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and to add on, i can just imagine a "face control" training session - those huge door guys sitting in way too small desks in a classroom, with notepads and pens ready to take notes, and the the instructor projects this video onto the screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDeWJqKx3Y0 :

quick question: im going to be in NY for PvD and i just got tickets for the sander k show on the 18th. i was wondering what im going to be able to get away with wearing for this (sander) show? i really dont wanna have to wear a button down shirt and dress shoes. would khakis, t-shirt/polo, and sneakers suffice?

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Originally posted by BearOwsley quick question: im going to be in NY for PvD and i just got tickets for the sander k show on the 18th. i was wondering what im going to be able to get away with wearing for this (sander) show? i really dont wanna have to wear a button down shirt and dress shoes. would khakis, t-shirt/polo, and sneakers suffice?

hey, last time i went to an 18+ in crobar on a friday (hernan cattaneo a couple of weeks ago) i wore black jeans, my black asics sneakers, and my "house music - it's a spiritual thing" t-shirt....felt very comfortable and had no problems at all

yeaaa, screw the button-down world

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Originally posted by 4clubber hey, last time i went to an 18+ in crobar on a friday (hernan cattaneo a couple of weeks ago) i wore black jeans, my black asics sneakers, and my "house music - it's a spiritual thing" t-shirt....felt very comfortable and had no problems at all yeaaa, screw the button-down world

excellent. thats what i wanted to hear, thanks.

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Originally posted by BearOwsley quick question: im going to be in NY for PvD and i just got tickets for the sander k show on the 18th. i was wondering what im going to be able to get away with wearing for this (sander) show? i really dont wanna have to wear a button down shirt and dress shoes. would khakis, t-shirt/polo, and sneakers suffice?

ur outfit sounds good, actaully BETTER than what other ppl would wear...if ur shirt has a collar, its good.

It seems like crobar is going all Clubplanet on us in August so i wouldnt be surprised if there was NO dresscode, esp. for 18+ Im sure you will be fine.

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Originally posted by kid nyce especially when "Chelsea" is in the news Jennifre Moore (18+ er's saying how its the place to be lol) http://search.nydailynews.com/searc...59%3A59&x=0&y=0 If you read the print article, it is severely different than the publicized articles online. The print articles do a really good job of saying by quoting teens under the age of 21, that Chelsea's 27th and 28th street are the places to be. How being a part of that crowd is where all the fun is at. They even go as far as mentioning how the streets are littered with people throwing up and walking out completely trashed. With the hiphop movement coming into our EDM places and venues such as Crobar altering their formats, do we have any other places to go that stray away from the mass appeal crowd? The success between the years of 99-02 (pre/post guiliani), was due to the underground / lack-of-advertising that was done by these clubs. Pacha with full page ads in Time Out, snypers posting up life-size fliers on any surface that will take it....what happen to PNB Nation, did we give up on rebeling the Post No Bills, the Please don't Advertise? Is nyc thirsty for more commerce? And most of all, is the Economy on an uproar as we are living the high-life these days? It's sad but true...the good times are over. I think the only satisfaction we allow ourselves to have are to nestle somewhere in a discreet location yet fittingly conform to a younger society of irresponsible party-goers. Bring it back underground...please and yes, 25+ parties does sound quite interesting...

I agree with all of you are saying...however i feel ONE of the biggest downfalls to NYC club scene (and many other cities) was the rise of the superstar DJ.

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Originally posted by 4clubber now my solution (and i know a lot of you are not gonna like it cuz its radical) is to simply have "face control" at the doors of clubs. let's not kid ourselves - most of the time you can tell who those 18+ douchebags are, that are just going to show off their new shirts and lame haircuts - just don't let them in! of course you're gonna get a few false positives once in a while, but at this stage i think a lot of TA's (under 25) would agree this is better than the other solution. this way the clubs will control the crowd and vibe, and slowly but surely the general public will either mature or have to find another place to party

Thats how it used to be at Limelight (circa 93) and at 54 in the late 70s....it works.

tiesto,

I think you are right about the superstar status of DJs having a negative effect - that's a problem everywhere, not only in NYC or the USA. What makes this problem even worse here is the species "technus civilians." A typical specimen of theirs is immersed in popular music, or "whatever is cool right now." He thinks he listens to "techno" because he nods his head when they play benny benassi or cascada on the radio, and occasionally he hears and remembers the name of one of the so-called superstar DJs. When that DJ is in town, a whole pack of that species will go there because just like listening to hip-hop and "techno" is cool, going to clubs is cool too, so when you combine those two things, it doesn't get much cooler than that.

