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Originally posted by THE_Chris but the public call 'rubbish'.

Yeah but the sad part is this asot public thinks ATRC is a classic

I don't know why folks are thinking this is going to be just label whoring from Armada.

There'll be plenty of Black Hole on there as well.

where is the tracklist and some of you need to get a label as professional whiners for god sakes

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Originally posted by Phortastic Yeah but the sad part is this asot public thinks ATRC is a classic

How would you define the term 'classic'?

I'm asking because I'm not sure if your post is based on the release date of the track or its quality.

classics are all relative

'ASOT classics' may seem like nothing compared to widely considered 'trance classics' but then the same could probably be said for these trance classics when pitched up against 'edm classics', and so on. i'm guessing the classics will mostly be within the ASOT generation and have a number of tunes from 2003 and 2004, which is fine by me providing it doesn't falsely advertise itself as "the definitive history of trance" or something pretentious like that

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Originally posted by THE_Chris +1 If this has a pile of rare classics on it, then I'll be buying it. If a compilation is good, I dont care who made it. But something tells me this will be shit. A couple of well known classics chucked in with ATRC and other general cheesiness that the record labels call 'classic' but the public call 'rubbish'.

it's pretty easy to estimate what the tl will be like. similar to the 250 episode 'classic' hour:

01. Solar Stone - Seven Cities (Armin van Buuren Remix)
02. Chicane - Saltwater
03. Ridgewalkers Feat. El - Find (Andy Moor Remix)
04. Solarstone - Solarcoaster (Midway Remix)
05. Yahel - Voyage
06. Rank 1 - Airwave
07. Paul Van Dyk - For An Angel (E-Werk Club Mix)
08. Chicane Feat. Maire Brennan - Autumn Tactics (Thrillseekers Remix)
09. Rapid Eye - Circa Forever (R.E. Remix)
10. Above & Beyond Pres. Oceanlab - Satellite
11. Three Drives On A Vinyl - Greece 2000
12. Delerium Feat. Sarah McLachlan - Silence (Tiesto's "In Search Of Sunrise" Remix)
13. Moogwai - Viola (Armin van Buuren Remix)
14. Way Out West - Killa (Orkidea Remix)
15. Tiesto - Suburban Train
16. Sonic Inc - The Taste Of Summer (Fire & Ice Vital Remix)
17. The Quest - C-Sharp
18. Energy 52 - Cafe Del Mar (Three N One Remix)
19. Marco V - Simulated
20. Jonas Steur - Castamara
21. Veracocha - Carte Blance
22. Perpetuous Dreamer - The Sound Of Goodbye (Rising Star Mix)

some people classify these as classics. some don't. quit pretending like your opinion is the standard.

no point bashing the compilation until a tracklisting comes out. it really could go either way. either it will be pretty good or just a re-hash of tunes from the past year or so to make a quick buck.

i'm hoping it will contain older, classic, great tracks that you can't find anymore in CD quality, as well as the usual ASOT-quality tracks to please the Armin-fan boys.

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Originally posted by TOR How would you define the term 'classic'? I'm asking because I'm not sure if your post is based on the release date of the track or its quality.

IMO it cant be labeled classic in terms of quality
There are quite alot other tracks from 2003 which are way more classic than ATRC. Solar Factor - Urban Shakedown or Ride from Chable & Bonnici comes to mind for me.

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Originally posted by Ian a cd is too precise.

for you perhaps, but alot of people disagree, including me. i think modern music should sound precise. vinyl just makes everything sound primitive and old. just my opinion of course, and im aware that this is totally off the topic lol

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle for you perhaps, but alot of people disagree, including me. i think modern music should sound precise. vinyl just makes everything sound primitive and old. just my opinion of course, and im aware that this is totally off the topic lol

It's a more interesting topic than what'll appear on this comp, I wager. Hell, I've never listened to the show, and I can guess a few certainties:

Armin van Buuren - Shivers
Armin van Buuren - Burned With Desire
Perpetuous Dreamer - Future Funland

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Originally posted by Phortastic IMO it cant be labeled classic in terms of quality

That means the track is not a classic for you personally.
I think a track that is remembered and recognized by a large amount of people serveral years after the release date, can definitely be considered a classic.

