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Originally posted by DJ RJT It still feels a quite a bit nicer than previous Pioneer mixers... It just does still feel a little cheap for the money.

from the whole one hour I played on it yesterday it did not felt cheap even momentarily

Don't get me wrong guys.. They are really good mixers, but I don't know how some justify the money on them.

I wouldn't turn one down if someone offered to give/buy me one.. but as previously posted.. Mixers are personal preference...

This was 50% my opinion after reading Tuss's quote.. and 50% plug about my secret new toy coming..

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Originally posted by gorex from the whole one hour I played on it yesterday it did not felt cheap even momentarily

I didn't say it felt cheap all around, just cheap for what it costs.

What do you usually play on?

nothing special for speakers, just some pioneer tower speakers, and some smaller, ones, i dont know, it sounds good, i dont know shit about speakers, lol. i'll post it later in the week.

Hopefully you guys can help shed some light on a sore subject for me regarding this topic.

I just bought a DJM-600 from a friend to act as a temporary mixer for at home and producing my weekly mix podcast...

and there is a TON of channel bleed. example.

cue track's fader is completely down, yet, some of that signal still bleeds into the main output. I.e., a quiet spot in a track, you can head me fucking with the cue track.

completely unnaceptable.

Are you guys experiencing any bleed with the Xone series mixers? I played with my friends Xone 92 and completely hated the filter / LFO features. I'm thinking the Xone 62 would be perfect for me.

Can anyone help with input on this topic?

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Originally posted by CReddick Hopefully you guys can help shed some light on a sore subject for me regarding this topic. I just bought a DJM-600 from a friend to act as a temporary mixer for at home and producing my weekly mix podcast... and there is a TON of channel bleed. example. cue track's fader is completely down, yet, some of that signal still bleeds into the main output. I.e., a quiet spot in a track, you can head me fucking with the cue track. completely unnaceptable. Are you guys experiencing any bleed with the Xone series mixers? I played with my friends Xone 92 and completely hated the filter / LFO features. I'm thinking the Xone 62 would be perfect for me. Can anyone help with input on this topic?

thats just wear and tear.

worn faders bleed, its not the 600 or the Xone, its just crapped out faders.

Xones may (but I'm not sure here) have longer life faders, but a new 600 and a new Xone will bleed the exact same amount (none).

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter thats just wear and tear. worn faders bleed, its not the 600 or the Xone, its just crapped out faders. Xones may (but I'm not sure here) have longer life faders, but a new 600 and a new Xone will bleed the exact same amount (none).

yup, no matter what faders WILL bleed after time and abuse. thats why faders are replaceable.

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Originally posted by kimchi yup, no matter what faders WILL bleed after time and abuse. thats why faders are replaceable.

you mean that's why you go rotary

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Originally posted by Tegu you mean that's why you go rotary

haha touche

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Originally posted by Tegu you mean that's why you go rotary

Oooh... can't say i'm feeling ya on that one... I had rotary on my older Vestax and swapped em out for the faders...

but to each his own of course...

Now, lets assume the previous owner used channel 2/3 for the life of the mixer... if i hook up to 1 and 4, it should be clean.. righto?

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Originally posted by CReddick Now, lets assume the previous owner used channel 2/3 for the life of the mixer... if i hook up to 1 and 4, it should be clean.. righto?

only one way to find out

yeah rotary is where its at. Yeah lots of hate on the xones lately but like anything that gets hyped up its the same story. hate on every hyped mixer ever. Partly jealously and partly people fighting the mainstream type thing, plus some who really prefer something else. Anyways. Any and all faders can crap out but a djm600 probably sooner than a xone.

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter only one way to find out

That was a loaded quesion on my end... I already tried that and still experienced the same issues. I'm leaning towards JUNK MIXER.

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Originally posted by CReddick That was a loaded quesion on my end... I already tried that and still experienced the same issues. I'm leaning towards JUNK MIXER.

your going to have to replace the crossfader. thats what died out on you.

http://www.djkit.co.uk/acatalog/crossfaders.html

something like that.