The point is, even though a lot of kids may actually be predisposed to like genuine quality EDM and therefore develop a mature taste in music, if only they were exposed to it in the right way, they don't get that chance. One example I can give you right now, from personal experience, is a comparison with the clubbing crowd in Bulgaria, where I am from and go almost every summer. There are several very popular radios there that play predominantly house/trance/other EDM. In their programs, they have their Top 40 of EDM music, even if a lot of it is mainstream. However, they also have regular DJ sets by local talent as well as the occasional foreign big name DJ. This exposes the music to a lot more people, and in a way that it create true EDM followers. If someone over there listen to any EDM, they are usually much more informed about it than the specimen I described above. And the other thing is, there are clubs there that are famous for only Trance, House, or whatever (no flip-flopping like Crobar), and the house clubs get filled with people who are usually house music fanatics ( Club Mania, Sunny Beach ) who know their DJs, Producers, and vynil -> and as I'm sure you know, this makes for an awesome vibe throughout the whole club.

+1 on the 25+ nights

Cheers to the young professional - and, my young 4clubber, I think many of us would prefer to maintain a certain level of dress code (e.g. collared, button-down shirts). I'd much rather have that than some half-witted, steroid juiced, spikey-haired gotti wanna-be walking around with no shirt on. You'll understand someday.

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Originally posted by Dirichlet +1 on the 25+ nights Cheers to the young professional - and, my young 4clubber, I think many of us would prefer to maintain a certain level of dress code (e.g. collared, button-down shirts). I'd much rather have that than some half-witted, steroid juiced, spikey-haired gotti wanna-be walking around with no shirt on.

Yes, of course a certain level of dress code is good. However, your American standards of lame identical collared, button-down shirts does not necessarily equal a good dress code. There could be more freedom in it that allows personal and stylistic expression, and still maintain a club of nicely dressed, good-looking people (i.e.,Club Mania gallery). In my experience, the half-witted, steroid juiced, spikey-haired gotti wanna-bes ARE the ones walking around with the button-down shirts, and it is this association that I make that makes me have a somewhat negative view of the shirts. In fact, I gladly wear those myself in Europe, because there I do not make the association with the gotti Pikachu-hair wanna-bes.

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Originally posted by Dirichlet You'll understand someday.

Please, if you do not know me, do not make reference to what I understand and what I don't. Personally I'd think my experience in living in two continents and frequently traveling and communicating with people from all over the world would make me somewhat qualified. But what do I know... you, my old Dirichlet, are older than me and have more posts on this forum so you are OBVIOUSLY more qualified on this subject. Thank You for your words of wisdom.

I will waste a few more minutes of my valuable time on this thread...

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Originally posted by 4clubber ... your American standards of lame identical collared, button-down shirts does not necessarily equal a good dress code

That's quite the sweeping insult. Perhaps I am not the only one offended by such a statement - apparently all Americans have no style. I must appologize for my ignorance on the teeming fashion mecca that is Bulgaria. Try again.

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Originally posted by 4clubber Please, if you do not know me, do not make reference to what I understand and what I don't. Personally I'd think my experience in living in two continents and frequently traveling and communicating with people from all over the world would make me somewhat qualified. But what do I know... you, my old Dirichlet, are older than me and have more posts on this forum so you are OBVIOUSLY more qualified on this subject. Thank You for your words of wisdom.

I have never questioned your worldliness, as I don't know you. However, you don't know me, know where I've travelled, or who I "communicate" with, and so should follow your own advice. Having travelled (or lived) in another country or on another continent doesn't make you special in any way, nor does it validate you to express the backhanded braggadocio you have shown. That a large number of people on this forum (myself included) have lived in another country is apparently a concept that is beyond you.
Keep on travelin' son. Perhaps upon a solo safari across the wilds of Sulawesi you'll learn when to hold your tongue.
Oh, and for my words of wisdom, you are quite welcome.

I too will waste some more time on you...

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Originally posted by Dirichlet That's quite the sweeping insult. Perhaps I am not the only one offended by such a statement - apparently all Americans have no style. I must appologize for my ignorance on the teeming fashion mecca that is Bulgaria. Try again.

Haha, you are quite right - that WAS meant as a sweeping insult, brought on by my disgust with the stereotypical American. And the club in Bulgaria was only meant as an example of a contrast of NYC clubbers with European ones, as most people in that club are British, German, Scandinavian, and other European visitors on the Black Sea.

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Originally posted by Dirichlet I have never questioned your worldliness, as I don't know you.

Your first post in response to me makes it very clear what your attitude is towards younger people who you do not know.

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Originally posted by Dirichlet However, you don't know me, know where I've travelled, or who I "communicate" with, and so should follow your own advice.

