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Posted by Allen Mueller on Jun-15-2006 03:21:

When ever I see dj's that are local to the area i'm in they seem to have alot of vinyl. Cd's offer a huge convience to international dj's who fly alot. I doubt they care about the cost since at that level you don't reely have to buy records. To me nuthing beats the sound or feel of vinyl.

I agree a more intersting question would be when will cdj's die. They are very popular now but are being surpased by what can be done with laptop. I think the future will be things like the Maven, serato, final scratch, and mixers like the x one 3d or any of the other mixers out there that interface with a computer.

I personally skipped getting cdj's and went with serato. To me its more fun with 1200's and record to touch than jog wheels and butons.

allen


Posted by Slixter on Jun-15-2006 03:37:

Who knows when vinyl will die out? It's been going this way for years. But a friend of mine who's in the business says that it has more to do with the cost of producing vinyls than anything else. Records are made from crude oil and at $85 a barrel the records are becoming too costly to produce for such a small segment of the population who buys them (DJs, collectors, etc.). Unfortunately, the music business is built around money and sales and not the art that we like to think it is. In the end it's the labels bottom line that counts for everything and when they aren't selling enough vinyls to cover the cost of manufacturing, they'll axe the media altogether...save for maybe some promos they'll give to the big name vinyl DJs.


Posted by Spirit5 on Jun-15-2006 03:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Allen Mueller
When ever I see dj's that are local to the area i'm in they seem to have alot of vinyl. Cd's offer a huge convience to international dj's who fly alot. I doubt they care about the cost since at that level you don't reely have to buy records. To me nuthing beats the sound or feel of vinyl.

I agree a more intersting question would be when will cdj's die. They are very popular now but are being surpased by what can be done with laptop. I think the future will be things like the Maven, serato, final scratch, and mixers like the x one 3d or any of the other mixers out there that interface with a computer.

I personally skipped getting cdj's and went with serato. To me its more fun with 1200's and record to touch than jog wheels and butons.

allen


Well I think it's a manner of preferance, but I don't see CDJs dying for another 10 years or so. I think the what will probably replace CDJs is hard drive based systems that aren't laptops but are similar looking and functioning to CDJs. They will have small LCD screens and removeable hard drives where DJs can swap hard drives and play off of those. Kind of like the new Numark thing, but of course made much better and utilizing some functions of Serato, without the need to lug a laptop around, that might get broken. Rather everything will be stored on a small portable hard drive...that's what I feel will replace CDs. I'm just making this up, but who knows..


Posted by SPAWNmaster on Jun-15-2006 05:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Spirit5
Well I think it's a manner of preferance, but I don't see CDJs dying for another 10 years or so. I think the what will probably replace CDJs is hard drive based systems that aren't laptops but are similar looking and functioning to CDJs. They will have small LCD screens and removeable hard drives where DJs can swap hard drives and play off of those. Kind of like the new Numark thing, but of course made much better and utilizing some functions of Serato, without the need to lug a laptop around, that might get broken. Rather everything will be stored on a small portable hard drive...that's what I feel will replace CDs. I'm just making this up, but who knows..


i agree 100% with what spirit said...the way trends are with technology is that it will be a very intuitive shift the way these things are implemented especially in DJ technology....so like for example we might start seeing fusions of the new numark hard drive thing that spirit mentioned in combination with pio's dvj-x1...


Posted by Foecunditatis on Jun-16-2006 21:26:

some international dj dont play vynil not becoz they dont want to, but the risk taking it out, sandy rivera lost his records bag twice in the airport, and most of them, immagine u lost ur vynil bag.. i lost once, and feel i rather lost my turntable. thats why most inter dj prefer to bring small amount of vynil so it they can take it with them!!


Posted by skot_e on Jun-17-2006 13:57:

No vinyl, no CD... what the hell are record companies going to put on the wall in their offices?


Posted by Freak on Jun-17-2006 16:38:

A shrine with a big picture of a gold hard drive of course


Posted by Fearless One on Jun-17-2006 16:39:

quote:
Originally posted by skot_e
No vinyl, no CD... what the hell are record companies going to put on the wall in their offices?



mp3s


Posted by Aquarian on Jun-18-2006 17:08:

CDJs will take awhile to die out. Carrying a binder full of CDs is still somewhat lighter than carrying a laptop around - and I don't know about you but I feel safer knowing I've got backup copies on my HD at home so if something happends to that binder, I don't have to spend thousands of dollars to buy a new one - just get a new bundle of CDrs and spend one boring afternoon re-burning all the tracks. That's the advantage of CDrs over mp3s - they're disposable, and expensive laptops aren't. Vinyl is less popular because, not only is it expensive to produce and to purchase, but it's fragile and very inflexible. Digital format is taking the edge because it can be transfered from one medium to another with the touch of a button. CDs will probably die out eventually.. but it won't be for a very long time, and it won't be because of mp3s.


Posted by Nemesis44 on Jun-18-2006 19:09:

You never know how this will pan out.
Vinyl has been dying out for almost as long as I have been a DJ.

When CDs first came out, nobody even though of them in terms of DJing but the commercial music industry had everyone believe that CDs were both inderstructable and superior in sound quality... horseshit as we have all learnt.
The only thing that really suffered from the introduction of the CD was the pre-recorded audio cassette.

As far as I see it, vinyl will be around for a while yet, and by the way things tend to go, if it did get phased out it would probably make a comeback due to the image and credibility it would give a DJ.

