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Originally posted by chi6me8ra I agree that Lebanon allowed Hezbollah control parts of the country, but it looks like a proxy war/conflict (whatever you want to call it) being fought in Lebanon and both sides don't merely look bad. Also, the US government has helped many a terrorist so we aren't that much better.

Very true it is almost like its two countries and Lebanon is getting fucked over by Hezbollah but then again if you look at their cabinent I believe they have 2 or more Hezbollah people (Hezbollians lol?) on it.....so what they are saying is they have 2 people representing the country activly from a terrorist group.

I worry a bit that we will be dragged even further into war along with some other major nations between the conflicts in the Middle East and the situation with North Korea.

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Originally posted by InterMilan31 Very true it is almost like its two countries and Lebanon is getting fucked over by Hezbollah but then again if you look at their cabinent I believe they have 2 or more Hezbollah people (Hezbollians lol?) on it.....so what they are saying is they have 2 people representing the country activly from a terrorist group.

we always have problems with elections that bring "undesirables" to power, don't we... their representing 2 seats in the Parliament isn't the problem, it's the military wing that won't renounce violence.. you know Hezbollah has a civilian aid wing that makes it quite popular with its own citizens...

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Originally posted by Miss Bliss we always have problems with elections that bring "undesirables" to power, don't we... their representing 2 seats in the Parliament isn't the problem, it's the military wing that won't renounce violence.. you know Hezbollah has a civilian aid wing that makes it quite popular with its own citizens...

er yeah here in Italy we finally had a good election

Yes but I was trying to point the blame at Lebanon letting them win 2 seats...really Hezbollah is just a pawn from Iran and I dont want to go into conspiracy theorys but is anyone talking Iran and nukes?

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Originally posted by InterMilan31 Very true it is almost like its two countries and Lebanon is getting fucked over by Hezbollah but then again if you look at their cabinent I believe they have 2 or more Hezbollah people (Hezbollians lol?) on it.....so what they are saying is they have 2 people representing the country activly from a terrorist group.

The Hezbollah represenatives apparently speak for the Shia Muslims (majority of Lebanese), but they are not the sole group in Lebanon. Apparently, many feared the expansion of Lebanon and saw the group as their means to resist...all in all messed up situation with a lot of gray as I said before.

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Originally posted by Miss Bliss we always have problems with elections that bring "undesirables" to power, don't we... their representing 2 seats in the Parliament isn't the problem, it's the military wing that won't renounce violence.. you know Hezbollah has a civilian aid wing that makes it quite popular with its own citizens...

according to something I read on the BBC, Hezbollah provides good social services and health care to citizens

im really wondering here if you are defending Hezbollah a known terrorist group....

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Originally posted by InterMilan31 im really wondering here if you are defending Hezbollah a known terrorist group....

Hell no I just think people should understand there are two sides to every story. If we forever read the same newspapers we will never get both sides and as history has shown propaganda is not a good thing.

i have a degree in russian and eastern european studies and have done a lot of reading on propaganda primarily the cult following of stalin and really believe it's in everyones interest to hear a good amont of what each side has to say. also, despite how hard we try there will always be bias visible in what we read and/or hear. not to sound cheesy but I would like to see world peace, but I'm not dumb enough to believe that will happen any time soon

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Originally posted by Konijn the u.s. should tell palestinians and their sponsors, that it will increase israel's aid for every suicide bombing or attack on israel. it would also demand that all of israel's neighbors recognize it diplomatically and renounce violence.

Yes, because diplomacy with terrorists always worked in the past.

Hamas is a terrorist group - like it or not....they will never stop bombing Israel...not ever.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Yes, because diplomacy with terrorists always worked in the past. Hamas is a terrorist group - like it or not....they will never stop bombing Israel...not ever.

three points:
-- hamas has military and political wings

-- terror is relative. if you kick me out of my house and i stand outside lobbing rocks at you, am i the bad guy?

