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Originally posted by fairy godfather And on the 6th day...God created "cold meds"...why do you think he rested so well on the 7th day!

the fairy GODfather has spoken

amen.

I do believe in God, nearly all gods actually.

I believe there is something greater then us as human beings...call it God or whatever you want. But in the religous sence of the word God...no.

Philosophy, is a walk on slippery rocks
Religion, is a smile on a dog
I'm not aware of too many things
i know what I know if you know what I mean



I am an agnostic with nihilistic optimistic tendencies - ANOT for short.

I don't believe in God, I know that there is God

D. I don't know. But I have thought about it.

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Originally posted by Sasha God - yes Religion - No

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Was born Catholic but I consider myself Agnostic.

Not sure.

Out of curiosity...why did you start this thread, Jeff??

I was raised Roman Catholic and attended French Roman Catholic School until grade 12. I was never baptized, which makes the situation very odd. I am accepting of all religions, even though I might not understand a lot of the reasoning behind them. I myself do not believe in God, I do believe that people need a reason to believe, a purpose, ie the Creation of Belief, religions.

What about, "I just need proof, but I am neither for or against the idea of a god"?

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Originally posted by vickyvale Not sure. Out of curiosity...why did you start this thread, Jeff??

I'm guessing b/c of this

God will save me, if he exists thread

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* I'm guessing b/c of this God will save me, if he exists thread

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" ... and on the 7th day God created House... cuz he spent the first 6 days trying to figure out trance... and was like WTF!?!?"

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Originally posted by Djsketchbag This is my opinion and I don't want it offend/influence anyone, but I don't believe in God, I believe that religion was invented by man to give meaning to life and to avoid chaos also to give ppl something to live for.... people need hope and an explanation for the unexplainable and a reason why there alive. If people had nothing to live their life would have no meaning to life and there would chaos. It also gives people a false sense that life has a greater meaning then your born u mate u die�.. I have come to terms with this

Agreed. Except for the last part. There is much to live for without the existence of a "god". It might seem like chaos, but ultimately I've come to the conclusion that the purpose of life is to (1) better yourself and provide yourself a time to do the things you love, and (2) improve the lives of those around you.

My thoughts exactly.

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Originally posted by Djsketchbag This is my opinion and I don't want it offend/influence anyone, but I don't believe in God, I believe that religion was invented by man to give meaning to life and to avoid chaos also to give ppl something to live for.... people need hope and an explanation for the unexplainable and a reason why there alive. If people had nothing to live their life would have no meaning to life and there would chaos. It also gives people a false sense that life has a greater meaning then your born u mate u die�.. I have come to terms with this

short answer yes.

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Originally posted by evil_cookie short answer yes.

"the short answer is yes with a maybe, long answer.. no with a but"

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict Agreed. Except for the last part. There is much to live for without the existence of a "god". It might seem like chaos, but ultimately I've come to the conclusion that the purpose of life is to (1) better yourself and provide yourself a time to do the things you love, and (2) improve the lives of those around you.

I honestly can't say I really believe in a god, and I say that with a religious upbringing in both traditional Christian and non christian religions.

That said, the comments above are mostly right, but for AwakenedAddict's edits to the statement, isn't that exactly what the edicts of most religions try to achieve? I think the original post had it right. The things you do and say may or may not necessarily result in the improvement of lives of you, around you or those that follow you, no matter how well intentioned.

If you believe your actions do better for yourself and those around you, then that gives you peace. I'm am fully aware that my actions might one day result in something great and benevolent for mankind, or I may influence someone or something to cause massive heartache and turmoil. Or, my actions might simply impact no one enough to effect a change of anything significant and may just be a buffer to carry along someone else's actions. We're all connected someway, somehow, but it's us and the chain reaction of events that we can never predict that cause the results, not a god or higher being.

Case in point, I doubt that Jesus or Mohammed ever intentioned for their words and their teachings to be abused in the way it has over history. Jebus, though, knew exactly what he was doing when he made Ace 1 and 11.

It's an odd conundrum. Sometimes I find people with strong faith among the weakest minded people I know. On the other hand, sometimes I admire other's ability have such belief and consider them very strong minded. When it all comes down to it, it's the strength of their character that makes me respect them or not, and I can be content with myself without a god, where others can't. And it's all cool.

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Originally posted by Tranceplanted

Well you make an interesting point! This is where religion and I meet However we differentiate on how this should be achieved. Most religions adhere to strict codes of conduct that stipulate what is good and what is bad. This methodology is inherently is flawed because no set of rules can fully prepare someone for making the right decisions in life. Instead, an individual should think introspectively until he or she is satisfied that he/she is doing what is "right". Then act accordingly.