Digital works well.
Will we see CDs phased out, probably not for a long time, the simple reason being that not everyone wants to use a laptop. A question of preference really.

Nem


Posted by Hobby DJ on Aug-11-2006 01:45:

Big name DJ still use Vinyls in their home states. I dont think it will die out for a long time.


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Aug-11-2006 02:11:

as long as we keep buying vinyl they\'ll keep making it. whether the top jocks use it or not isnt all that important, we\'re the ones that make the labels\' profits.


Posted by razzi on Aug-11-2006 02:13:

i hope vinyl never dies..

in all honesty though, being a poor kid in the USA with a limited vinyl selection and limited funds, digital has been sounding better and better.. i am thinking of going 80% cd now (which would have been blasphemy to me 2 years ago)


but, when i do play out, i love going with my record case, 50% vinyl 50% cd. (i can never get used to this laptop business- as cool as it is, it feels too fake).


*sigh* who knows. just take it one step at a time, there is no definitive future, remember?


razzi.


Posted by razzi on Aug-11-2006 02:15:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
as long as we keep buying vinyl they'll keep making it. whether the top jocks use it or not isnt all that important, we're the ones that make the labels' profits.



unfortunately the bigger labels are making more money from online/cd releases as the production cost is minimal compared to pressing 1,000 records.

vinyl definitely wont die. in a few years i bet some 'trendy' producer will release exclusively on vinyl to show how he remains true to the culture.

hell if i was a famous producer i'd do that now. (c) razzi 2006


razzi.


Posted by D-res on Aug-11-2006 04:06:

Not long

I have been a vinyl junkie since i first stood behind a pair of decks, but now that I might be getting a roomate who has CD decks, ive taken the plunge and started purchasing mp3s. if anything, its so much more economical, although let me be the first to admit that I love how vinyl feels and I love the genuine feeling of spinning rekkids so I dont think Ill ever stop, just slow down.


Posted by mnemonic. on Aug-11-2006 05:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Demoted


All he did was the robot dance the entire time, he didn't even need the other cdj or mixer. All he needed to "dj" there was one cdj plugged into some speakers and the inability to do the robot. And he definitely doesn't need Ableton.


unfortuneately, us EDM people just arent as skilled when it comes to those hip hop guys when it comes to mixing, or playing a 4 or even 8 beat loop while some guy talks over it...

damn those 4 beat loops, shit is so complicated, God Forbid we had to play an 8 beat loop or even worse, a track thats constantly changing with different elements and sounds of it being added in or removed.



LOL'z


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Aug-11-2006 08:39:

quote:
Originally posted by MikeyN
unfortuneately, us EDM people just arent as skilled when it comes to those hip hop guys when it comes to mixing, or playing a 4 or even 8 beat loop while some guy talks over it...

damn those 4 beat loops, shit is so complicated, God Forbid we had to play an 8 beat loop or even worse, a track thats constantly changing with different elements and sounds of it being added in or removed.



LOL'z

Yeah, because mixing two tracks with an identical beat is really fucking hard, right?

Dunce.


Posted by Allen Mueller on Aug-11-2006 11:01:

A long time

I'm sure vinyl will be around for a long time to come. Just look at the setup pictures thread. Plenty of people still with turntables still buying vinyl.


Allen


Posted by T-Soma on Aug-11-2006 11:41:

I love vinyl and buy it whenever I get the chance. Digital purchases are good in terms of not having to worry about the hole it leaves in your wallet or the other few problems vinyl may bring (stylus wear, skipping) but who doesnt love throwing on a nice 12" and watching it spin as the beat is just pumping away.


Posted by mnemonic. on Aug-11-2006 12:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Yeah, because mixing two tracks with an identical beat is really fucking hard, right?

Dunce.


nope its how i learned beatmatching, start playing them offset and then slowly bringing them together


Posted by dark _entity on Aug-11-2006 15:43:

most of the promos nowadays are coming out on mp3s, a lot of producers release the stuff via the web, mp3s are becoming more and more fashionable, simply because there is not need to pay for production of the vinyl, you don't have to cut out a lacquer master, or pressing the record, and most producers don't have to pay the s&h charges. however mp3s will never be the same quality as vinyl, a lot of djs are jumping on the new bandwagon by switching to either 100% cd or a mix of both cds and ssl or fs2, personally i've tried ssl and i got to admit its a really amazing peace of software you can do pretty much anything on ssl as you would on vinyl including mixing, scratching, beat juggling. last time i've seen tiesto spin in toronto he played on thing but cdjs so did markus shultz, johan gielen, and christopher lawrence. as for vinyl going out of style, it will probably happen eventually every single product has its life cycle, and as the market reaches its maturity stage, its bound to hit the sales decline stage hence the product reaches its final and last stage that�s when most of the manufactures decide to drop the product simply because they don't find it profitable


Posted by dark _entity on Aug-11-2006 15:47:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Intrigue
Ditto for scratch and hip-hop dj's as well.


SSL from Rane does the trick


Posted by Protege on Aug-11-2006 18:28:

Vinyl, hopefully, wil never die. Its just too damn cool. I love getting home and there is a package full of new tracks to play waiting for me.


Posted by Allen Mueller on Aug-11-2006 18:29:

SSL

I have SSL, and first used it with the vinyl, now I have cdjs. I like it better with the cdj's. The accuracy is amazing.

Allen


Posted by Vero on Aug-11-2006 18:55:

i've said it before and i'll say it again. look at all the different formats that vinyl has survived. vinyl will probably never truly die. records will be here with 4 cockroaches after the apocalypse.


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