-- the u.s. has not only negotiated with "terrorists" in the past, they've done far worse...

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Originally posted by Konijn three points: -- hamas has military and political wings -- terror is relative. if you kick me out of my house and i stand outside lobbing rocks at you, am i the bad guy? -- the u.s. has not only negotiated with "terrorists" in the past, they've done far worse...

I see your point...BUT...any group who conducts suicide bombings weekly is a terrorist group and therefore should not be heard only eradicated.

Why is it, no matter what the conflict, people have to remind everyone that the US has aided terrorists...as if it somehow makes their arguement that more valid. I dont condone US actions (in the past) nor do i condone Hamas'.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 I see your point...BUT...any group who conducts suicide bombings weekly is a terrorist group and therefore should not be heard only eradicated. Why is it, no matter what the conflict, people have to remind everyone that the US has aided terrorists...as if it somehow makes their arguement that more valid. I dont condone US actions (in the past) nor do i condone Hamas'.

the reminder wasn't to condemn the u.s. it was that the u.s. operates with whomever serves it's best interests.

eradicating hamas won't do anything to stop the violence. a new group, with a new name and an even more radical agenda will quickly spring up. that's why everyone is in this awful cycle -- the root problems (lack of a viable state, occupation, etc.) don't get solved.

^^^ Yeah, pretty much.

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Originally posted by Konijn the reminder wasn't to condemn the u.s. it was that the u.s. operates with whomever serves it's best interests. eradicating hamas won't do anything to stop the violence. a new group, with a new name and an even more radical agenda will quickly spring up. that's why everyone is in this awful cycle -- the root problems (lack of a viable state, occupation, etc.) don't get solved.

I agree. The US past involvments with this whole subject unfortuantely will ALWAYS keep us involved. There will be no end to this because no country in the Middle East will ever be satisfied with ANY agreement brought to the table. This is because of one of the Seven Deadly Sins..............GREED
Everyone wants too much but is not willing to give. It's a shame. A real damn shame.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03

lol pretty much!

more people died in the name of god than anything else.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2006071...aiwanusmilitary

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Originally posted by colibri http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2006071...aiwanusmilitary

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Originally posted by trancinchink

We so don't need to be stepping on China's toes right now... or ever for that matter.

I don't think we know what we're getting ourselves into. We don't have enough forces to even entertain having problems with Iran, North Korea, and China all at once, along with our dealings in Iraq. *sigh*

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Originally posted by Konijn the reminder wasn't to condemn the u.s. it was that the u.s. operates with whomever serves it's best interests.

Nick, welcome to the "real" world....like it or not that is how the world works and there is no changing that.

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Originally posted by Konijn eradicating hamas won't do anything to stop the violence. a new group, with a new name and an even more radical agenda will quickly spring up. that's why everyone is in this awful cycle -- the root problems (lack of a viable state, occupation, etc.) don't get solved.

To me it doesnt seem like Hamas is the big problem in this mess but Hezbollah is. It is quite obvious that Iran and Syria are waging a proxy war through Lebanon using Hezbollah. If you ask me i think Iran is doing this cus they think we (the US) are stuck in Iraq and they can destroy Israel without much interference.

Hezbollah is sending rockets into Israel and Israel is defending itself - period.

I agree.

I don't think the U.S is ready to intervene yet, beside Bush is all about diplomacy now.

In my own personal opinion, I think war is inevitable, people will always fight for different issues, thus said. Countries in the middle East, where religion and territory means so much makes it even a more delicate situation to handle. Sooner or later people start throwing bombs.

If the U.S intervenes, what do you think will happen? And we all know where gas prices will go...

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Originally posted by InterMilan31 Well Lebanon is to blame for allowing Hezbollah to occupy most of the south of Lebanon is it not? To me they brought this on to themselves.

How do you figure this? The Hezbollah militia is larger than the Lebanese security force. They don't "allow" Hezbollah to occupy the south. They have no choice.

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