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Originally posted by Philby do you know who dave seaman is? or markus schultz? or armin van buuren? they are all pretty big names with big labels...do you know which artists are signed to those labels? and have big selling tunes on those labels?? i'll give you a hint: i may have already mentioned some of them...perhaps trance in australia is not as mainstream popular as in europe...or not as popular in general as in europe. but there is no way you can say our scene is shit...especially edm in general. for the last few years i think you will struggle to find a weekend where there have been no international djs or acts in edm visiting here...australia in my experience has a great edm scene, especially here in melbourne at least, there is always something on somewhere whether you like house breaks or trance. in other states maybe not as big, due to population or culture but again i think in general we here have a great scene. i think you should go out and party more instead of being so negative towards the people who are trying to get somewhere and put us "on the map" as you say...

lol yeah australia has a great dance scene......hardly anyone has heard of chable (i loooove his dream on remix btw).....you dont belive me? oh well, ahve fun living in la la land, but most of my friends in europe dont even know who he is, maybe infusion, but even then, wow, one group....we might get pvd once every 3-4years so hurra for that....tiesto once a year...but look at how many times he visits everywhere else in the world (all big name jocks)...

so what if lawrence and one or two other big names want to live here....prob be a lot more quieter for them if they live here since no-one knows them:P

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Originally posted by Spartan Well, I don't know anyone named "Kid" Kenobi, but old Ben Kenobi lives out beyond the dune sea. He's kind of a strange old hermit.

rofl

LALALALALLA.......... LALALALALLA...

Very few in Australia would know any of the names u guys mentioned. They'd more likely know names like Kid Kenobi and Nick SKitz. They wouldn't know shit all about "OTHER 'TECHNO SHIT' ARTISTS" overseas.

^THIS VERY FACT, SAYS OUR SCENE IS KINDA ISOLATED FROM TEH REST OF THE WORLD.

Fine, Australia might produce one or two artists, but when no-one in Aus knows them, and most of their recognition comes from overseas, it just backs up my point. Your basically just agreeing with me, without realising it.

NO-one thinks of Australia when it comes to EDM. Other country's particularily in Europe, and the USA would come into mind first. AUstrlia, NO. EVERY developed country produces a great EDM producer here and there, but that doesn't mean that because one great producer is FINISH, that EVERYONE WIL THINK THAT THE CENTRE OF TRANCE IS FINALND, and that FINLAND THRIVES ON TRANCE (though it certainly does relative to Australia).

THanks for concurring with what i was saying about the strength of the scene in different parts of the country, i guess we just have differnet definitions of what "Big" and "small" is, atleast we agreed on the relative scale.

The scene is whacked out here, I'm not saying it's non-existant, but it's fucking woeful. Australians don't see clubbing as a big part of their culture, full-stop (bad or good). If I was in Melbourne then i'd probably stop bitching. In Sydney, maybe just once in a while when i'd had too much to drink.

I'm not saying there ISN'T A SCENE. My major point is that it's skewed and bent in it's own little world.

Seriosuly, who the fuck are u people kidding. Next you'll be telling me that the movie industry in Australia is great because it produces great actors....

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter I'm not saying Australia's scene is huge, successful or a major power.

Thankyou

do u notice that the only ppl who could reply as to who Kid Kenobi was, was just Australians first?

okay, okay, i think we have heard enough ridicule of Australian dance music because one idiot doesn't know who Kid Kenobi is. Truth is, I dont like the music he plays, but he is a great jock. If you know where to look ( www.stomp.com.au ) for starters, you'll find the best quality edm out there, anywhere.
I'm 17 years old and I know exactly where to go for it, those who can't track it down (probably a washed up 30 year old who doesn't belong in the scene anymore) are obviously not as musically astute as they thought they would. I hope there is nobody taking offence to this post, however I am bemused that no Australian has brought this up thus far.
Does anybody actually realise the simple factor that has misconstrued this delineation between Australia and the world? Let me reiterate. USA- 260 million in a space around the size of Australia. Europe- hundreds of millions in tightly linked global community. Australia- 20 MILLION IN THE MOST GLOBALLY ISOLATED PLACE POSSIBLE FROM OTHER EDM NATIONS!!! Truth is, people, Australia has an unbelievably good scene, particularly Melbourne and Sydney. However, huuuuuuge parties are not always feasible as they are not commercially attractive enough for the big name jocks to make such a big trip over here.
When there are big events, they sell out, period. In the past few weeks ive seen James Zabiela and Hernan Cattaneo sell crowds out nation wide. If Australia had anywhere near the population of the US or Europe, it would be just as powerful as any other EDM nation.
Infusion, Anthony Pappa, Phil K, Luke Chable, Hellraiser, Nik Fish

For the record, no real EDM fan in Australia listens to Nik Skitz, which is more than I can say for some of the utter trash coming out of Europe atm

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Originally posted by Abhay The Aussie scene is so far removed from the rest of the world, it's not funny.

