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Originally posted by all-nite-freak A dancefloor doesnt care about technicalities.

Indeed. They care about the DJ, as the surrogate to the music. And that's where the problem lies.

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak The dj still controls these aspects of any event, and lets face it the vast majority of dj's today do not accomplish this on a regualr enough basis.

For what it's worth, it's doubtful that even 90% of the top DJs even know how to do this either. They just play the sappy tunes with the sing-a-long melodies, fake the rest, and their immortalization is secured.

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak im no fanboy, but any dj that can keep me on the floor for 12 plus hours and have me afraid of going to piss because i'll miss something deserves respect.Even winamp cant do that without repeating

If you need a DJ to keep you on the floor for 12+ hours, you're probably dancing for the wrong reasons.

I started this thread to get some new names. I have. I'll take more new names too. DJs I don't know are likely to expose me to new tracks and sounds I might like. That's what DJs do, present me tracks in an entertaining way. I also don't mind being reminded of someone good that I haven't thought about in a while. Any further ideas welcome. Will have to check out preach and some other names mentioned here.

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Originally posted by paulandrews This is beyond humanity. When PvD spins a Marc van Linden tune and I go crazy hearing it on a party, how can I fully realize that I�m loving it right now just because MvL spend some time making the track? And if I could realize this at that very moment, should I stop dancing, just because PvD spins it or what? Of course, the dj stands there, who else should take the credit during his gig? Saying the opposite completely destroys the whole idea of djing.

That's not the question you should be asking. The real question is: If a no-name local played that exact Marc van Linden track earlier in the night, would you give him just as much credit? Would you dance just as hard?

Your praise is misplaced. Go for the music or go for the DJ. Not both.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Not both.

why?

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Originally posted by G-Con I like seeing certain DJ's because they play the tunes I want to hear. If they consistently play the tunes I want to hear over a number of times that I see them then I will look forward to seeing them in future.

It is not hard to find a local DJ who consistently plays tunes that you like to hear and whom no one else has heard of. In any major city there are 100 DJs with discographies that rival Armin's. Or anyone elses.

Should you really have to go out of your way to get attached to some guy on the other side of the world simply for the name factor? Or are you just lazy and you don't feel like heading out and discovering music for yourself?

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Originally posted by paranoik0 why?

I explained this already.

If you go for the music, then who's playing it is largely irrelevent and for the purposes of self-inflicted fun, probably preferable that he remain anonymous; the party aesthete draws no attention to him. The DJ is a means to further the music. Not an end in himself, which is what's wrong with the state of trance today--you people have erronously replaced the music with the DJ. Ignore him, and take solace in the comfort that the music is always there and it is always on and he is always playing it. The rest is your playground.

If you go for the DJ, then what he plays is immaterial and inconsequential, for it will be something you've never heard before, delivered in a form that has never been done (theoretically). The music thus becomes a means to showcase his talent and skill, and becomes a tool that he weaves into a tapestry of speed, finesse and trickery.

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Originally posted by Danny Ocean you're like a fucking loop going on about the same bullshit over and over again. "stop DJ worshiping, it's the tunes that matter", "Trance died in 92, all trance now is crap", whatever, we get it already. Not to mention you have a whole section on your site dedicated to Z-Trip. Hypocrite.

"what's the matter kyle, do you have sand in your vagina?"

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Originally posted by Ishkur That's not the question you should be asking. The real question is: If a no-name local played that exact Marc van Linden track earlier in the night, would you give him just as much credit? Would you dance just as hard? Your praise is misplaced. Go for the music or go for the DJ. Not both.

Well, you�re fighting against something that can�t be beaten. People have emotions, feelings, they are not robots. When a dj plays tunes you like, he usually becomes your favourite one (and yes, just because he spins some music you like as well). If he�s your favourite, then you like him. If you like something or someone, you can�t help yourself and you act exaggeratedly, in some form of bias. That�s human and that�s completely ok. You can�t remove the dj (well, you could but imagine that - people standing and dancing against an empty dj-booth, while a prerecorded mix is playing) from the party, he�s influentual to the crowd as a person.

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Originally posted by Ishkur I explained this already. If you go for the music, then who's playing it is largely irrelevent and for the purposes of self-inflicted fun, probably preferable that he remain anonymous; the party aesthete draws no attention to him. The DJ is a means to further the music. Not an end in himself, which is what's wrong with the state of trance today--you people have erronously replaced the music with the DJ. Ignore him, and take solace in the comfort that the music is always there and it is always on and he is always playing it. The rest is your playground. If you go for the DJ, then what he plays is immaterial and inconsequential, for it will be something you've never heard before, delivered in a form that has never been done (theoretically). The music thus becomes a means to showcase his talent and skill, and becomes a tool that he weaves into a tapestry of speed, finesse and trickery.

Yet you didn't really answer my question. I already know what happens when we go for the music, and when we go for the dj. So why can't we go for both, in the case we already know the dj will play music that fits our taste? In fact how can you go for the music without beforehand having some knowledge of the dj, or at least suspecting he might play something good? Isn't this giving importance to the dj already?

I agree the focus is too much on the guy who plays others' music, and that tons of unknowns are as good as hyped superstars. But is it impossible to listen to good stuff, mixed with talent and skill? Cause that's what you seem to be claiming.

