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Originally posted by metalgearsolid I am surprised that no one has mentioned about having a gay sibling. Do any of you have a gay sibling? Do any of you really know a homosexual? I disagree with all those who say, "they might be looking for sexual gratification," when in fact they were actually born that way. A person's sexuality does not unable them to be responsible caring parents.

I have a few gay friends and I work with several more. I never meant to insult their character or how they would raise a child. I think some of them would be much better parents then a "straight" couple. However, I think that at times heterosexuals are drawn to sex for reproduction. I don't see that happening with homosexuals.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Yeah, I kinda gotta agree with that. Most of the time people might just be looking for sexual gratification, but I do think there is a "mating to reproduce" instinct as well. I'm not sure if homosexuals have a "mate to reproduce" instinct when they're []Insert Euphemism Here[/].

Ah, well in that case, isn't it strange that the "natural" evolutionary path we've been led down has created PLEASURE when we have sex?

The chemicals in your brain and the systems in your cock need to trick you with pleasurable neuroimpulses?

Well, Mr. Heterosexual, I guess nature is only a word used to describe things that further your own opinions, and lead you into the socially-programmed virus that is your personality.



Don't think too hard, you might break.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Ah, well in that case, isn't it strange that the "natural" evolutionary path we've been led down has created PLEASURE when we have sex? The chemicals in your brain and the systems in your cock need to trick you with pleasurable neuroimpulses?

I was going to mention this, after NeoPhono posted, but your too quick for me.

There really is no argument for the "Natural" instinct of sex. It's science now, and not so much psychology (We still have a long way to go with understanding emotions, don't get me wrong). The theory (Now fact) of our bodies being an electro-chemical machine, has changed the way we think. A serial killer, when killing can produce the same types of chemicals that a normal would when having sex. Is it the same type of emotion? No, even though the serial killer may "Get off" on that type of stuff, it is certainly not the same emotion a normal person would get when having sex. Chemically speaking, do homosexuals produce the same types of chemicals when having "sex"? Yes. But there the reproductive instinct cannot be in play, because the body knows that you are having sex with the same sex, and there is no possible way for you to reproduce with that person. Even if you imagine yourself having sex with the opposite sex, I doubt such a primitive, basic, and strong instinct can be fooled.

But who knows, in 20 years, we might discover something in the brain that destroys everything we thought was right in the present.

Okay, maybe I'm not being clear.

Desires for sex.

1) Pleasure

2) To have kids.

Some people want to have sex to have kids, and I think even if we didn't know the science behind it, there would still be that instinctual desire to have sex in order to reproduce (besides just for pleasure). Sure that's a non sequitor because there's no way we can possibly know if people who have no idea what sex is biologically have a desire to do it soley for reproductive purposes, but hey, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers I was going to mention this, after NeoPhono posted, but your too quick for me. There really is no argument for the "Natural" instinct of sex. It's science now, and not so much psychology (We still have a long way to go with understanding emotions, don't get me wrong). The theory (Now fact) of our bodies being an electro-chemical machine, has changed the way we think. A serial killer, when killing can produce the same types of chemicals that a normal would when having sex. Is it the same type of emotion? No, even though the serial killer may "Get off" on that type of stuff, it is certainly not the same emotion a normal person would get when having sex. Chemically speaking, do homosexuals produce the same types of chemicals when having "sex"? Yes. But there the reproductive instinct cannot be in play, because the body knows that you are having sex with the same sex, and there is no possible way for you to reproduce with that person. Even if you imagine yourself having sex with the opposite sex, I doubt such a primitive, basic, and strong instinct can be fooled. But who knows, in 20 years, we might discover something in the brain that destroys everything we thought was right in the present.

Ah, yes, I had neglected the serial killers.

So what about masturbation?

If we're going to break this down, let's *really* break it down.

As far as I know, both heterosexual and homosexual peoples masturbate... but wait!

Masturbation doesn't seem to promote any sort of agenda for this strange and imaginary psychological side-effect we are labeling "reproductive instinct", which would lead me to believe that our so-called "reproductive instinct" is one-and-the-same as our chemical urge to fuck, which we've decided we need to be tricked into doing via pleasure in the first place.

So, as long as we're here, is masturbation "unnatural"? Surely you masturbate.

Oh my, the Christian Orthodoxy will be most displeased!

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Okay, maybe I'm not being clear. Desires for sex. 1) Pleasure 2) To have kids. Some people want to have sex to have kids, and I think even if we didn't know the science behind it, there would still be that instinctual desire to have sex in order to reproduce (besides just for pleasure). Sure that's a non sequitor because there's no way we can possibly know if people who have no idea what sex is biologically have a desire to do it soley for reproductive purposes, but hey, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

So, a form of pleasure is masturbation and a fact of that is 90% of all males masturbate the rest lie.