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter thats just wear and tear. worn faders bleed, its not the 600 or the Xone, its just crapped out faders. Xones may (but I'm not sure here) have longer life faders, but a new 600 and a new Xone will bleed the exact same amount (none).

In my experience, the faders on the Xone:62 have been much more prone to wearing and even breaking off the PCB tracks under club use.

Probably about a third of the Xone:62's I've played out on (i.e. about 5 or 6 of them) have had at least one knackered channel fader, I've only ever seen one once on a DJM600.

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Originally posted by kimchi your going to have to replace the crossfader. thats what died out on you. http://www.djkit.co.uk/acatalog/crossfaders.html something like that.

I don't even use the corssfader. It's not patched to any channels. This is frustrating.

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Originally posted by CReddick I don't even use the corssfader. It's not patched to any channels. This is frustrating.

your probably using the through settings for the channel fader, but the fader is still bleeding.

sup everyone....

i have a xone rotary..... apparently you should NEVER getting bleeding on the faders (regardless of linear or rotary on the 92) because they are VCA faders.... the sound signal doesn't actually pass through the faders because it is voltage controlled. someone correct me if i am wrong?

- bri

Just thought I'd add some info to the thread...

I've got a Xone:32 and someone was a little rough with the channel 1 upfader. As a result it's fkd and I'm yet to get a replacement part. Seems as though they are fragile parts, after reading Stu Cox's post. On the topic of upfaders, I love the feel and the sound of the xone:32 and xone:62 faders. The faders on the xone:92 (linear) however, I hate. They are too light and feel awful. Best fader I've ever used? Rane MP/XP 2016a hands down!!

I don't think the filters on the xones are useless at all. You can be very creative with them. Apart from sweeping effects, using the filter as a different method of EQing during transitions is great.

I like the four band EQs on the 62 and the 92 also, but prefer the 32/62 style knobs. Whoever said that you wouldn't be able to benefit from having 4 EQs if you use nearfield monitors is a dumbass. Nearfield monitors are made to be accurate, not loud. There's no way that you would get a nicer frequency response, especially not on a club system and especially not with the acoustics of most clubs.

I've used a lot of DJM 500/600 consoles and the majority of them had noticable channel bleeding.

UPDATE!

Just wanted to post an update to this topic...

I'd isolated the issue to channel fader 3... took the fader cover off and retrieved it's model number. Called Pioneer Electronics and ordered a new fader for $24. Replaced it in about 90 seconds.

All is well, and mixers works good as new.

Re: UPDATE!

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Originally posted by CReddick Just wanted to post an update to this topic... I'd isolated the issue to channel fader 3... took the fader cover off and retrieved it's model number. Called Pioneer Electronics and ordered a new fader for $24. Replaced it in about 90 seconds. All is well, and mixers works good as new.

We have bigger Goldfish to fry now.

Ah, a good old-fashioned mixer bashing. It's OK, it happens to every mixer that is dominant at the moment. The DJM-600, a perfectly good mixer, was the target of some misguided and ill-informed bashing for a long time. Looks like we have a new king! Long live the Xone:92!

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Originally posted by Trogdor Ah, a good old-fashioned mixer bashing. It's OK, it happens to every mixer that is dominant at the moment. The DJM-600, a perfectly good mixer, was the target of some misguided and ill-informed bashing for a long time. Looks like we have a new king! Long live the Xone:92!

I wasn't bashing the Xone:92... I was "bashing", if you want to call it that, ALL Xone mixers, and not some misguided and ill-informed bashing. This is after hands on use.

And I didn't start this as a debate, as I previously post, it's just my opinion.

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Originally posted by Rememberence_ I've got a Xone:32 and someone was a little rough with the channel 1 upfader. As a result it's fkd and I'm yet to get a replacement part. .

i'm not sure of how the xone's are made, but i had this debate in the ecler thread a few weeks back. i may be wrong, but it sounds like they use the same manufacturing process of a solder bath, and you'll pobably be able to fix it just by reheating the solder so it 'remakes' the connection. Worth a try atleast, before buying parts

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Originally posted by skot_e but i had this debate in the ecler thread a few weeks back.

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