation that higher BPM = more energy, but I think if your only doing an hour or two you should probably increase it, vs. a 4 hour to 10 hour set where you have more time to play a variety of stuff, and besides you could go into such huge BPM levels by doing that over 4 hours. So thanks for clearing this up, didn't mean to make it sound like a debate.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Cool, I understand, because I keep the same BPM for like 3 or 4 tracks in some my mixes, and I know sometimes i've almost kept the same BPM throughout, like last night, so I know what your talking about. I guess it's just a miconceptation that higher BPM = more energy, but I think if your only doing an hour or two you should probably increase it, vs. a 4 hour to 10 hour set where you have more time to play a variety of stuff, and besides you could go into such huge BPM levels by doing that over 4 hours. So thanks for clearing this up, didn't mean to make it sound like a debate.

No problem. I just think it's one way to make things smoother and have more flow As long as you increase or decrease bpms in a way that is not audible to the crowd ie during breakdowns...you will be fine. I remember tiesto in avalon a few years ago blatently slowing down a track in the middle of it to allow the next track to come in. I think he even did that a few times on his ISOS 4 cd. I dont think that's the best way to do things. It's just something that other djs have told me about and I've picked up on myself to help improve my own djing skills

125-140 => starting a set @ +/- 125, ending @ +/- 140

by the way guys, can anybody help me with this question:

how do raise the BPM / speed up the tempo, when you're doing a set? it's not easily done when mixing one record into another record, since u have to match the beats ... right?
can anybody give me helpful advice? i want to know, cauz' i'd like to start off a set very chilly, with some house/progressive (120 BPM or a bit more), and later on, gain up towards higher BPM's (around 140) for tracks like Randy Katana - In Silence (TxiTxarro mix) or Joris Voorn - Lost Memories pt. 2 => thats sorta stuff/records.

cheers, n thnx in advance!

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Originally posted by ThaMaestro 125-140 => starting a set @ +/- 125, ending @ +/- 140 by the way guys, can anybody help me with this question: how do raise the BPM / speed up the tempo, when you're doing a set? it's not easily done when mixing one record into another record, since u have to match the beats ... right? can anybody give me helpful advice? i want to know, cauz' i'd like to start off a set very chilly, with some house/progressive (120 BPM or a bit more), and later on, gain up towards higher BPM's (around 140) for tracks like Randy Katana - In Silence (TxiTxarro mix) or Joris Voorn - Lost Memories pt. 2 => thats sorta stuff/records. cheers, n thnx in advance!

Soooo

W/tables normally there is only +/- 8% Soo even if you push the pitch as high as you can, its basically impossible to go 120 to 140.

If you want after the 8th bar you can quickly change the pitch, yeah people will notice it but it sounds alright if u need to.

Other wise going from 120 -> 140 you are going to have to build your set and slowly go up 1 -> 2 bpm's a track slowly getting to 140.

Or you could mix out of a breakdown

or on the 8th bar hope that your 140 track hits at the right time and you can just cut the track thats going 120 off, but its not reccommended

124-133

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Originally posted by ThaMaestro 125-140 => starting a set @ +/- 125, ending @ +/- 140 by the way guys, can anybody help me with this question: how do raise the BPM / speed up the tempo, when you're doing a set? it's not easily done when mixing one record into another record, since u have to match the beats ... right? can anybody give me helpful advice? i want to know, cauz' i'd like to start off a set very chilly, with some house/progressive (120 BPM or a bit more), and later on, gain up towards higher BPM's (around 140) for tracks like Randy Katana - In Silence (TxiTxarro mix) or Joris Voorn - Lost Memories pt. 2 => thats sorta stuff/records. cheers, n thnx in advance!

