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Labour have turned into a load of Liberals as far as I'm concerned lack their traditional left wing roots.

Get a good right wing government in sort out this country, first off we need a decent immigration system something which looks more at the UK's needs something which will benefit this country get in people where we have gaps in our employment market.

All this being soft on people shit really pisses me off, I would send knocking squads into every trouble spot in this country, give every single group of people up for a fight a fucking good hiding, none of this ASBO anti dispersal order stuff.

Also another thing with policing Community Support Officers?!?! WTF is their role? Stop petty crime I'm sorry if I was younger and commiting a crime and one of them come over to me I'd tell them where to go, armed with a flashlight too pathetic!

Most Police people these days got bullied at school or suffer from a severe case of Napoleon syndrome. The whole force needs a restructure
it needs an investigational unit and a knocking/nutting squad recruited out of military units people who can handle themselves.

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ I'm not pro-labour or pro anyone in particular, but Gordon Brown's been a darn good Chancellor and he should stay there.

i thin that's largely because of the foundations that the Conservative governement left, but he did have a bit of inspiration leaving the bank of england to set interest rates. That was a great idea

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Originally posted by slinkyhead i thin that's largely because of the foundations that the Conservative governement left, but he did have a bit of inspiration leaving the bank of england to set interest rates. That was a great idea

the conservatives were awful, so many of our problems stem from shit they started which they now refute.

Gordon brown might be a good number 2, but could he have the respect of everyone (public that is) to run the country? I doubt it.

let's face it, 1997-2001, we were on the up, blair was doing a great job, and the country was thriving. then 9/11 happened. Blair changed from running this country to doing what america advise him to do. Sadly that happens at a time when gw bush is in charge and we all know what he's like. what can we do? Do any of us actually believe that things will change re. europe, the mass immigration, the eu itself, pikey little ****s, annoying inconsiderate middle aged people etc?

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Originally posted by Coup depends on your definition of good. hes excellent at shadow games. tweaking the rules, moving this, moving that, hiding that under the carpet etc. to give an example, when Rail Track when bankrupt, Network Rail took charge of the rail network only on the understanding that the state secured the debt of what Rail Track incured. Brown agreed to this and the state secured the debt - yet that debt is not included on the money the state owes. why? because it'd break browns golden rule of not borrowing more than he can repay over a cycle. Yes hes kept us ticking over, but don't believe it wasn't done by playing with the rules.

I don't care how many rules he has to change to make sure we don't get another 'Black Wednesday'. After early 90 - mid 90's, I don't trust the Tories as far as I could throw them. Even if Cameron appears to be sensible. The economy under Brown has been fantastic, and long may it continue.

I was pro-Blair until post 9/11, and since then, I think he's all about spin as are all of the parties. I dislike UK politics alot at the momeent.

I'm pro-immigration if either A) people are GEUINELY fleeing persecution (I think this should be vetted by Amnesty or something) or B) if they are skilled labourers. I'd rather pay for an immigrant doctor than some graffiti-ing(sp?) chav twat in S****horpe.

And on a side-note, I think the Daily Mail should be banned. Permanently.

We're in need of a Conservative government to re-dress the balance now. The country needs a change every now and again. Both parties have biases to different types of policy and if one of them gets in for too long they get complacent and it all goes to shit. Inheritance tax was the last straw for me, the idea that the goverment can tax people again for stuff their loved ones have already paid tax on is insane.

Labour is now taxing us to death on everything and its got to stop. We're paying off idiots who refuse to get jobs ever with state benefits , and taxing hard workers to death for it and don't get me started on the way they're just pissing money into the wind with the NHS. Its not always how much u spend its how u spend and Labour don't have a clue. Another thing is that the idea of having Gordon Brown who is essentially a money counter run the country really makes my piss boil.

Other than the fuckup that is iraq, the guy has had a pretty good run over the last 10 years.

Like the idea of Cameron at the next election though, seems pretty liberal and open minded.

Re: When will he go? the Tony Blair saga

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Originally posted by Coup big fucking yawn. talk about dragging something out. i won't be voting labour next time.

yeah cos David Cameron is well capable of running this country
so fucking fickle, does noone remember how shit it was under the conservatives?

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Originally posted by zag2me Like the idea of Cameron at the next election though, seems pretty liberal and open minded.

he's an idiot who stands for nothing but vote grabbing any way he can. If he gets in we truly are a nation of idiots.

Az having worked for the government for 18 months i've seen first hand how shambolic and inefficient things are being run, and how labours 'target' system is strangling services and resulting in half arsed products just to meet these 'targets'.

I'd rather the Tory's had another go than just sit back and let Labour carry on fucking about. A poll on the news stated 50% of this country thinks it was better to live here 20 years ago than now.

oh, and Thatcher doesn't run the Tory's anymore.

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Originally posted by Coup Az having worked for the government for 18 months i've seen first hand how shambolic and inefficient things are being run, and how labours 'target' system is strangling services and resulting in half arsed products just to meet these 'targets'. I'd rather the Tory's had another go than just sit back and let Labour carry on fucking about. A poll on the news stated 50% of this country thinks it was better to live here 20 years ago than now. oh, and Thatcher doesn't run the Tory's anymore.

coup, while labour right now isn't working well, why do people see the tories as the only other alternative? there's other parties, but I don't see any of them at all who i'd be happy running this country.

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Originally posted by gibbo We're in need of a Conservative government to re-dress the balance now. The country needs a change every now and again. Both parties have biases to different types of policy and if one of them gets in for too long they get complacent and it all goes to shit.

exactly my thoughts... saying things like "does noone remember how shit it was under the conservatives?" is pretty redundant considering how much things change over the years. while cameron may not be the best potential leader on the planet, it would at least fix current problems before creating new ones if they won back power again

edit - when i say fix i mean address, to be more accurate

Labour = Welfare State, all these fucking skanks you see on the streets these days are down to Labours Nanny State Politics from the 60's & 70's. Fucking scroungers.

Most young people who whinge on about the tories take their parents views, they were just about itching in their Dad's pants when Thatcher was incharge, and too young to remember Major (Who was a shit Prime Minister).

A load of my mates are Labour supporters, majority of my family are, I have this debate with them just about every day.

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