PS: yeh, I grew up in a religious household as well

No. I'm an atheist.

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Originally posted by Djsketchbag This is my opinion and I don't want it offend/influence anyone, but I don't believe in God, I believe that religion was invented by man to give meaning to life and to avoid chaos also to give ppl something to live for.... people need hope and an explanation for the unexplainable and a reason why there alive. If people had nothing to live their life would have no meaning to life and there would chaos. It also gives people a false sense that life has a greater meaning then your born u mate u die�.. I have come to terms with this

^^ HOLY SHIT PETER! You summed up my view on the situation EXACTLY. I'm talking PERFECTLY. EXACTLY as I've explained my thoughts to others.

I can't believe me and you see shit spot on the same! WOW. I'm fucking impressed man.

New respect next time we hang out buddy! All these years... and I never knew!!

Jamie

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Originally posted by Cribby +1 Was born Catholic but I consider myself Agnostic.

Yeah. Born and raised Catholic, then I reached the age of reason, and stopped giving a shit. There's just no room for religion in my life. I don't even think about it. I don't hate it, I just don't care.

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Originally posted by Halycon " ... and on the 7th day God created House... cuz he spent the first 6 days trying to figure out trance... and was like WTF!?!?"

HAHAHAHA

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 I reached the age of reason, and stopped giving a shit.

Speaking of age of reason

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The Age of Reason is a philosophical treatise written by the 18th Century British intellectual Thomas Paine, best remembered as the author of the political pamphlet Common Sense, credited with exciting colonial opinion in support of the American Revolutionary War. The Age of Reason, written in parts during the 1790s and dealing in a systematic examination of organized religion, advocates a skeptical and rational examination of religion known as Deism. Paine stresses his belief in the oneness of God, and the "Word of God" as exemplified by nature and the exercise of reason. Thus, he rejects many of the tenets of both the Old Testament and New Testament. As he stresses: "I sincerely detest it, the Bible as I detest everything that is cruel." Paine provides not only criticism of religion, but a foundation for belief in a supreme being free of the confines of dogma. Paine wrote the first part of the book in France during the first two months following his imprisonment in December 1793. Paine was in jail for protesting the execution of Louis XVI, so this first section was published in a French translation. After his release from prison in November 1794, at the urging of James Monroe, Paine wrote the second part. The completed work was published in 1795. Paine became extremely unpopular at the time due to this book and largely became a social pariah upon his return to America until his death in 1809. Yet his treatise became quite influential in the history of the skeptical, rationalist, and freethinking movements and remains one of the most persuasive critiques of the Bible and every other 'revealed religion' ever written. However, it is often ignored that central to this text is an argument in favor of the existence of a Creator, one based on reason and logic as opposed to the various fundamentalist modes of both religion and atheism.

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict Well you make an interesting point! This is where religion and I meet However we differentiate on how this should be achieved. Most religions adhere to strict codes of conduct that stipulate what is good and what is bad. This methodology is inherently is flawed because no set of rules can fully prepare someone for making the right decisions in life. Instead, an individual should think introspectively until he or she is satisfied that he/she is doing what is "right". Then act accordingly. PS: yeh, I grew up in a religious household as well

I don't want this to turn into a theological debate, but I can't help but seeing a ton of irony in your post. Religion, just like any other organized group out there isn't all that strict when you get down to it. They change and evolve their standpoints just like any other group. The Christian church is not the same Christian church it was a 1000 years ago. The core basic principles may not really change all that much, but the details always are in flux.

Based on your statement, what really differentiates the rules that a religion lays down to say what is right or wrong, vs what a government lays down to say what is legal or illegal? Both are fluid, and both change in the details of the implementation, and both are never static or they are doomed to fail. Part of the reason that Christianity has excelled is because they have been very opportunistic. They are not a round peg that happened to find a round hole, they became a sorta squarish peg to fit into a sorta pentagonal hole, and have constantly changed itself to sorta fit into different places to benefit themselves.

I think the reason that people view religion as a strict set of edicts and rules is because you can only ever view a small slice of the history of a religion. If you really look into the history of a lot religions, especially long standing ones, assuming you can get by the re-written history of some, you'll actually see they are very fluid and are simply reacting to the changing societies that move around them.

The basic principle in your statement is right, but in practice, most people are very easily influenced, and for the most part, lazy. Religion, government, social clubs, etc, all simply provide a way for people to fit into a group and have the burden of decision making done for them.

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