I am going to have to go on a hunch here but I bet most males want to have sex just for pleasure the other one is an accident. But, I bet it is an instinct because if males knew what children do, there will have to be something else for sex other than reproducing.

Damn children ruin a womens figure and once that is gone it won't ever be the same. And many females put their children first before the male that is why males get upset. They won't be having the amount of sex they want, all what they have to do is masturbate.

We can make all the posts about the reasoning behind sex be it reproduction or pleasure, or both. The reality is that we need look only at the design of a Man and a Woman to see what that sex is all about. Wehther they are seeking to produce a child or not all higher life forms engage in female/male sex for reproduction in nature. It is obviously a natural design. Whether one masturbates, is homosexual or is a serial killer none of that will bring about what nature expects, a reproduction of the species unless an egg is fertilzed by a sperm. Heterosexual Reproduction is the base of human llfe no matter what one turns out to be later on in their sexual life, preference, etc.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy I have shared an apartment with one for two years. It's never been an issue. I also have a gay friend from college and my girlfriend has a few gay friends.

Same here, and I like Djing at gay clubs or gay freindly clubs when I get the itch to play housey disco cheese.... besides the occasional gay man buying me a drink, I have fun. Plus gay friendly bars are the place to go when you do not want no one mad dogging you or cock blocking you cause the girl you are with is HOT!! ha ha

I have no issues with them, matter of fact my best bud is gay. Its kind of benificial to have a gay man around, especially since most gay men have no issues telling you to your face that what you are wearing, smelling like and manners can do for improving.
Kind of like my own personal "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid So, a form of pleasure is masturbation and a fact of that is 90% of all males masturbate the rest lie. I am going to have to go on a hunch here but I bet most males want to have sex just for pleasure the other one is an accident. But, I bet it is an instinct because if males knew what children do, there will have to be something else for sex other than reproducing. Damn children ruin a womens figure and once that is gone it won't ever be the same. And many females put their children first before the male that is why males get upset. They won't be having the amount of sex they want, all what they have to do is masturbate.

But you just utilized the same thing nature does to us. Sex is pleasurable but it is supposed to be to make us want to do it. We have visual, sensual, smell stimulis that make it appeal to us. That is however the intention of nature, to make us want to do this thing that feels good. So most males may want sex for pleasure but nature doesn't care if a child is produced that is success.

THe second part of your post is something that happens across most animal species Where the mother devotes extensive care to her young. That is why it would behoove a woman to find a father who would stick around and not be a deadbeat to her and her child. Hence women seek out different qualities in men than men do in women. That whole emotions thing that women love.

Kind of going off of what NYC said, you have to question why we do things "instinctually." Most of the things we do on the count of instinct have some kind of tangible reward or consequence. I think eating is probably an instinct, and we do that so we satiate hunger. We drink to satiate thirst. Pretty much everything we do because of instinct some how brings about a positive change or at least alleviates a negative state.

Now, you can say that sex is fun and that's why we have it. However, "instinctually" that makes no sense. Sex would then serve no real biological purpose, which I would argue our instincts are there for. However, if you look at sex as an instinctual reaction to reproduce, where pleasure is the reward, then I think it does make sense to call it a reproductive instinct.

Going back to my original assumption, I would even go as far as to say that there are times with this drive to reproduce is a conscious process.

Right, but by the looks of things many women are not good at choosing the right partner.

Anyways, I wouldn't blame the males for leaving, I mean why stay with the child and the women who will ignore you sexually.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Going back to my original assumption, I would even go as far as to say that there are times with this drive to reproduce is a conscious process.

Its just that as humans and the way our brains have evolved we tend to think above that, Lions, Alligators, Dogs all take queue to mate during certain times of the year. Humans are capable of turning away from or repressing that desire i.e Nuns, Priests , well supposedly, etc. Is it a coincidence that a woman is more fertile during her menstruation cycle, Its that unlike animals in the wild we as humans tend to view things from a different standpoint as to our natural urges, we all know however that behind closed doors it can be quite the opposite . No animal in the wild would turn down sex and the chance to spread its genes, then yet again nature usually removes the weak from even being able to do that through disease and death.

P.S. T-1.5 hrs until the World Cup, Go Team U.S.A.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan We can make all the posts about the reasoning behind sex be it reproduction or pleasure, or both. The reality is that we need look only at the design of a Man and a Woman to see what that sex is all about. Wehther they are seeking to produce a child or not all higher life forms engage in female/male sex for reproduction in nature. It is obviously a natural design. Whether one masturbates, is homosexual or is a serial killer none of that will bring about what nature expects, a reproduction of the species unless an egg is fertilzed by a sperm. Heterosexual Reproduction is the base of human llfe no matter what one turns out to be later on in their sexual life, preference, etc.

