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Originally posted by stevebutabi it's funny... when spirit opened up it was supposed to be this well-being-inspired, holistic place. obviously that wasn't going to make any money in the nyc nightlife arena, but it has been interesting to see the absolute 180 that the place has taken.

the press photos of the place when it first opened up were gorgeous...

it COULD have made money but they probably did not promote it to the right demographic~ wasnt it supposed to be a restaurant also? i mean, high-end restaurants, spas, they open up and fluorish all the time in NYC~ maybe operating costs just got TOO high so they had to resort back to it being a club...but they HAD to know what that would attract...

in the beginning i never even thought that it would revert back to being a nightclub...

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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 it's also the cops faults for letting young girls wonder around alone like that in the fuckin city after certain hours not to mention that towing cars doesn't help either, these cops are also held accountable for the peoples actions! .

and again...the root of the problem occurred cuz of (UNDERAGE) drinking...do ppl notice that its more often ALCOHOL that is at the root of all evil, not substances that ppl are taking?! alcohol causes more reported fights, incidents than other things combined?!

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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 it's also the cops faults for letting young girls wonder around alone like that in the fuckin city after certain hours not to mention that towing cars doesn't help either, these cops are also held accountable for the peoples actions!

You've got to be kidding me. You're complaining that one, they towed an illegally parked car, two, the girls should have been able to drive drunk back home to Jersey, and three, that girls shouldn't be allowed to walk around at night (aka curfew in NYC ).

The cops aren't to blame for this and Guest House isn't to blame. The only person to blame is the scumbag and his girlfriend who raped and killed her. Second to blame are the girls themselves. They should have known better. They broke countless laws, and would have broken more if their car wasn't towed, endangering the lives of others. The attendants at the towyard wouldn't return their car for a reason. If they'd let those two wasted girls take a car, they'd have been in deep shit if they were pulled over later or if they got into an accident later, which was a lot more likely than one getting raped and killed. What they should have done is taken a cab home like a good drunk and gotten their car in the morning.

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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 I also really do think that its sad that these cops are cracking down on every single of these fuckin clubs,its getting really stupid and out of control! it seems as though they want to shut down every single of these clubs, and yea ok people do drugs, some people are underage, at the clubs thats just part of the nightlife and thats the reality of it! its everywhere around the world, they need to get a fuckin clue and understand that if they decide to have clubs around here this is how it is.

They have gotten the clue and realize what goes on inside. As a result, they've decided that they don't want to have those clubs around and are closing places

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy What was the music format last night?

I don't if you've found out yet but yea it was hip hop/reggae/reggaeton.

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Originally posted by phoenixBEBE and again...the root of the problem occurred cuz of (UNDERAGE) drinking...do ppl notice that its more often ALCOHOL that is at the root of all evil, not substances that ppl are taking?! alcohol causes more reported fights, incidents than other things combined?!

Um....yeah. Alcohol is the problem and everyone taking X and K is the solution. The substances aren't the problem, it's the users.

Also, did you neglect to include coke, speed, meth, and steroid buildup in your pool of substances, because with their inclusion, your argument about substances causing less fights is out the window. The fobs who started a fight with me at Hawtin were not drunk, and I doubt the ones who stabbed people at PvD were drunk either. To be honest, I hardly ever see fobs drinking, yet they tend to start half of the fights I've seen when I'm out (granted, I usually don't go out for guido nights, but I'm sure a lot of those fights are steroid and coke fueled).

why is NYC so cursed with clubs??? o well i guess it was just a matter of time....

too bad for made tho, i like spirit much better then pacha

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Originally posted by PvDoBseSSioN why is NYC so cursed with clubs??? o well i guess it was just a matter of time.... too bad for made tho, i like spirit much better then pacha

It already looked like Made had pulled out of Spirit and moved to Pacha before all of this started. I think Tsunami had already jumped shit to Pacha, too. Like I said earlier, it seems like Spirit was doing much EDM anymore.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Like I said earlier, it seems like Spirit was doing much EDM anymore.

yeah i know, mostly because less and less people were going to those nights it seems like... and we all know hip hop is huge (but it sux)

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy The cops aren't to blame for this and Guest House isn't to blame. The only person to blame is the scumbag and his girlfriend who raped and killed her. Second to blame are the girls themselves. They should have known better. They broke countless laws, and would have broken more if their car wasn't towed, endangering the lives of others. The attendants at the towyard wouldn't return their car for a reason. If they'd let those two wasted girls take a car, they'd have been in deep shit if they were pulled over later or if they got into an accident later, which was a lot more likely than one getting raped and killed. What they should have done is taken a cab home like a good drunk and gotten their car in the morning.

