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Originally posted by beefy k I'll refine my question and ask: Do you think that one day electronica will be dominated by bullshit like Rap and R&B has or will it predominately continue to be about the music? Will 16 year olds start dressing like djs and and buying decks and never use them?

Arguably, there are enough of the 'old-skool' kids who are claiming that is the case right now, with electronica becomming more commercialized.

Personally, so long as it helps the scene grow, I don't see the harm, it helps us all.

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Originally posted by beefy k Will 16 year olds start dressing like djs and and buying decks and never use them?

How do DJs dress???



also, decks are roughly 1000 bucks a piece, not to mention you still need a mixer and records, I don't see too many 16 year-olds dropping that kind of cash just to imitate PVD.

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Originally posted by Sasha OMG EVERYONE IS AGREEING WITH COSMIC FUR

fucking right! I'm putting this thing in my sig, lol.

The world is going to end tomorrow.

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Originally posted by beefy k because i love music. bottom line.

And in the end so do these "kids" that end up going out to these edm events.

I started partying in 1996, the first party I went to was called e-party. SOS and Marty McFly as well as others put on this small party in an warehouse somewhere. The only reason that I even went to this party on a Friday night in October was because all of my friends were going. And holy f*uck am I thnkful I went with them. Before going to this party I had no idea with electronica music really sounded like, after that night I coulnd't get enough. Almost 6 years later not only have gone to some of the greatest parties, experienced some of the greatest times of my life, but I have met some amazing people.

The people that are new to the electronica scene are just going to these big parties, where these well known DJs are playing because their friends are going out or because they have heard the music and have "fallen" in love with it. There is no reason why we should look at this as a bad thing.

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Originally posted by zokissima Arguably, there are enough of the 'old-skool' kids who are claiming that is the case right now, with electronica becomming more commercialized. Personally, so long as it helps the scene grow, I don't see the harm, it helps us all.

dance music in north america, particularly in toronto has become LESS commercialized in the last 5 years.

Nothing beats the 90s as far as commerical dance music is concerned.

I still love Daft Punk and Prodigy, is that commercial by your books?
In that case, how could you argue against it?

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Strongly, STRONGLY disagree. Eliticism kills the scene, acceptance helps it grow.

Acceptance can also ruin the scene and take it places where the true lovers of the music don't want it to go.

There is also a huge difference between being mainstream music and being commercialized. In europe it is mainstream.......but there is a different appreciation for the music. In North America it is commercialized....a DJ or track will be big for a short period of time and everyone will love it and then the next thing you know....poof....you never hear from that DJ, Band, Singer, whoever again.

I have no problem with new people being introduced to the scene wether it be through friends or through Z103.5.....but listening to Tiesto is no being introduced to the scene nor is it being a part of the scene. I bet at least 50% of the people in Niagara Falls to see Tiesto couldn't name 10 DJs that spin EDM. Its those people that allow this to become a commercial music and ultimately will have the biggest say because they will buy every album and create the popularity for that sound.....other DJs will follow because they see how much money the likes of Tiesto, Armin and PVD make. This has happened with Rock Music, Punk Music and pretty much any form of music that a younger generation is listening too.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced but listening to Tiesto is no being introduced to the scene nor is it being a part of the scene.

I beg to differ. You know what introduced me to the scene? fucking Darude. Possibly the most commercialized track ever.

Just because a newbie is not head over heels over D. Howells right away, doesn't mean they never will. They'll go to one Tiesto party, then maybe another, Tiesto will be spinning alongside someone else, and they'll find out about that DJ, or even they'll go and see an album with a Tiesto song in it, and grab it, and find out about all these other producers.

Tiesto, Armin, they're all stepping stones into the scene. And that is why they're so important regardless of how "cheesy" you find them to be.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur I beg to differ. You know what introduced me to the scene? fucking Darude. Possibly the most commercialized track ever. Just because a newbie is not head over heels over D. Howells right away, doesn't mean they never will. They'll go to one Tiesto party, then maybe another, Tiesto will be spinning alongside someone else, and they'll find out about that DJ, or even they'll go and see an album with a Tiesto song in it, and grab it, and find out about all these other producers. Tiesto, Armin, they're all stepping stones into the scene. And that is why they're so important regardless of how "cheesy" you find them to be.

you are right....for a portion of the people that will take the time and effort to look into other artists/DJs I have no problem with....but the ones who only know the DJs who they hear on the radio unfortunately hold the future for music...these are the ones that create the commercialization of music in North America....these are the people who will ultimately have the say in changing what the money hungry, fame loving DJs will spin. Reality is....it is both the DJs and the listeners that cause this commercialization.

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Originally posted by evil_cookie music is a point of view, just because you don't agree with other peoples perception on music; it doesen't give you the right to lable them wrong. you generalize too much from a narrow perspective

i like lots of genres. its not that.

i went on a tangent for a bit there.

Most people don't even acknowledge most of electronica as music but NOISE. Its the people that really appreciate it that make it grow. not the people that you bring and just put up with it.

fuck it. i don't even know what i'm saying anymore. but keep replying i liket this.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur I beg to differ. You know what introduced me to the scene? fucking Darude. Possibly the most commercialized track ever. Just because a newbie is not head over heels over D. Howells right away, doesn't mean they never will. They'll go to one Tiesto party, then maybe another, Tiesto will be spinning alongside someone else, and they'll find out about that DJ, or even they'll go and see an album with a Tiesto song in it, and grab it, and find out about all these other producers. Tiesto, Armin, they're all stepping stones into the scene. And that is why they're so important regardless of how "cheesy" you find them to be.