Excellent, I'm glad we arrived at this point.

I think we can now assume that the "homosexual agenda" does not actually exist, but is rather YOUR agenda on an opinion that you're trying to promote for god knows what reason.

So what is the reason, anyway?

PS: They did a double blind study recently of homophobes and people who were secure with their sexuality; they showed them all gay pr0n and straight pr0n. Guess which percentage (between the one's comfortable with themselves and others vs the closed-minded ones who don't realize what indirect bigots they are) had an overwhelming majority who were arroused by the gay pr0n?

You guessed it, it's you!

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Excellent, I'm glad we arrived at this point. I think we can now assume that the "homosexual agenda" does not actually exist, but is rather YOUR agenda on an opinion that you're trying to promote for god knows what reason. So what is the reason, anyway? PS: They did a double blind study recently of homophobes and people who were secure with their sexuality; they showed them all gay pr0n and straight pr0n. Guess which percentage (between the one's comfortable with themselves and others vs the closed-minded ones who don't realize what indirect bigots they are) had an overwhelming majority who were arroused by the gay pr0n? You guessed it, it's you!

Okay, no offense dude, but you're putting a lot of words into people's mouths. First you said something to me about how I said (which I didn't) that heterosexuality was the "natrual" course of actions, now you're not only telling NYC that he thought there was a "homosexual agenda" but that he's a "homophobe."

I don't think anyone has any problems with you calling out people for what they have said or have done, but please don't make things up or leap to huge conclusions that don't exist. We're having a debate on sexual choices, and you're turing it into some sort of personal attack on personal stances that aren't even there.

Maybe I missed it, but why hasn't anyone mentioned that humans aren't the only species of animal with homosexual members? Do those other animals, with their extensive thought processes also choose to be gay or straight?

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Excellent, I'm glad we arrived at this point. I think we can now assume that the "homosexual agenda" does not actually exist, but is rather YOUR agenda on an opinion that you're trying to promote for god knows what reason. So what is the reason, anyway? PS: They did a double blind study recently of homophobes and people who were secure with their sexuality; they showed them all gay pr0n and straight pr0n. Guess which percentage (between the one's comfortable with themselves and others vs the closed-minded ones who don't realize what indirect bigots they are) had an overwhelming majority who were arroused by the gay pr0n? You guessed it, it's you!

Seriously guy you come off as an utter jerk in your assumptions about what my beliefs are. Not that I need to explain myself to you in the first place but for the rest of this board I have nothing against any homosexual individual on this earth, why. There are much more significant aspects of life to focus on than such a subject matter. As NeoPhono stated you only make yourself look stupid by sitting behind your keyboard and commenting about homosexual agenda and calling people homophobes. All I can say to you is get a life for making such a stupid assertion. The only one with an agenda seems to be you in your post and you ought to be called out for it, the Stupid Agenda of assertions and jumping to conclusions where none exists about an individuals beliefs and values. I would like for you to take the time and post exactly where I made a homophobic statement or asserted any agenda on behalf of the anti-homosexual homophobes.

P.S. I find your comments disgusting and lacking in understanding my true beliefs about others in this world we live. My statements are related to the Topic "is the heterosexual lifestyle a choice?" Maybe you need to read that topic title again clown before you label people and expose yourself as a first rate jackass. Yes I'm pissed off for being labelled something I find deeply distasteful, hating another person. Get your facts straight.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Okay, no offense dude, but you're putting a lot of words into people's mouths. First you said something to me about how I said (which I didn't) that heterosexuality was the "natrual" course of actions, now you're not only telling NYC that he thought there was a "homosexual agenda" but that he's a "homophobe." I don't think anyone has any problems with you calling out people for what they have said or have done, but please don't make things up or leap to huge conclusions that don't exist. We're having a debate on sexual choices, and you're turing it into some sort of personal attack on personal stances that aren't even there.

In reality he is doing exactly what people who are homophobic and full of hate engage in, the labelling of others to make themselves feel better about the issuse under discussion. I could only be left repulsed that the guy somehow drew some conclusion that I was a homophobe. I find any hatred of another human being who has not wronged you or disrespected you to be repugnant at best, but that is what happens when one jumps to false conclusions and has a narrow minded focus about an issue and wants to make a quick point.

I deal with others as individuals and don't give a shit if they're gay or mormon or uptight. I can tell however that this guy and me would not get along because he is ready to launch into branding people as soon as he sees fit, blissed ignorance is what I call it.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Maybe I missed it, but why hasn't anyone mentioned that humans aren't the only species of animal with homosexual members? Do those other animals, with their extensive thought processes also choose to be gay or straight?

