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Originally posted by Magnetonium I love your ignorance. Actually, I can read the article. I have the book with the article on the back. Plus I searched for some of the words and got the whole story. I matched it to the script, its the same. As for authenticity of the article, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_crash < LOL, yes, please please DENY Wikipedia

Wikipedia is good, but it is also riddled with inaccuracies and is not always an authoritative source. Just because you read something on the Internet doesn't make it true.

Here's a funny one

Here's another

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& MANY OTHER LINKS, GOOGLE IT.

Likewise, you can Google just about anything and come up with query results that suit your agenda. There is simply too much crap out there. Try sticking to reliable, accountable, credible websites to prove your "FACTS!". And also, try actually showing some concrete evidence to support your theories. In all of your posts you have yet to offer anything other than second hand interpretations that are purely subjective in nature. You have proven nothing.

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The crash is not a theory. Its a fact as several prominent military officials confirmed it, only to change their stories later. So I proved you wrong!!!

I know a lot of prominent military officers personally. They all say you're nuts. I just proved that you are CRAZY!

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All you have left is the right for ignorance of the whole thing!!!

Whatever that means.

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If the Roswell Crash was covered up, and even Manhattan Project was hidden in deep secret until detonation of the bomb, what else is the government covering up from us? Please dont let ignorance get the best of you.

Let's see. George Bush is actually a hybrid monkey-human with an IQ of 300. Computers are actually Big Brother terminals that see all and know all. The moon is actually made of cheese. Man, I could go on but they killed off the cigarette smoking man years ago.

Please don't let the meth get the best of you (though I fear it already has).

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Originally posted by Magnetonium .....but when it comes to Roswell you guys have yet to produce any credible evidence to what I mentioned in this thread today. If you say that military contradicted itself in its first release of information about Roswell crash, you are contradicting yourself when you say that government is not covering anything up and it was just some silly weather balloon experiment. There would be no need for change of information, especially when that information opposes each other.

That's really great and all, but this topic isn't about Roswell. It's about invisible battleships. Now, either stick to that and defend this position that there exists a government cover up about a horrifically sucessful experiement in making a naval ship disappear, or kindly shut up.

The Philidelphia Experiment is always an ebtertaining read. But im curious that if it did really happen & the U.S. Govt was able to make a battleship disappear, why havent other countries done this too over the years. It would be a great military weapon to have a disappearing battleship or even time travel. This was obviously done before the A-bomb & when many other coutries have that technology now.

Along with that, if we had this technology back in the late 1930's early 1940's, why were we still trying to develope stealth technology for our planes in the 1970's?

I'm not discounting the fact that this study happend. In fact I'm quite intriuged by it, but saying that it didn't fail and was really a government cover up makes no sense at all. It doesn't fit any of the rest of the story.

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Originally posted by jonSun The Philidelphia Experiment is always an ebtertaining read. But im curious that if it did really happen & the U.S. Govt was able to make a battleship disappear, why havent other countries done this too over the years. It would be a great military weapon to have a disappearing battleship or even time travel. This was obviously done before the A-bomb & when many other coutries have that technology now.

They never successfully finished the experiment. Tesla was a genius, but he realized that the project was going to fall in the wrong hands, so he sabotaged it. Eventually government got rid of him, fearing he will release some of the information. They did make some interesting discoveries from it, but the technology is too dangerous to be implemented, according to the stories of alien intervention into the project. But that cannot be comfirmed by me, only stories.

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Originally posted by WM2 Along with that, if we had this technology back in the late 1930's early 1940's, why were we still trying to develope stealth technology for our planes in the 1970's? I'm not discounting the fact that this study happend. In fact I'm quite intriuged by it, but saying that it didn't fail and was really a government cover up makes no sense at all. It doesn't fit any of the rest of the story.

Technology is always improving. Military is always working to upgrade its weapons, always did and always will. We are far away from the point where technology cannot be upgraded any more. We are in fact very primitive compared to some stories of alein civilizations I read so far. Compare humans today with our technology 100 years ago. It was so primitive back then!

