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Unless a city has a historic quarter or has been around for hundreds of years, ALL modern major cities relatively look the same. Only the architecture varies from city to city. Canadians in general are hard pressed to prove they're 'not American', and the Quebecois are even more pressed to prove they're not Canadian. I'm American, but what 'makes' me an American, really? What makes a Canadian? A German? A Dutchman? Who cares really?? Do stereotypes or generalizations make up a country? Just live your life, and stop worrying about being different. It's pointless.

Well Said

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Originally posted by Pett

why are you no longer cool?

I'd like to hear more opinions of Quebecers in this thread.

The problem is that French speakers are a small minority of the countrys population and most people who havent even been to the real Quebec (ie not Montreal) not to mention have never lived there, have biased opinions fed to them by the mainstream media. Bill 101 and the entire separatist movement could have easily been prevented if anglos in Montreal hadn't acquired so much power which was extremely unproportional and unfair.
Remember the biggest players in the separatist movement were originally high ranking members of the CANADIAN Liberal Party!

And the bilingualism argument pisses me off. The whole point of the law was to preserve French culture not demolish it.

Im not in love with separatists but there are 2 sides to every story

very well said,
most people dont even realize that lucien bouchard was a liberal at one time.English is spoken by almost everyone in montreal, but leave the island and you will be hard pressed to find those that do.I am not for seperatism, but i think the french have every right to protect their heritage.Imagine the 5% of french speaking torontonians controlling the 95% of english ones for decades.I think that if that was the case, similar language policing would exist there too

If Iran didn't talk about Nukes it would get 5 minutes of time on the world stage.

Quebec gets plenty of time on the canadian stage (just for laughs, cirque de soleil, Celine Dion etc.) Their use of the "language" card effectively doubles their time on the canadian stage.

While both culture and language are real things, Quebec's use of the "language" card is as genuine as the Iranians use of the "nuke" card.

Notwithstanding bill 101 is the best named bill ever

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak dude, stick to politics in your own province.

...oh we dont want him talking his conservative politics here either.

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Originally posted by Subey If Iran didn't talk about Nukes it would get 5 minutes of time on the world stage. Quebec gets plenty of time on the canadian stage (just for laughs, cirque de soleil, Celine Dion etc.) Their use of the "language" card effectively doubles their time on the canadian stage. While both culture and language are real things, Quebec's use of the "language" card is as genuine as the Iranians use of the "nuke" card. Notwithstanding bill 101 is the best named bill ever

Iran being compared to Quebec?? mmkay

And just curious, how many of you actually speak French fluently?

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Originally posted by mikester69 Iran being compared to Quebec?? mmkay And just curious, how many of you actually speak French fluently?

Je peux parler fran�ais super bon!

There are two basic stages where performances are held. Locally and on a super stage (formed of multiple local groups). Ottawa gets a free pass to the canadian stage. Everyone else has to do something to get on there.

Canadians are the world's leading professionals in the use of the stage. The easiest proof of this is to think of when was the last time a canadian mayor was on the world stage? Think Torino olympics

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Originally posted by mikester69 Iran being compared to Quebec?? mmkay And just curious, how many of you actually speak French fluently?

I speak and write French fluently, in fact when I am surrounded by french speakers or culture I start to think in French

I am from Quebec, and as a Montrealer I love the bilingualism! I've been fortunate to speak both languages since I was capable of speaking. I lived in Montreal for 26 years. Most people I know feel so fortunate to be bilingual, and really embrace the European feel that Montreal has.

If the signs don't bother Quebecers, then why should they bother you. Not only that, read this excerpt:

The OLF is also puzzled about Mount Royal's decision to paint over the English words. It thinks the city overacted. "They could have erected these signs in both French and in English as long as the French is predominating," said OLF spokesman Gerald Paquette.


Doesn't that mean the signs can be in both languages?!

I live in Mount Royal.
And to be honest, I could really care less.

Does anyone actually read the little "Rd." or "Rue" on a street sign anyways? If I'm following directions to get somewhere in TMR, will my decision really be based on the prefix that follows the street name to guide me?

No.

Who cares, get over it.

