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Originally posted by weymouth Nah it wouldn't work if you made it a rave type of culture with a ton of people dancing, dark lights, and the music pumping. That type of venue is all about losing control and yourself to the music, something that is in direct opposition to most organized religions. However, I do feel that a lounge/coffee shop type of youth group(not in church) get together would work with edm playing. That would allow people to talk about the music, listen to the music, but at the same time allow for a youth group type of sermon to happen. If you want to try it though you have to be realistic about it, adding a bible verse during a breakdown isn't creating "Christian Trance." Most EDM is about worshipping the music, not to spread the message of the gospels.

Good advice as far as the Bible verses go. I had actually already thought of that a while ago but you just reminded me. Also, I wish I could include a pic of my church. On Sunday morning it resembles a club more then a church. the pastor always has the lights off during service. we have 6 very very large video screens and about 100 grand worth of color / intelligent lighting (including black/neon lights). during the song service a rock band plays and on the screens they play "semi-trippy" videos of water and mountains and such with Bible verses or the lyrics to the song over them....it really isn't what you would picture a church to look like. Actually, in this area there are about 4 or 5 other churches that match this description as well. Way more clubby then churchy to start with. The pastor wears jeans a t-shirt 1/2 the time...but the message is rock solid and that is really all should matter...

Even though I'm not a particularily religious person it just doesn't feel right to me. A church is not a place to hold parties in.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Even though I'm not a particularily religious person it just doesn't feel right to me. A church is not a place to hold parties in.

I appreciate your feedback.

Forms of music like hip hop or rock have vocals in them. Trance does not. People accept christian rock or hip hop mainly because the music carries a holy message. What holy message would EDM carry ?

Eastern religions like Hinduism infact have a tradition of playing trance music and dancing inside the temples. That music is trance inducing.

Repetative utterances of the name of God accompanied by rhythemic drum beat induces a physical state of trance. The goal here is to increase devotion towards God by creating an extraordinary personal experience which is hard to recreate any where else.

The modern trance music does not induce any physical state of trance. It's end purpose is entertainment. It is hard to justify on any grounds why one would want to play this type of music in a church.

AQUAGEN - WHY ARE YOU SO QUIET !


man if you play this the preacher will be like BABABA BANANNANANAN NA NA NANANANNANANNA AN NA A




AND GOD SAW THE PEOPLE GOING CRAAAAAAAAAAAZY

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Originally posted by Sykonee I'm just wondering who's going to be the first to throw out a Faithless quote.

Ill do you one better; BT - ESCM = Electric Sky Church Music.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit AQUAGEN - WHY ARE YOU SO QUIET ! man if you play this the preacher will be like BABABA BANANNANANAN NA NA NANANANNANANNA AN NA A AND GOD SAW THE PEOPLE GOING CRAAAAAAAAAAAZY

lol!

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Originally posted by Omega_M Forms of music like hip hop or rock have vocals in them. Trance does not. People accept christian rock or hip hop mainly because the music carries a holy message. What holy message would EDM carry ? Eastern religions like Hinduism infact have a tradition of playing trance music and dancing inside the temples. That music is trance inducing. Repetative utterances of the name of God accompanied by rhythemic drum beat induces a physical state of trance. The goal here is to increase devotion towards God by creating an extraordinary personal experience which is hard to recreate any where else. The modern trance music does not induce any physical state of trance. It's end purpose is entertainment. It is hard to justify on any grounds why one would want to play this type of music in a church.

I agree and I disagree. When I listen to trance driving down the road or working at home I often find myself praying or talking to God in my head sometimes in praise sometimes in frustration whatever...The feeling that I get from worshiping on a Sunday morning and the feeling that I get dancing are very close. I'm aware of the use of trance type music in Eastern religions and I understand the importance of not trying to mix those religions with Christianity. I've witnessed people in "trance like states" lifting there hands and praising God to the point where sometimes they even pass right out on the floor in the middle of church. Actually, at my old church this was a common sight on Sunday mornings...this was a very traditional non-denominational church whose pastors were all in there late 60's to 70's...

Personally, each time I enter into a state of worship I feel like I'm in a trance. A trance where I am focusing on God and / or addressing issues inside myself through prayer...

for me the music is a tool. my mind seems to run a little faster and more complexly then most other people that I meet (not saying thats a good thing either) and sometimes I have so many different thought processes running that I forget to take time to pray. Listening to this music seems to help me focus or calm me allowing me to concentrate on the one thing that really matters to me. now, I'm not at all saying that I pray mostly when I listen to Trance because that's not the case at all. It's just sometimes it helps me focus. And that fact alone is the reason that I believe that it can be used for church related activities.

again thanks for your feedback...this is exactly the kind of stuff I wanted to hear!

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Originally posted by RapidFire Ill do you one better; BT - ESCM = Electric Sky Church Music.

that is one of my all time favorite CDS. i remember buying it at the age of 12 the day it was released. i just listened to it yesterday in my car on the way to work. BT is the man and I'm pissed that I missed him 2 weeks ago here in Detroit after the Movement Festival. I was a vendor at the festival and I had to stay late to clean up missing his show at Blue. )-:

I used to spin during game time at my youth group. After a while everybody opened up to it. It was really nice to actually show some teenage americans what real edm is.