Thast how i progressed. But the thing i think that links all of us is our high level of appreciation of music as i mentioned before. That is why i kept learning more about this music. Most people never get goosebumps and feel that slight high when they hear a particular song.

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Originally posted by beefy k Most people never get goosebumps and feel that slight high when they hear a particular song.

How do you know that???

Do you understand how many people there are that have such a love for the music but don't sit on the boards and talk about. They go out and feel the same way about a song or a dj that someone who does post on the boards would feel.

No, there are the 2% of commercial songs that are good. Statistics requires this, similar to the concept of "a blind chicken finds a grain once in a while". So my answer is: not all commercial electronica is bad.

It can be a bad thing when a particular type of music is judged before any proper "exploration". Without "exploration" people are ignorant to the whole scene. The ignorance is not a problem: the problem lies in the fact that these people do not recognize/acknowledge their own ignorance... they think they know everything there is to know.

That's my opinion anyways...

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Originally posted by TJB How do you know that??? Do you understand how many people there are that have such a love for the music but don't sit on the boards and talk about. They go out and feel the same way about a song or a dj that someone who does post on the boards would feel.

I just got a hunch.

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Originally posted by starsearcher Hey beefy....there's a guy in your avatar pic wearing Tiesto's lable T-shirt And I don't mind electronica growing...last few days my alarm clock went off with "This is not MIAMI"...and I fuckin' freaked...I mean how sweet is that...what a great tune to wake up to. I wear a Tiesto shirt to Tiesto because I'm a really big Tiesto fan - and what's wrong with being a Tiesto fan? Or a PVD fan? Or an Armin fan? What's wrong with the DJs making lots of $$? Many of them earned it...hell they shoveled shit for it so let them have some fun.

Dude. Chillout. I love how its spreading too. I heard tracking treasure down on z103. i mean, its an ok track, but its nice to hear that they are picking some decent shit. It just pisses me off when they play the shittiest of shit electronic tunes on the radio when they have SOOOO many choices of good new tunes that the listeners would enjoy right away. TTD is a good one and i bet we could name a million more.

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Originally posted by beefy k I just got a hunch.

oh, alright.

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Originally posted by beefy k It just pisses me off when they play the shittiest of shit electronic tunes on the radio when they have SOOOO many choices of good new tunes that the listeners would enjoy right away.

dude, how can you possibly assume people like your taste in music?
another hunch?

this thread is going nowhere.

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Originally posted by beefy k just pisses me off when they play the shittiest of shit electronic tunes on the radio when they have SOOOO many choices of good new tunes that the listeners would enjoy right away.

But what you may think is shit is awesome to someone else. I personally like waking up in the morning to World Hold On, or Crazy, or Love Generation on z103. Others would probably hate it. Its all personal preference.

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Originally posted by starsearcher I wear a Tiesto shirt to Tiesto because I'm a really big Tiesto fan - and what's wrong with being a Tiesto fan? Or a PVD fan? Or an Armin fan?

There is no problem in being a fan of Tiesto but to wear a tiesto shirt to a tiesto event is wrong....don't be that guy...its like wearing the shirt of the rock band you are going to see....its just sooooo wrong ......now to wear a tiesto shirt to an Armin event....that would be fine.

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Originally posted by evil_cookie oh, alright. dude, how can you possibly assume people like your taste in music? another hunch? this thread is going nowhere.

OK this might piss you off but i'm going to throw it out there anyways (and i'm not speaking about myself here, its just a theory i beleive and explains why some music is more enjoyable than other music):

Some people are better at interpreting music than others. There is such a thing as better music. Some music better matches the average human biogical structure than other music, getting a more tuned response from the body. Obviously, no 2 people are the same.

(This thread has taken a turn to the theory of music now)


And guys, don't feel as though i'm trying to preach here. I just noticed how meaningful music discussions are sort of on a decline in the forum.

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Originally posted by TJB But what you may think is shit is awesome to someone else. I personally like waking up in the morning to World Hold On, or Crazy, or Love Generation on z103. Others would probably hate it. Its all personal preference.

i haven't come across a single individual that doesn't like love generation or world, hold on. including my 58 year old right wing father

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Originally posted by beefy k i haven't come across a single individual that doesn't like love generation or world, hold on. including my 58 year old right wing father

Well I have come across a few.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced There is no problem in being a fan of Tiesto but to wear a tiesto shirt to a tiesto event is wrong....don't be that guy...its like wearing the shirt of the rock band you are going to see....its just sooooo wrong ......now to wear a tiesto shirt to an Armin event....that would be fine.

lol rules rules rules and who made them up????

Im confused here, your aguing how you have better taste in music then others, and they should like your music by saying.

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Originally posted by beefy k Some people are better at interpreting music than others. There is such a thing as better music. Some music better matches the average human biogical structure than other music, getting a more tuned response from the body. Obviously, no 2 people are the same.

But even you state afterwards that no two people are the same, voiding your argument?

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced ...now to wear a tiesto shirt to an Armin event....that would be fine.

now THAT would be true rockstar style!!!

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