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Originally posted by TOR I think a track that is remembered and recognized by a large amount of people serveral years after the release date, can definitely be considered a classic.

Dj Sammy - Heaven will be for sure on this comp then

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Originally posted by djmetatron some people classify these as classics. some don't. quit pretending like your opinion is the standard.

Some people are ignorant to the complete history of trance and thus their definition of a classic is, by default, less informed than people with a more complete knowledge.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Some people are ignorant to the complete history of trance and thus their definition of a classic is, by default, less informed than people with a more complete knowledge.

this is true but classics are still largely subjective. a die-hard trance fan circa 1992 could probably put forward a compelling argument as to why the tunes of his era deserve classic status more than those of the 'armin era', but what would be the use? the target audience of a cd like this would probably shun them as outdated, boring, and bearing scarce resemblence to the kind of trance they know

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Originally posted by isoterra the target audience of a cd like this would probably shun them as outdated, boring, and bearing scarce resemblence to the kind of trance they know

I would say people so close-minded have no authority to call anything classic then.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I would say people so close-minded have no authority to call anything classic then.

Sorry, but that's an absurd post. Of course there are more knowledgable people, but that doesn't mean their opinion is the correct one.

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Originally posted by Phortastic Dj Sammy - Heaven will be for sure on this comp then

Heaven is definitely a classic.
The question is.. Is it a trance classic or a pop/cheese classic?

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Originally posted by TOR Heaven is definitely a classic. The question is.. Is it a trance classic or a pop/cheese classic?

Well seeing it was written by Bryan Adams, what would you say?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I would say people so close-minded have no authority to call anything classic then.

having a negative opinion isn't being close-minded

again, subjective. one man's classic is another man's dusty outdated blueprint. just as one man's classic is another man's generic throwaway pop tune. my point is that trance has been segregated into seperate scenes for christ knows how long now and each have their own history with their own classics... not all will agree with eachother and it's pointless preaching from one to another about what their most idolised tunes should be

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Originally posted by Phortastic Yeah but the sad part is this asot public thinks ATRC is a classic

As much as I get disgusted from as the rush comes, it is (or shall be) considered as a classic (sooner or later).

Maybe it is sad yes; but every major trance jock spun it and everyone knows the track; so yeah, it's a classic.

There will always be differing opinions on what qualifies as classic, but I'd agree with System-J that people must have an informed knowledge of the genre before they are qualified to engage in that debate. Someone for whom As The Rush Comes is an "old" track really has no business saying what's classic in trance or progressive as a whole.

Moreover, what gets billed as "classic" since 1999 has as much (or more) to do with marketing as it does with how good or memorable a given production is. For this reason alone, anything deemed classic in the past seven years deserves great scrutiny in such a label.

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Originally posted by miamitranceman Sorry, but that's an absurd post. Of course there are more knowledgable people, but that doesn't mean their opinion is the correct one.

I'm not saying they're correct. I'm saying their opinion is more valid.

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Originally posted by isoterra having a negative opinion isn't being close-minded

Not automatically no, but that isn't what you said. You said they'd discard these tracks because they're outdated and scarcely familiar. How exactly can a classic be outdated? And if someone discards something because it isn't familiar, then they're being close-minded. How the fuck will they ever expand their tastes if they discount anything unfamiliar?

Heh, this is pretty funny. You all seem to debate about what defines a Trance classic, but all I can think of is that the classics I know have all been received well by the Trance fans. Tunes like 'Seven Cities', 'Club Attack' etc. etc. IMO there hasn't ever been a debate about tunes like these. Nope, these tracks were instant classics and nobody thought otherwise. It seems that there are certain gradations now for tracks to be considered as a classic, if you know what I mean.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I'm not saying they're correct. I'm saying their opinion is more valid.

Fair enough...but there's just no need to beat down others for throwing in their two cents about such a subjective topic.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Well seeing it was written by Bryan Adams, what would you say?

silence was also written by sarach mclachlan and its more a trance classic than it is a new age/ambient one.

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