Fact is - it is the CLUBS responsibility to not allow anyone under the age of 21 into their clubs, and if it was an 18+ night it is again the CLUBS responsibility to not serve a minor. Those are standards one must abide by in order to obtain and keep a alchohol license....they failed...and their failure ultimatly caused the death of that girl.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Fact is - it is the CLUBS responsibility to not allow anyone under the age of 21 into their clubs, and if it was an 18+ night it is again the CLUBS responsibility to not serve a minor. Those are standards one must abide by in order to obtain and keep a alchohol license....they failed...and their failure ultimatly caused the death of that girl.

You're right, she wasn't supposed to be inside. Whether she had a good fake ID, I don't know, but I'm really tired of everyone trying to blame the club. Her parents will sue them for millions potentially putting them out of business because someone, not the actual owner of the club, let her in. They'll probably get more punishment than the actual killers will.

You're trying to hold the entire club liable for something done by an employee. For all the posting you used to do in PDD, I'd think you'd understand that sometimes employees act counter the way they're supposed to. Think of our military in Abu Gharib, are they all to blame because a few of them tortured and abused prisoners?

I definitely don't hold Guest House as one of the most important actors in the death of this girl, but they're sure going to pay like they were the worst.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy You're right, she wasn't supposed to be inside. Whether she had a good fake ID, I don't know, but I'm really tired of everyone trying to blame the club. Her parents will sue them for millions potentially putting them out of business because someone, not the actual owner of the club, let her in. They'll probably get more punishment than the actual killers will. You're trying to hold the entire club liable for something done by an employee. For all the posting you used to do in PDD, I'd think you'd understand that sometimes employees act counter the way they're supposed to. Think of our military in Abu Gharib, are they all to blame because a few of them tortured and abused prisoners? I definitely don't hold Guest House as one of the most important actors in the death of this girl, but they're sure going to pay like they were the worst.

I agree, and as the holder of a fake ID that I have been using for the past year, - and this may sound glib - if that happened to me, I wouldn't blame the club for letting me in just cause I look like the girl on the ID.

Also, tiesto14, think about what you would have said if the girl had been 21 and legally in. Whose fault would it have been then? Hers? It doesn't matter what age she was, what matters is that she put herself at risk and she got killed - oh, and most importantly, getting murdered is not her fault in any way even if she put herself at risk.

It seems like just yesterday i was reading the post about Spirit getting shut down for a gun shooting.

What do you mean people were getting stabbed at PVD? I didnt hear anything about it....did anybody get seriously hurt?

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy You've got to be kidding me. You're complaining that one, they towed an illegally parked car, two, the girls should have been able to drive drunk back home to Jersey, and three, that girls shouldn't be allowed to walk around at night (aka curfew in NYC ). The cops aren't to blame for this and Guest House isn't to blame. The only person to blame is the scumbag and his girlfriend who raped and killed her. Second to blame are the girls themselves. They should have known better. They broke countless laws, and would have broken more if their car wasn't towed, endangering the lives of others. The attendants at the towyard wouldn't return their car for a reason. If they'd let those two wasted girls take a car, they'd have been in deep shit if they were pulled over later or if they got into an accident later, which was a lot more likely than one getting raped and killed. What they should have done is taken a cab home like a good drunk and gotten their car in the morning. They have gotten the clue and realize what goes on inside. As a result, they've decided that they don't want to have those clubs around and are closing places

first off, what i was trying to say was that if one of them was sober she could have taken the keys and driven them home but since they towe peoples cars that makes things much more difficult, i didnt know all of them were drunk (i dunno the whole story to this) so in that case i agree they should have played it safe and gotten a cab.

second those gurls arn't to blame they just wanted to have fun like any of us do, and you'd be a hypocrite to think otherwise because we all used Fake id's at one point or another in our life. This wouldn't have happened if it wernt for all the rules,laws and regulations you have to follow in the states.

So if they have gotten the clue, why don't they shutdown every single clubs,bars,pubs in the city while there at it?? because as far as you know the people on the next block are poppin pills,doin and sellin drugs, im sorry but this is NYC you can't have control on everything that people are fuckin doin, unless of course this has become a total dictatorship....

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Originally posted by BigMike It seems like just yesterday i was reading the post about Spirit getting shut down for a gun shooting. What do you mean people were getting stabbed at PVD? I didnt hear anything about it....did anybody get seriously hurt?

When was their a shooting at Spirit? There was one at Crobar a few months ago.