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Have you guys seen the movie btw? they say it was based on real events and they only changed the names of the characters. Nikola Tesla was one the main scientists behind the project,and he was mysteriously killed(eventhough the CIA claims it was an accident) while the project was happening.He also did some work with einstein on other peojects.Tesla was a true Genious but sadly you dont hear much about this great man. I think such project did take place.I've read alot on this and the roswell crash as well and there is so much evidence to prove that such events did take place. have you guys heard of the Disclosure project before?check it out. http://www.disclosureproject.org/npcwebcast.htm

I havent seen the movie. But maybe I should

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That's really great and all, but this topic isn't about Roswell. It's about invisible battleships. Now, either stick to that and defend this position that there exists a government cover up about a horrifically sucessful experiement in making a naval ship disappear, or kindly shut up.

my suggestion "if the government covered up Roswell, what else did they cover up". Philadelphia Experiment point has been extuinguished by me, I have no considerable proof, so I expanded my topic.

Shakka: I didnt just use google. There's no point restating what I said. 1) Philip Corso - former high ranking Pentagon official whose book I read, trusted, reliable source; 2) newspaper article including an interview with military (see the article text earlier on this thread), that is true. Not a fake.

You are crazy by suggesting below these that I didnt mention, you are only throwing holes in your own story (listen to this silliness):

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Let's see. George Bush is actually a hybrid monkey-human with an IQ of 300. Computers are actually Big Brother terminals that see all and know all. The moon is actually made of cheese. Man, I could go on but they killed off the cigarette smoking man years ago.

So I guess the government/military can change stories, say that they are right and true, then make up fake excuses and go to wars with fabricated evidence (like Iraq), and then people like you Shakka, just say the government and military can be trusted. Keep on living that life! Ignorance is bliss!

Ask yourself a question: if someone you know, a good friend of yours, lies and tricks on one or two or more occassions, I guess people like Shakka would just say: well, they are honest, reliable, have nothing to hide, and only concerned for the benefit of its citizens. They provide security (like before and after 9/11), stability to its people. They never ever have attempted or done any kind of cover-ups whatsoever. Wars in Iraq ARE COMPLETELY justified, Iraq's weapons of mass destruction have clearly shown that, etc. etc.

Shakka, I dont want to know what kind of people you hang around with, if you trust the government. Ha, I didnt even mention all the re-lection and election campaign lies.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_crash < LOL, yes, please please DENY Wikipedia

I still don't see how the headlines of some newspaper constitute a fact that says an alien craft crashed in Roswell. And that not even taking into consideration that no one has any idea how reliable the " Roswell Daily Record" is or the fact that just becuase something is in print does not mean its true.

What I hate about you conspiracy theorists is that you always throw around some wild claims and then say: "Well prove that it is not true!".

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YOU are going against the "status quo", railing against "common knowledge", and seemingly lacking "common sense"; the burden of proof is on you, not me. You need to "prove" what you say has even the slightest credibility before I even need to think about caring about it, let alone try to prove its lack of veracity.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium So I guess the government/military can change stories, say that they are right and true, then make up fake excuses and go to wars with fabricated evidence (like Iraq), and then people like you Shakka, just say the government and military can be trusted. Keep on living that life! Ignorance is bliss!

That's not the point. The point is that just because something isn't as it was initially reported doesn't automatically make it a cover up, conspiracy, scam, or whatever you want to call it. Let alone your question of motives. You make some awfully large assumptions without really providing any evidence to support your claims of a conspiracy.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Shakka, I dont want to know what kind of people you hang around with, if you trust the government. Ha, I didnt even mention all the re-lection and election campaign lies.

Trust me, they're veeeerrry scary.

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Originally posted by Shakka That's not the point. The point is that just because something isn't as it was initially reported doesn't automatically make it a cover up, conspiracy, scam, or whatever you want to call it. Let alone your question of motives. You make some awfully large assumptions without really providing any evidence to support your claims of a conspiracy.

You HAVE YET to produce any evidence about my points here other than the Philadelphia Experiment. I provided UNQUESTIONABLE evidence, as backed by the MILITARY INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS telling the story to the media. I rest my case.

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Originally posted by NebulousQ I still don't see how the headlines of some newspaper constitute a fact that says an alien craft crashed in Roswell. And that not even taking into consideration that no one has any idea how reliable the " Roswell Daily Record" is or the fact that just becuase something is in print does not mean its true. What I hate about you conspiracy theorists is that you always throw around some wild claims and then say: "Well prove that it is not true!". ... ... ... YOU are going against the "status quo", railing against "common knowledge", and seemingly lacking "common sense"; the burden of proof is on you, not me. You need to "prove" what you say has even the slightest credibility before I even need to think about caring about it, let alone try to prove its lack of veracity.

Fine print on the picture:

No Details of
Flying Disk
Are Revealed


Roswell Hardware
Man and Wife
Report Disk Seen


The intelligence office of the 509th Bombardment group at Roswell Army Air Field announced at noon today, that the field has come into possession of a flying saucer.