I don't know what professionals do exactly, but I can tell you that I look for in betweens, that seems to be the best way. Like say your at 120, you may play another tune at 120, and then another may be 120.2 or 120.4 actually, and then when you want to increase you increase to 120.6 and then gradually to like 120.8 and then your pretty close enough to 121 BPM. So it's in increments. I learned that on MixMeister and I still use this on CDJ 1000s, but it's largely a guess thing with CDJ 1000s, the beatcounter isn't very accurate but it does give you a sense of where the track might be around (it may say 130, it may actually be closer to 129). So say something is really 120, increase the pitch to %0.50 or %0.70 and it should be around the in-between point so you can use that to match the on coming track that might be 121 as either it's original BPM or pitching it up some...and yeah it's hard to go from 120 to 140, it's in increments usually unless your a skilled DJ like Danny Howells and James Zabiela who have been known to go from a higher to lower or lower to higher BPM and still make it sound good.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 I don't know what professionals do exactly, but I can tell you that I look for in betweens, that seems to be the best way. Like say your at 120, you may play another tune at 120, and then another may be 120.2 or 120.4 actually, and then when you want to increase you increase to 120.6 and then gradually to like 120.8 and then your pretty close enough to 121 BPM. So it's in increments. I learned that on MixMeister and I still use this on CDJ 1000s, but it's largely a guess thing with CDJ 1000s, the beatcounter isn't very accurate but it does give you a sense of where the track might be around (it may say 130, it may actually be closer to 129). So say something is really 120, increase the pitch to %0.50 or %0.70 and it should be around the in-between point so you can use that to match the on coming track that might be 121 as either it's original BPM or pitching it up some...

You dont want the track around or in between, for the most part you want the track to come in at the same bpm as the one going out.

You can always nudge it up a bit during the track.

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Originally posted by Gabe de Wielen 125-134 for me

I love my house around 127. trance, maybe 134-137.7

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 You dont want the track around or in between, for the most part you want the track to come in at the same bpm as the one going out. You can always nudge it up a bit during the track.

But wouldn't something say at 120 to 120.2 not be compatiable with each other? Cause technically 120.2 rounds down to 120, there's not a huge difference between them. At least that's how i've always thought of it but it's probably from using MixMeister. The BPMs on MixMeister has decimal points so going from something at 137.9 to 138 to me sounds fine. So you could increase the track your playing from 120 to 120.6 in the middle of the mix and then play the next track at 121?

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Originally posted by Spirit5 So you could increase the track your playing from 120 to 120.6 in the middle of track and then mix into the next track at 120.6 then bump it up to 121.5...

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Originally posted by Spirit5 But wouldn't something say at 120 to 120.2 not be compatiable with each other? Cause technically 120.2 rounds down to 120, there's not a huge difference between them. At least that's how i've always thought of it but it's probably from using MixMeister. So you could increase the track your playing from 120 to 120.6 in the middle of the mix and then play the next track at 121?

The beats wouldnt line up on cdjs or vinyl. They might for a few seconds or so but it's not actually beatmatched if theyre not the same bpm precisely

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Originally posted by GUBostonDubs The beats wouldnt line up on cdjs or vinyl. They might for a few seconds or so but it's not actually beatmatched if theyre not the same bpm precisely

Okay so a track at 137.9 wouldn't work with a track at 138?

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Okay so a track at 137.9 wouldn't work with a track at 138?

it would for a few seconds but it would soon drift. It's more accurate the closer you are especially if you were on cdjs...

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Okay so a track at 137.9 wouldn't work with a track at 138?

It will work fine, just change the pitch of one of the tracks to match the other.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 It will work fine, just change the pitch of one of the tracks to match the other.

I dont think thats what he was saying. I think he meant if u kept the original track playing at 137.9 bpms would it stay matched with a track u bring in at 138 bpms....and the answer is not for long..

those computer programs like mixmeister and atomix allow u to make unrealistic mixes like that for some reason. It just wouldnt work on cdjs or tables accurately

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Originally posted by GUBostonDubs it would for a few seconds but it would soon drift. It's more accurate the closer you are especially if you were on cdjs...

Yeah I mean sometimes it seems like i'm mixing in a track at 130 and it's really close to 131 and I play the next track at 131 and it seems fine (yeah I may need to do some pitch bending sometimes or do some minor corrections but no biggy). With all of the %1.45, %1.50, %2.35, %3.25 etc etc pitch wouldn't it be hard to not do that because there doesn't always seem like a huge difference between something pitched at %1.50 to something at %1.60. I dunno if it's just me but I have trouble telling a difference on some tracks, but when it goes down to say %1.30 from %1.50 or %1.60 then I hear a little difference, but all of those percentage points make it difficult sometimes to tell if it's exactly pitched right even if I think it is from listening...and then you get into %1.52, %1.53, %1.54 etc. I mean do you have to be THAT accurate?? because it starts to get confusing when you have all of those decimal points on CDJs...

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