Which is why I made this post below earlier prior to being labelled a homophobe and a homosexual in the same breath, It might be best left to assert that people are what they are just like those animals are as well and just let be what is. None of them made some choice and it was driven internally because that is what they identifty with for varying reasons. That's what makes us unique as individuals.

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With that stated I also doubt people simply choose to be gay as well, if they really are gay and not some bi or whatever we have today in this world. I say that because I could never imagine myself being gay, that leads me to believe that something deep within the mindset of someone who is homosexual lends them to be that way.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby So what about masturbation? If we're going to break this down, let's *really* break it down. As far as I know, both heterosexual and homosexual peoples masturbate... but wait! Masturbation doesn't seem to promote any sort of agenda for this strange and imaginary psychological side-effect we are labeling "reproductive instinct", which would lead me to believe that our so-called "reproductive instinct" is one-and-the-same as our chemical urge to fuck, which we've decided we need to be tricked into doing via pleasure in the first place.

Masturbation could be considered a homosexual incident, yes? Think about it. We orgasm from touch, a man's touch, sure we think about women (And men, for the homosexuals), but your own manly hands do the stroking. SO I guess I understand that chart, now.

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So, as long as we're here, is masturbation "unnatural"? Surely you masturbate.

Too bad, I never said anything was "unnatural". In my first post, I said that homosexuals might be acting on different instincts. And yes I masturbate, everyone does.

Dude, the best prevention of migranes is masturbation. Us men get migranes like no other because women do nothing but bitch all day.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Dude, the best prevention of migranes is masturbation. Us men get migranes like no other because women do nothing but bitch all day.

source?

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Originally posted by Marc Summers Masturbation could be considered a homosexual incident, yes? Think about it. We orgasm from touch, a man's touch, sure we think about women (And men, for the homosexuals), but your own manly hands do the stroking. SO I guess I understand that chart, now. Too bad, I never said anything was "unnatural". In my first post, I said that homosexuals might be acting on different instincts. And yes I masturbate, everyone does.

Mwahaha, touchE!

You're absolutely right, you didn't say anything was "unnatural".

Glad NYC touched on the purpose with his reply. What isn't, and what is unsaid through words, often get said through other mediums that we seem to pick up on somehow, as if by a third sense. It's this energy that creates and drives men to progress, and we pick up on and know when someone's heart is driven by good karma, or by fear.

The energy I mainly get these days, and here as well, is one of seperation and an urge for distinction; and why not? This modern world is becoming increasingly complex, and it's getting easier and easier to become lost in the anonymity of the reflections of society all around us.

There isn't an ounce of hatred in my heart, and life seems quite calm that way.

But you tell me; is this thread, and all like it, really about our blanket opinions on sexuality?

Or is it about our human nature to be inclusive and to indirectly alienate and destroy through lack of resourceful understanding of each other via these pre-programmed opinions we hold so important to our stability?

What if we saw it all for what it was?

They're viruses, keeping us inside the box, and we're too wise for that, now aren't we? We're all good people, or believe we are, aren't we? What can we accomplish if we read between the lines?

peace & love,
jay

You are correct no matter how altruistic one may appear to be we are all somehow tinged with a sense of bias on any issue. The issue however lies not with the bias but the ability to draw upon sound reasoning and our ability to be humane in a balanced accord. In nature for example a lion would kill a sick animal for food or as competition. With humans we see a sick animal and would care for it to try and save it or others ( thankfully a distinct few only, would ignore and or beat the animal to death at worst). What this all means in direct terms is that we draw on compassion or resort to our basic instincts as humans in a contextual scenario. One's humanity is revealed by the ability to balance out the two when dealing with the subject at hand, that is where society usually comes into play to influence us. It takes special people to rise above the accepted norms and overcome them as well.

B.T.W. for those reading the earlier posts, I have spoken to DJ Shibby and we have settled the issue at hand in previous posts linked to us.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Maybe I missed it, but why hasn't anyone mentioned that humans aren't the only species of animal with homosexual members? Do those other animals, with their extensive thought processes also choose to be gay or straight?

I remember reading an article about how mallards sometimes commit homosexual necrophilic sexual acts

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan B.T.W. for those reading the earlier posts, I have spoken to DJ Shibby and we have settled the issue at hand in previous posts linked to us.

no one cares I assure you.



in essense we are all products of our environment and upbringing. so no, it's not a choice. for example, i love music so do many other people. what type of music you listen to all depends on you. it's not like you choose to listen to classical, if you like classical you listen to it. if you like cock, than you like cock what can ya do.

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