Also, when I commented about the PvD stabbing, I stupidly assumed that people knew that I was talking about New Year's Eve less than 2 years ago.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Also, when I commented about the PvD stabbing, I stupidly assumed that people knew that I was talking about New Year's Eve less than 2 years ago.

i knew what u were talking about don't worry

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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 first off, what i was trying to say was that if one of them was sober she could have taken the keys and driven them home but since they towe peoples cars that makes things much more difficult, i didnt know all of them were drunk (i dunno the whole story to this) so in that case i agree they should have played it safe and gotten a cab. second those gurls arn't to blame they just wanted to have fun like any of us do, and you'd be a hypocrite to think otherwise because we all used Fake id's at one point or another in our life. This wouldn't have happened if it wernt for all the rules,laws and regulations you have to follow in the states. So if they have gotten the clue, why don't they shutdown every single clubs,bars,pubs in the city while there at it?? because as far as you know the people on the next block are poppin pills,doin and sellin drugs, im sorry but this is NYC you can't have control on everything that people are fuckin doin, unless of course this has become a total dictatorship....

First, read news, then comment on issues relating to the news. Arguing with the uninformed is a real pet peeve of mine.

Second, those girls are to blame right after the guy who killed the one. I wasn't arguing that they were to blame because they were underage. I was arguing that they were to blame because they showed no personal responsibility for themselves. They drove into the city fully prepared to go to a club and get falling down drunk. Their plan to get home was to drive home, which is why there was such drama when it was towed. Her getting killed had nothing to do with age. I'd have the same opinion if it were two 24 year-olds, the only difference is that two 24 year-olds would be less likely to do something so stupid because in the additional 6 years, they'd probably seen a few people screw up enough times.

Third, they are targeting all clubs in that area. I heard that Crobar was shut down early last night, as well as a few other places. This girl's murder wasn't the sole reason why they're cracking down. The precinct of the city is one of the few places where crime has increased in the past few years. There's been a ton of assaults and grand larceny complaints filed, too. Just watch, in that section of the city, this isn't the last closing we're going to see in the near future.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy First, read news, then comment on issues relating to the news. Arguing with the uninformed is a real pet peeve of mine. Second, those girls are to blame right after the guy who killed the one. I wasn't arguing that they were to blame because they were underage. I was arguing that they were to blame because they showed no personal responsibility for themselves. They drove into the city fully prepared to go to a club and get falling down drunk. Their plan to get home was to drive home, which is why there was such drama when it was towed. Her getting killed had nothing to do with age. I'd have the same opinion if it were two 24 year-olds, the only difference is that two 24 year-olds would be less likely to do something so stupid because in the additional 6 years, they'd probably seen a few people screw up enough times.

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Court Date is wednesday morning...Hip hop is what causes the drama. However, it's those nights that make the most money..I herd some celebs drop like $10,000 on a table for drinks and stuff..Really crazy

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Second, those girls are to blame right after the guy who killed the one. I wasn't arguing that they were to blame because they were underage. I was arguing that they were to blame because they showed no personal responsibility for themselves. They drove into the city fully prepared to go to a club and get falling down drunk. Their plan to get home was to drive home, which is why there was such drama when it was towed. Her getting killed had nothing to do with age. I'd have the same opinion if it were two 24 year-olds, the only difference is that two 24 year-olds would be less likely to do something so stupid because in the additional 6 years, they'd probably seen a few people screw up enough times.

well in that case i do agree with you





"Hip hop is what causes the drama. However, it's those nights that make the most money..I herd some celebs drop like $10,000 on a table for drinks and stuff..Really crazy"


yea thats true, i still listen to real Hip Hop but not the commercial crap they put out these days, and i don't even consider it Hip Hop its just plain garbage, anyone can rap about cars,rims,cash, hoe's, its very sad to see a movement completely die out like this...

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Originally posted by phoenixBEBE the press photos of the place when it first opened up were gorgeous... it COULD have made money but they probably did not promote it to the right demographic~ wasnt it supposed to be a restaurant also? i mean, high-end restaurants, spas, they open up and fluorish all the time in NYC~ maybe operating costs just got TOO high so they had to resort back to it being a club...but they HAD to know what that would attract... in the beginning i never even thought that it would revert back to being a nightclub... and again...the root of the problem occurred cuz of (UNDERAGE) drinking...do ppl notice that its more often ALCOHOL that is at the root of all evil, not substances that ppl are taking?! alcohol causes more reported fights, incidents than other things combined?!

alcohol is the worst drug of them all ... well its up their

Again

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Originally posted by seriot alcohol is the worst drug of them all ... well its up their

this report, and the link on the right side to a PDF put it best..

http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=2693

basically.. they ranked drugs on harmful effects.. alcohol and smoking came out worse than ecstacy and pot.. strange world we live in..

Sorry for the loss of club life in NYC. Come to Montreal. Everything is pretty much hunky dory here...

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