Personally I don't give a fuck anymore about technicalities, about how stellar that beatmatching was or how that guy managed to mix 10 records at the same time. I go for the music, it's just that i'm too picky with it so, in order to listen what i like i need to follow the guys who play what i like. Without worshipping them.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Love the DJ. Love the music.

but yet if we love the music the dj is playing we get accused by u of dj worshipping sorry but u talk bullshit alot of the time

Donald Glaude is probrably my favorite DJ if I had to pick one. Other favorites of mine are Christopher Lawrence, Chris Liberator, Mark EG, Misstress Barbara, DRC, Johan Gielen, D.A.V.E. The Drummer, and Yves Deruyter. I think all these DJs are capable of amazing sets and I have no problem going way out of my way to go hear them.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Apparently you don't, since you completely miss the point of what I'm talking about each and every time......it seems I need to repeat myself because slow people like you have trouble grasping such concepts. Like, for instance, this. There's no hypocrisy here. Loving the DJ and loving the music is like Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle (ie: you can observe the particle's position or you can observe the particle's velocity. You can't observe both). There are moments for appreciating the DJ's worth and value. And there are moments for enjoying the music, but not the DJ. I love Z-trip for his skillset, his technique, and his "everything but the kitchen sink" approach to songcraft. But I don't worship the music he spins. Quite frankly, he plays a lot of really cheesy, leftfield pop tunes which I respect for having the brass ones to play them, but I don't ever enjoy them external from his set (I'm talking stuff like zydeco, country/western and polka). The problem specifically with trance music--although it is a problem in other scenes but not to any alarming extent that trance music has taken it--is that you've got these lines crossed, so that the DJ *IS* the music. Which is beyond audacious, it's absolutely insulting. It's like saying the New York Yankess *ARE* baseball. That the DJ is a reaplacement for your appreciation of music. Love the DJ. Love the music. Pick one.

i don't have a problem with grasping your simple overused concepts. It dosen't take an MBA to understand what you're constantly saying. My point is its getting old and thats all your little mind talks about, but i guess your life isn't so extensive, so i understand why you talk about the same shit over and over again. Get out more and live a little.

As for trance, i don't listen to it so i don't care if its gone down the shithole, therefore your views on music are completely worthless to me. Secondly, i choose to love both, i don't have to pick one, why limit my night out experience when i have both my sight and hearing senses working. Obviously i will enjoy DJs that play the music that i like. When a DJ i like plays somewhere, i'll go see him because i know he'll play music i like (no shit right?). DJs and music go hand by hand, like wine and cheese, why just love one when you can love both? Don't be so small-minded.

But you can go ahead and just pick one, have fun with that.

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Originally posted by Azz3D "what's the matter kyle, do you have sand in your vagina?"

nah dude, it's just pretty pathetic of him to not be able to get over himself and his worn out remarks. Someone has to say it, and judging by this thread a lot of people agree.

Picotto

Im no DJ worshipper. But i must admit the tunes Tiesto and Jon O'Bir are playing (especially Bir) are right up my street just now. They are probably the only DJ's ive went to see in the last couple of years who are playing new tunes in every set more or less. Oh and yeh their tracklists are different from "every other trance DJ out there".

Ishkur you are an idiot. Unlike you, when the rest of us go out clubbing (do you even go clubbing?) we enjoy seeing certain DJ's cause they play tunes we like. We enjoy the night because of this. So then if someone says to me "What was X DJ like," I say "Yeah really good, really enjoyed his set." I appreciate the producers for the music they've made and I appreciate the DJ for playing these tunes in a decent structured set, and giving a charismatic performance whilst doing so which all adds to the night. So I enjoy music and DJ. As mentioned before, they go hand in hand.

I've only been posting on this forum for a week or two and already you stand out as talking bollocks all the time.

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Originally posted by chrisxanthus Donald Glaude is probrably my favorite DJ if I had to pick one. Other favorites of mine are Christopher Lawrence, Chris Liberator, Mark EG, Misstress Barbara, DRC, Johan Gielen, D.A.V.E. The Drummer, and Yves Deruyter. I think all these DJs are capable of amazing sets and I have no problem going way out of my way to go hear them.

nice list! thx. Keep 'em comin'

tomas haverlik

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Originally posted by IcyLogik tomas haverlik

good call

Mark Sherry for me; can't get enough of his track selection or his productions.

hi chrisxandus that Donald Gaude was the shizznit. Got him at miami music fest etc and listened. Dayumn. Any more recs like that?

Erol Alkan. Consistent brilliance and resourcefulness in digging out gems new and old and mashing together some unlikely bedfellows in total harmony.

Ishkur, I would like to see your points of view apply to the warehouse-style tech house raves we go to. I have followed this topic with interest and find your arguements weak in regard to worship. It seems you are pissed with the shitty culture of the Top 100 DJ poll being packed with producers and shit DJs like PvD and Tiesto who people know and feel safe with. Three words of advice...

Get.Over.It.

chris liberator
joof
gayle san
logic bomb
ben katana ( local dj )

basically djs who play the music i like and the way i like.

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Originally posted by teknomonki Erol Alkan. Consistent brilliance and resourcefulness in digging out gems new and old and mashing together some unlikely bedfellows in total harmony.

Man his Essential Mix was serious badassery! I need to hear him more, both recorded and in the flesh. He does rock.

Oh he's the boy alright! He does (fairly) regular Podcasts you can find the link on his website. Took the roof off 1st time I saw him with Rage Against the Machine "Killing in the Name of".

Twas a special moment...

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