I hope you succeed man, cuz this fight is a hard one. So many people associate clubbing with drugs, sex, and alcohol (even the clubbers themselves,) that it's hard as crap to get Christians to open up to it. Just make sure to rock out some quality tunes for 'em. Good luck!

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Originally posted by iammesol I used to spin during game time at my youth group. After a while everybody opened up to it. It was really nice to actually show some teenage americans what real edm is. I hope you succeed man, cuz this fight is a hard one. So many people associate clubbing with drugs, sex, and alcohol (even the clubbers themselves,) that it's hard as crap to get Christians to open up to it. Just make sure to rock out some quality tunes for 'em. Good luck!

Thanks for the words of encouragement! Its nice to know somone's got my back (-:

tenshi?

what about tenshi? ... gouryella - tenshi?

Hi,
the idea is cool however there's a big probability that you will be misunderstood by many people and it wouldn't feel good at all..

Besides, there are some things(lets call them concepts) that come with this electronic music thing such as alcohol, smoking ect. For me those do not matter at all, I'm only for the music but guess what? There are certainly some people out there who relate such concepts so closely in their minds to "electronic dance music" so from their point of view you will have done something agaist religion.

If I were you:
I would do the church trance thing, but not in a church.. (well I'm not so sure)

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Originally posted by Dj Ahter Hi, the idea is cool however there's a big probability that you will be misunderstood by many people and it wouldn't feel good at all.. Besides, there are some things(lets call them concepts) that come with this electronic music thing such as alcohol, smoking ect. For me those do not matter at all, I'm only for the music but guess what? There are certainly some people out there who relate such concepts so closely in their minds to "electronic dance music" so from their point of view you will have done something agaist religion. If I were you: I would do the church trance thing, but not in a church.. (well I'm not so sure)

i think im starting to agree. the reason that i created this post was to help me try to decide what the best coarse of action would be and i keep hearing the same thing in one regard. and thats to have it outside of a church setting. at least as a start. and i hear you big time on the being misunderstood thing too. ive already experienced that first hand on several occasions. but i really don�t let it discourage me. i know what i feel needs to be done so...ill try to do it as best as i can.

thanks for the feedback

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Originally posted by djrodimus what about tenshi? ... gouryella - tenshi?

play the original piece tenshi was based on... Vangelis - Light & Shadow, perfect for church.

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Originally posted by Nell play the original piece tenshi was based on... Vangelis - Light & Shadow, perfect for church.

seriously? i dont think i have that track...well i will in a sec lol

-thx

Do you have any experience promoting? The first step is to get some large place backing you, such as a city school with a large campus. Once you gain a key part of a town, you gain others' trust, both teens and adults. The second, is to get every church involved, to make it the "cool" place to go to. Once you get the church kids going, they will bring their friends, and you'll have a great Christian bash going on in a local environment. In my city we had this go on a couple of years ago, and everybody came. To build on this, usually you'll have to get some carnival stuff, such as a rock wall or blow up stuff. If it becomes mainstream, make sure you have the talent to put on a good show. It sounds impossible, but trust me, it can be done, and it has been done.

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Originally posted by djrodimus [emule] <<< -thx

BAN

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Originally posted by iammesol Do you have any experience promoting? The first step is to get some large place backing you, such as a city school with a large campus. Once you gain a key part of a town, you gain others' trust, both teens and adults. The second, is to get every church involved, to make it the "cool" place to go to. Once you get the church kids going, they will bring their friends, and you'll have a great Christian bash going on in a local environment. In my city we had this go on a couple of years ago, and everybody came. To build on this, usually you'll have to get some carnival stuff, such as a rock wall or blow up stuff. If it becomes mainstream, make sure you have the talent to put on a good show. It sounds impossible, but trust me, it can be done, and it has been done.

Sound advice. Actually i have a lot of experience promoting. like 10 years almost. Only thing is that it has been in a club / warehouse type setting mostly and the parties I threw back in a day could never be associated with church! )-: but all of your suggestions are good. most of which i have done. i have the support of about 2 or 3 churches at this time as well as a few dozen kids. but that�s bout it. oh actually there are some very old school djs in the city (Detroit) that support what im doing as well. regardless of their religious views. i was given a free vendor space at the Detroit electronic music festival this year for my company to sell my cds and t-shirts because of one of these djs. i sold 50 copies of my cds at 10 bucks a pop and about a dozen shirts. ive already gotten 1/2 dozen emails back from kids that bought my cds asking where they can buy more and when am i coming out with some new stuff. and right now Digitally Imported is reviewing my latest cd and I'm pretty sure it's gonna get played in the Trance channel...I hope (-:

He's Got The Whole World In His Hands (Tiesto's In Search Of A Priest Remix)

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Originally posted by Nell He's Got The Whole World In His Hands (Tiesto's In Search Of A Priest Remix)

OMG ive never heard that either! getting now. thx!

Nicol Sponberg - Resurrection (Gabriel & Dresden mix)

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence Nicol Sponberg - Resurrection (Gabriel & Dresden mix)

got that one last week. the lyrics are cool but i really dont like the music all that much. and im a huge Gabe and Dres fan...

The Church nightclub in Denver, CO.. a sic club!

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