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i got a receipt from this place and it still said 7 % tax~! I mentioned it to me and then they gave me a free pack of gum~! lol chew those taxes away folks!

Classic GST line heard


Here's your coffee sir....and oh...I almost forgot your 1 penny change. Enjoy your GST TAX CUT SIR

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Originally posted by b4k-oz Classic GST line heard Here's your coffee sir....and oh...I almost forgot your 1 penny change. Enjoy your GST TAX CUT SIR

yep, exactly

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Originally posted by b4k-oz Classic GST line heard Here's your coffee sir....and oh...I almost forgot your 1 penny change. Enjoy your GST TAX CUT SIR

what a joke.

Take my penny and fix our public healthcare.

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Originally posted by Matt what a joke. Take my penny and fix our public healthcare.

that will require a lot more than just money. Why cant people understand this fact?

^^^ yeah, for sure...

but what are they saying this stupid 1% cut will do...put 9 billion "into the pockets of Canadians" or some figure like that?

big f'n deal. per capita it's a lot...but it's so ridiculously disporportionate to those who consume more.

IMHO, that 9 billion could do a a lot more good if the gov't used it to fund useful programs or apply it directly against our debt (I'd find it fascinating to see a study that compared the long-term impact of applying the current 1% and future 2% cuts in GST to the debt each year instead of cutting the GST vs. reducing the GST)

targetted tax cuts/incentives would have been far better, IMHO...but of course wouldn't sound as good come election time.

I can confidently say that I would be happy to forfeit my 1% GST savings if the gov't put that money to better use.

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Originally posted by MarkT I can confidently say that I would be happy to forfeit my 1% GST savings if the gov't put that money to better use.

You and your friends should get together and donate your tax savings to a cause you care about.

In the meantime, stop confiscating other people's money!

I'd love to see an organized initiative on the part of charties to encourage people to do that...it's a great idea...they could release some sort of basic calculation on what the average middle to upper income earner will save and ask them to donate that sum to charity.

personally, rather than a cut in GST, I'd rather see income tax cuts, incentives, threshold changes, etc.

Then people can decide to do with their increased take-home earnings...save/invest or increase their spending...rather than the gov't decidind that we have to spend to realize savings.

does that make sense? savings at the source > savings at the register?

again, I'll use my example that a guy buying a luxery car doesn't need to save 1%...when you can target tax cuts/incentives towards the lower and middle classes, it benefits those who more need tax relief.

but what sounds better to voters come election time..."we upped the threshold of the 2nd tier income tax bracket by x dollars!" or "we cut the GST by 1%!"

few, including myself, will actively *complain* about a GST cut...I just think they could have been more productive about it if they're willing to forgo that much tax revenue (and even more when it's cut a further 1%)

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Originally posted by MarkT I can confidently say that I would be happy to forfeit my 1% GST savings if the gov't put that money to better use.

good then put your money where your mouth is and donate it to charity...

otherwise i dont believe u

^^^ LOL

Tell you what...over the next year, I'll donate ~$500 to various charities and post the freakin' receipts for you That should more than cover 1% in GST that I can expect to save on goods and services.

if a referendum was held on whether or not the GST would be cut, I swear on my own life that I would have voted against it in favour of putting an equivalent sum to another use (such as debt pay down, targeted income tax relief, or a wortwhile program...hell, even a well thought out and executed national day care program which I will never personally make use of myself or at least more than the pathetic $1200 the CPC is "showering" upon parents of young children!)

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker You don't have to pay GST on the purchase price of a used residential home.

sweet! but i still have to pay G.S.T on real estate fees.
150 dollar savings! w00t!

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Originally posted by MarkT ^^^ LOL Tell you what...over the next year, I'll donate ~$500 to various charities and post the freakin' receipts for you That should more than cover 1% in GST that I can expect to save on goods and services. if a referendum was held on whether or not the GST would be cut, I swear on my own life that I would have voted against it in favour of putting an equivalent sum to another use (such as debt pay down, targeted income tax relief, or a wortwhile program...hell, even a well thought out and executed national day care program which I will never personally make use of myself or at least more than the pathetic $1200 the CPC is "showering" upon parents of young children!)