The most recent quote to be approved on Bash:

(LenaWarrior) Does Australia float around or is it stuck there
(KoreaPro) Are you serious?






P.S. Chable, Phil K, Infusion, Nubreed all = Win.
P.P.S. You guys also have someone going by "Trainwreckah" in your top 250
P.P.P.S. idk who the fk Kid Kenobi is.

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Originally posted by Abhay but that doesn't mean that because one great producer is FINISH, that EVERYONE WIL THINK THAT THE CENTRE OF TRANCE IS FINALND, and that FINLAND THRIVES ON TRANCE (though it certainly does relative to Australia).

...come again?

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Originally posted by ders07 okay, okay, i think we have heard enough ridicule of Australian dance music because one idiot doesn't know who Kid Kenobi is. Truth is, I dont like the music he plays, but he is a great jock. If you know where to look ( www.stomp.com.au ) for starters, you'll find the best quality edm out there, anywhere. I'm 17 years old and I know exactly where to go for it, those who can't track it down (probably a washed up 30 year old who doesn't belong in the scene anymore) are obviously not as musically astute as they thought they would. I hope there is nobody taking offence to this post, however I am bemused that no Australian has brought this up thus far. Does anybody actually realise the simple factor that has misconstrued this delineation between Australia and the world? Let me reiterate. USA- 260 million in a space around the size of Australia. Europe- hundreds of millions in tightly linked global community. Australia- 20 MILLION IN THE MOST GLOBALLY ISOLATED PLACE POSSIBLE FROM OTHER EDM NATIONS!!! Truth is, people, Australia has an unbelievably good scene, particularly Melbourne and Sydney. However, huuuuuuge parties are not always feasible as they are not commercially attractive enough for the big name jocks to make such a big trip over here. When there are big events, they sell out, period. In the past few weeks ive seen James Zabiela and Hernan Cattaneo sell crowds out nation wide. If Australia had anywhere near the population of the US or Europe, it would be just as powerful as any other EDM nation. Infusion, Anthony Pappa, Phil K, Luke Chable, Hellraiser, Nik Fish For the record, no real EDM fan in Australia listens to Nik Skitz, which is more than I can say for some of the utter trash coming out of Europe atm

YOu know why i think we're so far removed from the world?

Telecommunications.

Trance's good stuff pretty much thrives off of the internet. It's hard to know what the good stuff is unless u spend a reasonable amount of time on sites liek Tranceaddict, and listen to samples here and there of recently released tracks.

Now, Australia is a freaking huge country, and originally all telecommunications was government owned.

This means 2 things:

It costs heaps to spread all the lines and cables to other parts of the country (especially in the outback), and these areas have a very low population anyway, so it's not economically feasable for Telstra (the one company that's laying down nearly all of the lines here), to invest in these areas.

Secondly, lack of competition (And yes, the competition is starting to move now), means that the prices of getting the net here remains high.

All of this means that a large section of the Australian population can only get 56K speed internet. The average person here who CAN get broadband internet usually has 256Kb/s with about a 1GB download limit.

Meanwhile, in country's like South Korea it's quiete common for peopel to have 1.5Mb/s connections.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery ...come again?

meh,

i was thinking more along the lines of Darude (who i don't like or anything). Who happens to be way more well known than chable.

but if u like, u can pretend it's you.

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Originally posted by Abhay meh, i was thinking more along the lines of Darude (who i don't like or anything). Who happens to be way more well known than chable. but if u like, u can pretend it's you.

Er... right...

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Er... right...

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Originally posted by Abhay

holy crap.
this thread is getting funnier by the post

And to answer your question:

Kid Kenobi is an Australian DJ who won People's Choice NSW DJ of the Year in 2001 at the Australian Dance Music Awards, and Technics Australian DJ of the Year in 2001-2005. He has been featured in FHM, Rolling Stone, Ralph and Urb and also writes for some music papers, and has done some music production, notably Ministry of Sound Australia's "A Clubbers Guide to the Breaks". Kid Kenobi has played alongside some of the worlds most popular dance music groups such as The Prodigy.

And he looks kinda ghey

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Er... right...

lol...

wat i was saying there was that just because u might produce one or two good EDM artists, doesn't automatically means that EDM is thriving within a nation, or that the country will be seen as a thriving point for EDM and EDM culture (if there is one).

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Originally posted by Abhay DJmag doesn't give a shit about genre's, it just goes purely via popularity.

correct, so why even bring it up?

compare population in europe, USA, asia, etc to Australia. the numbers alone would suggest that no matter how popular a dj is within australia unless they they move to a country with a broader market or has a shitload of money to promote themselves globally chances are not a whole lot of people outside of australia are going to hear about them.

of course the net helps djs get exposure but as stated kenobi isn't exactly playing your garden variety commercial stuff.

i'd encourage you to listen to his sets or even better witness him live to understand why the local crowd respect him.

he could mix the pants off tiest0r any day.

check out the following sometime...
- Kid Kenobi Sessions
- MOS Breaks 03 The Album - Mixed by Kid Kenobi

The guy commands crowds, gets regular gigs at australia's biggest events, and is mixing stuff for a respected label within the industry. Nobody can deny that he's a success in his own right.

why do you even feel the need to "pwn" a dj you've never heard or witnessed before anyway?

i can pwn any dj.
















btw Infusion rocked last week - top class act, can rock the pants off any crowd worldwide.