According to information released by the department, over authority of Maj. J. A. Marcel, intelligence officer, the disk was recovered on a ranch in the Roswell vicinity, after an unidentified rancher had notified Sheriff Geo. Wilcox, here, that he had found the instrument on his premises.

Major Marcel and a detail from his department went to the ranch and recovered the disk, it was stated.

After the intelligence officer here had inspected the instrument it was flown to higher headquarters.

The intelligence office stated that no details of the saucer's construction or its appearance had been revealed.

Mr. and Mrs. Dan Wilmot apparently were the only persons in Roswell who seen what they thought was a flying disk.

They were sitting on their porch at 105 South Penn. last Wednesday night at about ten o'clock when a large glowing object zoomed out of the sky from the southeast, going in a northwesterly direction at a high rate of speed.

Wilmot called Mrs. Wilmot's attention to it and both ran down into the yard to watch. It was in sight less then a minute, perhaps 40 or 50 seconds, Wilmot estimated.

Wilmot said that it appeared to him to be about 1,500 feet high and going fast. He estimated between 400 and 500 miles per hour.

In appearance it looked oval in shape like two inverted saucers, faced mouth to mouth, or like two old type washbowls placed, together in the same fashion. The entire body glowed as though light were showing through from inside, though not like it would inside, though not like it would be if a light were merely underneath.

From where he stood Wilmot said that the object looked to be about 5 feet in size, and making allowance for the distance it was from town he figured that it must have been 15 to 20 feet in diameter, though this was just a guess.

Wilmot said that he heard no sound but that Mrs. Wilmot said she heard a swishing sound for a very short time.

The object came into view from the southeast and disappeared over the treetops in the general vicinity of six mile hill.

Wilmot, who is one of the most respected and reliable citizens in town, kept the story to himself hoping that someone else would come out and tell about having seen one, but finally today decided that he would go ahead and tell about it. The announcement that the RAAF was in possession of one came only a few minutes after he decided to release the details of what he had seen. "

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I provided UNQUESTIONABLE evidence

Where? Where is your "unquestionable" evidence? I see nothing.

edit: What? That's all you have? A newspaper's interview of some hapless couple from Neveda? A statement by a proported military official? Lesser headlines of the newspaper?

OMG.

That's not evidence at all.

""""According to information released by the department, over authority of Maj. J. A. Marcel, intelligence officer, the disk was recovered on a ranch in the Roswell vicinity, after an unidentified rancher had notified Sheriff Geo. Wilcox, here, that he had found the instrument on his premises""""

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I cant believe your denial. By denying this, you are actually denying your own point by saying that government is being honest. So basically you just contradicted yourself and said that in fact they are lying when they are telling the truth.

LOL, If only the military didnt confiscate the footage of the interview between military and the Roswell media ... LOL

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I cant believe your denial. By denying this, you are actually denying your own point by saying that government is being honest. So basically you just contradicted yourself and said that in fact they are lying when they are telling the truth.

WTF? When did I ever make a point about the dishonesty or honesty of the government?

When did I ever say I denied that an alien craft/instrument/whatever crashed at Roswell?

All said was that ONE FREAKING NEWSPAPER PAGE DOES NOT CONSTITUTE UNQUESTIONABLE EVIDENCE that an alien craft crashed at Roswell. Stop seeing what you want to see in my posts and read what is really there.

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Originally posted by NebulousQ Where? Where is your "unquestionable" evidence? I see nothing. edit: What? That's all you have? A newspaper's interview of some hapless couple from Neveda? A statement by a proported military official? Lesser headlines of the newspaper? OMG. That's not evidence at all.

You are saying that what the government releases is facts? Just because they are the government who says things doesnt mean they have the EXCLUSIVE RIGHT to the truth, or that what they say is a fact. Rarely does the US government provide evidence, as seen in the Iraq War, fabricated Osama Bin Laden confession tape, etc. etc. In fact, most of the time what the government says is far from truth.

But I bet you are a government agent who is paid big bucks to lead their view. Many examples are out there to show the government's lies, like the Iraq War. But I understand why you think the government is 100% right and they have definitely brainwashed you.

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Originally posted by NebulousQ WTF? When did I ever make a point about the dishonesty or honesty of the government? When did I ever say I denied that an alien craft/instrument/whatever crashed at Roswell? All said was that ONE FREAKING NEWSPAPER PAGE DOES NOT CONSTITUTE UNQUESTIONABLE EVIDENCE that an alien craft crashed at Roswell. Stop seeing what you want to see in my posts and read what is really there.