That 100 bucks a month per child is more than the LIberals were going to spend on their system. I was listening on the radio during the election and some dude had done the math and figured out the LIberal plan was 23 bucks a month per child.

So uh... they're both pathetic. Don't have a kid if you can't afford it. We have the pill, we have condoms. Use them bitches!

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agreed 100% on your last two sentences...as having children is a CHOICE...a *life* choice. It's costs a LOT of money to raise kids and if you're not prepared to make sacrifices to do so, or are not in a financial position to give them a decent life, DON'T HAVE KIDS.

but how the heck did this guy come up with 23 bucks a month if it's a subsidized day care program?

I think (and I have NOT done the math) that he's probably looking at the dollar value of what the Liberals would have spent and just divided it by the estimated # of kids out there...which is NOT how a national program would work if you make spots available on an 'as requested' or 'as needed' basis.

I bet he's not factoring out all the parents who's kids are not in daycare, who don't need/ask/want the help, who have a parent at home, etc. etc. whereas the CPC plan just doles it out to everyone (correct?)

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Originally posted by Jayx1 that will require a lot more than just money. Why cant people understand this fact?

...because as you claim you've already accumulated $5, so clearly pennies do count, and yes money will fix healthcare, as well as leadership that represents the people.

We all understand this quite clearly.

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 ...because as you claim you've already accumulated $5, so clearly pennies do count, and yes money will fix healthcare, as well as leadership that represents the people. We all understand this quite clearly.

you dont just throw money down the toilet when the toilet is broken. And thats what we keep doing by increasing funding toward the broken medicare system.

The system needs to be overhauled, only then can we talk about increased funding. Until then, dont waste my money please.

Just curious. Does the GST rollback effect the amount I will get on the GST rebate cheques that I receive?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 you dont just throw money down the toilet when the toilet is broken. And thats what we keep doing by increasing funding toward the broken medicare system. The system needs to be overhauled, only then can we talk about increased funding. Until then, dont waste my money please.

let's go, as the CON's will, to the American system?!?!

the fact that we have excellent, healthcare at our whim renders your claim that it is broken, incorrect. At least we have a functioning health care system available to all....blah blah wait times....cop out.

There are a signifigant amount of very commendable acheivements to our healthcare system. This system which you claim is simialr to a toilet, boasts many top 10's in majour, worldwide hospital rankings.
The system is not broken, it works.

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 let's go, as the CON's will, to the American system?!?! the fact that we have excellent, healthcare at our whim renders your claim that it is broken, incorrect. At least we have a functioning health care system available to all....blah blah wait times....cop out. There are a signifigant amount of very commendable acheivements to our healthcare system. This system which you claim is simialr to a toilet, boasts many top 10's in majour, worldwide hospital rankings. The system is not broken, it works.

You're blinded by your anti-Americanism. Look to Europe (and other Western countries) for working mixed models.

By the way, I challenge you to name 5-10 cures, vaccines, or major discoveries made in Canada since the public healthcare monopoly was thrust on us.

Canadians no longer innovate in the area of healthcare (or in many other areas for that matter).

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf You're blinded by your anti-Americanism. Look to Europe (and other Western countries) for working mixed models.

+1000

i'd rather they didn't cut the meaningless 1% and didn't fork over 12 billion military!! and pull us out of Afghanistan while we're at it, maybe then Canada could start earning back some credibility, instead of dragging it down the same dead-end US path...

how about throwing some of the money back into incentive programs to fix the environment, instead they pull us out of Kyoto! ugh

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 let's go, as the CON's will, to the American system?!?! the fact that we have excellent, healthcare at our whim renders your claim that it is broken, incorrect. At least we have a functioning health care system available to all....blah blah wait times....cop out. There are a signifigant amount of very commendable acheivements to our healthcare system. This system which you claim is simialr to a toilet, boasts many top 10's in majour, worldwide hospital rankings. The system is not broken, it works.

you obviously dont use the health care system much. Hopefully you nor your family wont ever have to.