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK correct, so why even bring it up? compare population in europe, USA, asia, etc to Australia. the numbers alone would suggest that no matter how popular a dj is within australia unless they they move to a country with a broader market or has a shitload of money to promote themselves globally chances are not a whole lot of people outside of australia are going to hear about them. of course the net helps djs get exposure but as stated kenobi isn't exactly playing your garden variety commercial stuff. i'd encourage you to listen to his sets or even better witness him live to understand why the local crowd respect him. he could mix the pants off tiest0r any day. check out the following sometime... - Kid Kenobi Sessions - MOS Breaks 03 The Album - Mixed by Kid Kenobi The guy commands crowds, gets regular gigs at australia's biggest events, and is mixing stuff for a respected label within the industry. Nobody can deny that he's a success in his own right. why do you even feel the need to "pwn" a dj you've never heard or witnessed before anyway?

Hey... listen.... well... read..

i never said Kid Kenobi was shit etc. etc.

I just said that Australia's scene is it's own little island.

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Originally posted by Abhay Thankyou

Thanks for also addressing that I said its not as bad you you claim it is.

With sweeping uninformed statements such as "Outside Melbourne the scene is 0" you just make yourself sound silly.

Yes the scene is not huge in some cities, but it doesn't mean theres not quality out there. Every city has a clubbing scene, in most i'm sure you could find something to tickle your fancy most weeks. And there are some really quality regular nights out there for every genre. The scene isn't shit, its just not widely popular.

Don't make silly sweeping statements and you may be taken more seriously

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter Thanks for also addressing that I said its not as bad you you claim it is. With sweeping uninformed statements such as "Outside Melbourne the scene is 0" you just make yourself sound silly. Yes the scene is not huge in some cities, but it doesn't mean theres not quality out there. Every city has a clubbing scene, in most i'm sure you could find something to tickle your fancy most weeks. And there are some really quality regular nights out there for every genre. The scene isn't shit, its just not widely popular. Don't make silly sweeping statements and you may be taken more seriously

eh, excuse me,

but I haven't found anything of my liking in Brisbane, or the Gold Coast. From talking to other ppl and their experiences, it seems that other than Melbourne, and Sydney, there's not too much out there that would make me think otherwise. Not to mention always hearing/reading about what's happening in the scenes down there.

To me, that's 0 (outside of Melbourne and Sydney).

Ofcourse there's always exceptions every now and then, PVD came to brissy recently, but i'm not gonna pretend that that makes it all OK again.

YEs there's clubs, but the stuff there is just reflective of the isolation of Australian EDM as compared to the rest of the world.

When this conversations started, no-one was really having an intelligent conversation about this topic that we're discussing now. Now that it has started, I might actually be compelled to stop talking casually and engage in an intellectual debate. ie. cutting out the sarcasm/exaggeration.

Jesus.

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK he could mix the pants off tiest0r any day.

so could your mom

and you KNOW its true

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK why do you even feel the need to "pwn" a dj you've never heard or witnessed before anyway?

i was just saying it to stir up some shit, she was pretty hot..

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he sure is an ugly mother ****** tho...

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter Luke Chable Rob Dougan Infusion Nubreed Pendulum Anthony Pappa Steve May Dirty South I think Madison Avenue also had moderate success overseas.

who?

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Originally posted by dj_alfi quote: Originally posted by Trance Nutter Pendulum who?

Serious?

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Originally posted by Abhay When this conversations started, no-one was really having an intelligent conversation about this topic that we're discussing now. Now that it has started, I might actually be compelled to stop talking casually and engage in an intellectual debate. ie. cutting out the sarcasm/exaggeration. Jesus.

that would be a welcome change.

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Originally posted by Abhay lol... wat i was saying there was that just because u might produce one or two good EDM artists, doesn't automatically means that EDM is thriving within a nation, or that the country will be seen as a thriving point for EDM and EDM culture (if there is one).

i haven't said it is thriving, i've said we have a great scene and i am disagreeing with you when you say we have a shit scene. you can't deny the popularity of house and more mainstream commercial house right now. tracks like 'flaunt it' have been going nuts lately. it isn't trance, but it is edm and it is popular and people are going clubbing and going off to it. whether i like the tune or the style it doesn't really matter, i can still find somewhere to have a good time but it shows that there is still a scene here. i don't think we are so isolated now than in the past, the actual distance is probably a logistical problem but the population probably holds us back as well as the overall 'aussie pub' culture which i agree with you on.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi who?

i can't seriously believe that statement when you are on a site called tranceaddict. most people that are into more than strictly trance here would know all of those i reckon, maybe less so the more dedicated ASOT listeners etc but i think you know some of those names...

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