I did not question your experience or anything about you, so in fact I did follow my own advice.

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Originally posted by Dirichlet Having travelled (or lived) in another country or on another continent doesn't make you special in any way

In general, that is very true. In my case, however, it has allowed me to develop many different points of view, and I express my opinion only on things that I know I'm qualified to talk about.

Whatever, this is turning into a pointless argument, and your ego is obviously too great to allow you to stoop down and carry a normal conversation with someone younger than you. You know, in Bulgaria we have a saying that "the wiser one always steps down first," so say whatever you want about me, I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else on this forum, I was just making a contribution.

As Big John McCarthy says

BREAK!

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Originally posted by 4clubber ... your ego is obviously too great to allow you to stoop down and carry a normal conversation with someone younger than you. You know, in Bulgaria we have a saying that "the wiser one always steps down first," so say whatever you want about me, I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else on this forum, I was just making a contribution.

My ego is great - I never claimed that I wasn't an asshole. However, you have yet to prove that I should carry an intelligent conversation with you, as most of your ramblings have been pointless tripe. And, after all, you did insult Americans as a whole - you can't possibly expect me to be kind to you after that. As far as stepping down - the first one to do so is usually the one who gets his neck stepped on, which in your case would be benificial to the human race. I bid you adieu.... go play in traffic.

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Originally posted by Dirichlet benificial

it would also be "benificial" to have a spell-checker on the forum for our native English speakers

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alright, alright, i'm an ass for making this comment, everything else aside

and no offense to "all Americans," I do tend to use the stereotype once in a while though...I'd say the most non-ignorant natives I've met have been in NYC in fact...

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Originally posted by 4clubber it would also be "benificial" to have a spell-checker on the forum for our native English speakers

I agree.


I'm surprised I missed that one. You will, however, never see me screw up the (your/you're)... so many people do it, and it pisses me off to no end...

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Originally posted by Dirichlet I agree. I'm surprised I missed that one. You will, however, never see me screw up the (your/your/you're)... so many people do it, and it pisses me off to no end...

maybe people are just too lazy to hit the ' key

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Originally posted by Dirichlet You will, however, never see me screw up the (your/your/you're)... so many people do it, and it pisses me off to no end...

oh wow, we actually fully agree on something, it pisses me off like nothing else, too...well, its/it's does as well actually

wait, what was this thread about initially anyway?

not to mention there/their/they're....

ok, to get back to the topic of this thread, here's an idea i just thought of, but i don't know how well it would work, so pls give me your feedback:

for the Vic Dinaire afterparty (which is 21+ generally), make a list for NYTA's who are 18+ that they can sign up for. you can then have the names be approved by NYTA's who know them, so that the list of 18+ who get in is controlled. for ex., i might not be approved for the list, but another NYTA who most people know could be approved and get in.

i've only done this once - up in Ithaca where some DJs from my college's Electronic Music Collective group got booked at a local club which is 21+, but we worked out a deal to have a list with the names of like 5-10 18+ people (mostly from the EMC) who could get in too

i know it depends alot on the venue, and who controls the door, but what do you guys think?

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Originally posted by 4clubber ok, to get back to the topic of this thread, here's an idea i just thought of, but i don't know how well it would work, so pls give me your feedback: for the Vic Dinaire afterparty (which is 21+ generally), make a list for NYTA's who are 18+ that they can sign up for. you can then have the names be approved by NYTA's who know them, so that the list of 18+ who get in is controlled. for ex., i might not be approved for the list, but another NYTA who most people know could be approved and get in. i've only done this once - up in Ithaca where some DJs from my college's Electronic Music Collective group got booked at a local club which is 21+, but we worked out a deal to have a list with the names of like 5-10 18+ people (mostly from the EMC) who could get in too i know it depends alot on the venue, and who controls the door, but what do you guys think?

the penalties the establishment face for allowing underaged drinking in manhattan heavily outweight the amount of money the establishment will make from those 18+'ers who they'll let in. won't happen

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Originally posted by kid nyce the penalties the establishment face for allowing underaged drinking in manhattan heavily outweight the amount of money the establishment will make from those 18+'ers who they'll let in. won't happen

ok well i forgot to mention the 18+ers would be marked, as they do in a lot of clubs, so they cannot order drinks...would that work?

hey guys i'm pretty sure this thread is about the after-parties, not whatever you guys are bitchin at each other about.

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Originally posted by punjabi hey guys i'm pretty sure this thread is about the after-parties, not whatever you guys are bitchin at each other about.

get with the times man, the bitchin was yesterday, today is all about thinking of ways to get yo' 18+ ass into a good afterparty

Well the thinking is long done...I bought my Sander tickets days ago.

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