Even sweden, the bastion of socialism, gave up on sole state run medical systems a decade ago in favour of a universally accesible MIXED private and public system. The only countries in the world that have our system as it stands are ourselves, north korea and cuba. (same goes for many of our broadcast laws as well btw)

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Originally posted by TranceGeek i'd rather they didn't cut the meaningless 1% and didn't fork over 12 billion military!! and pull us out of Afghanistan while we're at it, maybe then Canada could start earning back some credibility, instead of dragging it down the same dead-end US path... how about throwing some of the money back into incentive programs to fix the environment, instead they pull us out of Kyoto! ugh

when our military cant even send its own outdated equipment into a battlefield i think its time to put a little money into it. At this point if we had a major disaster IN OUR OWN COUNTRY wed have to call in the US marines. And im not joking either. Want to keep canada a sovreign country? Make sure your military is at least maintained well which we have not done in over a decade.

Youd think the anti americans amongst us would be happy that we are trying to get back some of our sovereignty by having our own military instead of relying on americans. But no, they dont see it that way do they?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 when our military cant even send its own outdated equipment into a battlefield i think its time to put a little money into it. At this point if we had a major disaster IN OUR OWN COUNTRY wed have to call in the US marines. And im not joking either. Want to keep canada a sovreign country? Make sure your military is at least maintained well which we have not done in over a decade. Youd think the anti americans amongst us would be happy that we are trying to get back some of our sovereignty by having our own military instead of relying on americans. But no, they dont see it that way do they?

right, earn some sovereignty back by buying 8 billion worth of Boeing aircraft form US... in the world's eyes it makes us look like we're begging to be US's friend...

pitiful

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf You're blinded by your anti-Americanism. Look to Europe (and other Western countries) for working mixed models. By the way, I challenge you to name 5-10 cures, vaccines, or major discoveries made in Canada since the public healthcare monopoly was thrust on us. Canadians no longer innovate in the area of healthcare (or in many other areas for that matter).

So, what did Canada invent before public healthcare in the medical profession? I tried googling and found a few items. Besides, insulin, pablum and pediatric research, mobile blood tranfusion unit, and surgery for epilepsy, what has Canada done?

http://www.craigmarlatt.com/canada/...inventions.html

Cures and vaccines are in the hands of large corporations that hold all the patents. That doesn't leave much, does it?

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Originally posted by MarkT I'd love to see an organized initiative on the part of charties to encourage people to do that...it's a great idea...they could release some sort of basic calculation on what the average middle to upper income earner will save and ask them to donate that sum to charity. personally, rather than a cut in GST, I'd rather see income tax cuts, incentives, threshold changes, etc. Then people can decide to do with their increased take-home earnings...save/invest or increase their spending...rather than the gov't decidind that we have to spend to realize savings. does that make sense? savings at the source > savings at the register? again, I'll use my example that a guy buying a luxery car doesn't need to save 1%...when you can target tax cuts/incentives towards the lower and middle classes, it benefits those who more need tax relief. but what sounds better to voters come election time..."we upped the threshold of the 2nd tier income tax bracket by x dollars!" or "we cut the GST by 1%!" few, including myself, will actively *complain* about a GST cut...I just think they could have been more productive about it if they're willing to forgo that much tax revenue (and even more when it's cut a further 1%)

As a trained economist (myself included), Harper should've lowered income taxes and RAISED the GST if need be. Everyone knows that reducing consumption taxes vs. income taxes is the wrong way to go, but since the Liberals initiated the income tax reduction, he would go the opposite route.

Also, what sounds more appealing to a voter, a GST or income tax cut? It just sounds so much more appealing to the voter to have a GST cut, yet it's the wrong approach to the economy.

As for Jayx1, I agree that the military should get their funding but your justifications are so off base. You have to get your head out of Harper's ass before you can see what reality is.

If Canada is subject to a disaster, we would call in the Marines? Ever heard of Hurricane Katrina? FEMA and their government response was pitiful.

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