This is just an uproar by the English media over something completely insignificant. The only reason the mayor didn't fight it is because the legal costs and headaches associated with the fight did not compare to the cost of just blackening out the english section.

Life goes on.

Ive been to France twice...

There are bilingual signs everywhere. Stop signs say STOP, not an "arret" to be seen anywhere. And KFC (kentucky friend chicken)
is actually called KFC, not PFK!! (poulet frit kentucky)

Is france americanized?

mais non!!!

Id say that france is still pretty french to me.

The quebec sign law is born of nothing more than a radical sense of self conciousnous. It is inexcusible for ANY government to be dictating what language should be where.

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak dude, stick to politics in your own province.

canada is my country and i have a right to comment on what happens in it. Im just glad they havnt tried to force something like this on us. Although its bad enough that they ram french down our throats as it is. Honestly, being in toronto wed be better off being officially bilingual in chinese or italian than french. Its such a bloated bureaucracy.

They have bilingual signs everywhere in Montreal! Have you even been there? Or are you just trying to argue because you're bored.

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Originally posted by Allegory They have bilingual signs everywhere in Montreal! Have you even been there? Or are you just trying to argue because you're bored.

I know this...but the point here is that in quebec they are trying to force them to take away the bilingual signs to make the place "more french"

Btw just imagine they passed a law here about english. Say that we can no longer have french, chinese or whatever on any signs. I dont think people would be having quite the same reaction would they? Lets just say that accusations of racism would be flying everywhere. Why not the same outrage when its on the other foot?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Btw just imagine they passed a law here about english. Say that we can no longer have french, chinese or whatever on any signs. I dont think people would be having quite the same reaction would they? Lets just say that accusations of racism would be flying everywhere. Why not the same outrage when its on the other foot?

haha, well said! ...

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Originally posted by preppie chick why are you no longer cool?

I was wondering that same shit too! when did that happen??!?! Ive been away too long!

Pett =/ pettiscool

i wanted to tell you guys one thing.

There's no language police, there's no people roaming around the province trying to find violations of the 101 law.

Its an urban legend.

What happens is that someone complains to the OLF and then someone is sent to investigate and try to mediate things out if the complaint is valid.

the last recourse is in tribunals, but usualy it ends mediated and no one ever hears of it.

If you guys could understand French, I would have posted an excellent reportage by Radio-Canada (the other CBC sic.) in Catalonia where they are in the same position in Spain as Qu�bec is in Canada.

They also have language laws, distinct nation and institutions, but there at least Spain gives more autonomy to the province and do recognize its specificity.

And the kicker, the president of Spain actually campaigns with the YES side for more autonomy and have it written in their constitution.

Something we will never witness in our immature federation.

About those "universal" stop signs:

Notice how all these use the "stop" word...











etc etc...

and the reason why the French use "Stop" in France its because its EU standardized.

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Originally posted by malek There's no language police, there's no people roaming around the province trying to find violations of the 101 law. Its an urban legend.

Totally false. Ask around. They have cameras, and are paid employees.

/Long live Dorchester....I'll never call it by any other name.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Totally false. Ask around. They have cameras, and are paid employees. /Long live Dorchester....I'll never call it by any other name.

dude trust me on this one. There's no language police.

cases are opened only after complaints by the public.

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Originally posted by malek dude trust me on this one. There's no language police. cases are opened only after complaints by the public.

I think theres a misunderstanding

There is a language police per se.

No, they dont patrol like a regular beat cop looking for infractions
Yes, they are like bylaw enforcement who sit behind a desk until somebody files a complaint, then they take action.

@ least thats what my french immersion school taught me.

police that don't patrol are not police but bureaucrats.

we can play with words here, but the fact is there's no one from the governement walking around to piss buisneses off like the english media wants us to believe.

jspot, here to practice your french:

here's the reportage about Catalonia:
http://radio-canada.ca/actualite/v2...0_200606.shtml#

another one about the 30th anniversary of the 101 bill:
http://radio-canada.ca/actualite/v2...0_200606.shtml#

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Originally posted by Jayx1 PFK (poulet frit kentucky)

I laughed really hard the first time I saw that. I think it is great, so great I even took a picture of it




ok, sorry for the hijack.. you were saying???

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