There are obviously other pieces of evidence out there, like the change of the story by the government. Whats your view on it then?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium You are saying that what the government releases is facts? Just because they are the government who says things doesnt mean they have the EXCLUSIVE RIGHT to the truth, or that what they say is a fact. Rarely does the US government provide evidence, as seen in the Iraq War, fabricated Saddam confession tape, etc. etc. In fact, most of the time what the government says is far from truth. But I bet you are a government agent who is paid big bucks to lead their view. Many examples are out there to show the government's lies, like the Iraq War. But I understand why you think the government is 100% right and they have definitely brainwashed you.

HOLY CRAP CAN YOU NOT READ AT ALL! WHEN DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I rest my case.

Don't quit your day job.

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Originally posted by Shakka Don't quit your day job.

A very relevant point to the entire story, for sure. And dont worry, thats not the case.

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Originally posted by NebulousQ HOLY CRAP CAN YOU NOT READ AT ALL! WHEN DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT?

Whats your point then? Is the point that the newspaper lied to us?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Great explanation for how time travel works, in accordance to Einstein and Toskala: http://science.howstuffworks.com/time-travel4.htm

yay, time travel, and portable worm holes too!

according to howstuffworks' hypothesis, person B travels to space at 50% the speed of light for a few hours, with a portable worm hole - no less! then he jumps in the wormhole, comes out on the other side at earth, and is able to look through the wormhole to the other side which is somehow still supposed to be in his spacecraft, despite the fact that he didn't take his spacecraft to space at all.

now let's stretch the time travel further so that when he comes back to earth it's a century earlier , now most probably his presence there on earth negates the discovery and implementation of time travel, not to mention it most probably negates his own conception and therefore his existence... lol, i'm laughing too hard to actually continue

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Originally posted by Psy-T yay, time travel, and portable worm holes too! according to howstuffworks' hypothesis, person B travels to space at 50% the speed of light for a few hours, with a portable worm hole - no less! then he jumps in the wormhole, comes out on the other side at earth, and is able to look through the wormhole to the other side which is somehow still supposed to be in his spacecraft, despite the fact that he didn't take his spacecraft to space at all. now let's stretch the time travel further so that when he comes back to earth it's a century earlier , now most probably his presence there on earth negates the discovery and implementation of time travel, not to mention it most probably negates his own conception and therefore his existence... lol, i'm laughing too hard to actually continue

Thats why its called a hypothesis. Plus this thread is not about that anymore, since there's hardly enough proof present to question The Philadelphia Experiment. Thats why I expanded this thread to raise the question on the possibillity tha tthe government lied to us.

Is there anyone out there who supports the cover-up that can post here? I mean, come on, its obvious there are more people who believe in some sort of cover-up than of the weather balloon story ... with dummies (revised).

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Originally posted by Magnetonium They never successfully finished the experiment. Tesla was a genius, but he realized that the project was going to fall in the wrong hands, so he sabotaged it. Eventually government got rid of him, fearing he will release some of the information. They did make some interesting discoveries from it, but the technology is too dangerous to be implemented, according to the stories of alien intervention into the project. But that cannot be comfirmed by me, only stories.

Ah, so there were aliens involved too? Is that a FACT!!!?

Anyway, I think you're kinda missing on a few things. You must somehow add the Pyramids, aztecs, nasca, the human face on Mars, and ghosts into the theory if you want me to take you seriously!

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Originally posted by Magnetonium But I bet you are a government agent who is paid big bucks to lead their view.

solgrabber? is that you?

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Ah, so there were aliens involved too? Is that a FACT!!!? Anyway, I think you're kinda missing on a few things. You must somehow add the Pyramids, aztecs, nasca, the human face on Mars, and ghosts into the theory if you want me to take you seriously!

Haha, not you again. Dont make me spell it out for you:

I raised the Philadelphia Experiment for discussion. Then I expanded the topic to raise the question of the government's involvement in it, aka lies. Plus this thread is not about Philadelphia Experiment anymore, since there's hardly enough proof present to question The Philadelphia Experiment. THATS WHY I expanded this thread to raise the question on the possibillity that the government lied to us.

"Pyramids, aztecs, nasca, the human face on Mars, and ghosts" - different topic. It has little or no relevance to my point here.

I remember you were the one who said that government is absolutely honest and can be trusted, but I dont want to bring out the points from the other thread because its going to be the same mess.

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